Phil Giles Transfer Summer 2020 Window Update (1 Viewer)

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Straight and informative... particularly in the light of so much fake news!
 

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Really good and interesting interview with Phil as always. He's a smooth operator :cool:
 

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So, PG says we weren't in for any other positions other than the ones we brought in? Did we actually bid for Bannan then?
 

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tbf .. I don’t think Phil Giles would let on to everything that happened in the window ie a failed bid for Bannan and I don’t think it would be professional to slag off West Ham but this “question mark” raised in the medical still sounds a bit dodgy?
Yes - there was still an 'if he remains there' when responding to the point about two record transfer fees out. tbh - he can't say much else, as that's how it is; the medical needs further follow up and no more money will come in unless WHU are happy with that. He did say he doesn't expect a problem, but again, what else could he say.
 

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I sort-of got the impression that the 'medical issue' was not one that directly affected his playing ability but that it may be something else and that something else could be treated/sorted quite quickly.
 

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I remember thinking when he first joined along with Rasmus how diffident and unsure of himself he seemed. Well, he certainly doesn't seem that way now.
Exactly my reaction to watching the interview. You could so imagine him sitting down with the porn pair and being completely unruffled when they started their malarkey ;)
 

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Only watched the twitter clip. He appeared to say Benrahma has further medicals in the next week or two for the "issue". What happens if there is still said "issue"?
 

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Only watched the twitter clip. He appeared to say Benrahma has further medicals in the next week or two for the "issue". What happens if there is still said "issue"?
Presumably they can either send him back after a year or renegotiate the deal but it seems unlikely.
 

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Well, I got the impression that he was open, informative and explained medical confidentiality, as a concept and a requirement, perfectly. I find that the slightest intimation that he was hiding anything, quite bewildering. I might even look at the interview again to see if I missed anything that made others draw different conclusions, but I do have other things to do.
My opinion doesn’t change even if we actually had made a serious bid for Bannan.
 

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Well, I got the impression that he was open, informative and explained medical confidentiality, as a concept and a requirement, perfectly. I find that the slightest intimation that he was hiding anything, quite bewildering. I might even look at the interview again to see if I missed anything that made others draw different conclusions, but I do have other things to do.
My opinion doesn’t change even if we actually had made a serious bid for Bannan.
yes shows how strategic, clinical and detail orientated we are with regards to building the squad and team. Focussed on ensuring we have two players for every position that can legitimately challenge for a first team spot , moving on those who couldnt achieve that level and allowing players that we see as prospects go on loan to build up experience (Zamburek, oksanen and Racic).

hopefully given the nature of this season and the demands it will have on every club’s squads this will serve us well over course if the season by able to rotate players without seriously weakening the team.
 

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Moving those on who were getting frustrated at lack of gametime, and bringing in squad players that won't mind that yet isn't bad business 😉 A good interview, although didn't reveal too much that we weren't aware of. It's good to see that calmness at the top of our club though. If those who comment a lot on social media were in charge it would be an absolute circus.
 

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Only watched the twitter clip. He appeared to say Benrahma has further medicals in the next week or two for the "issue". What happens if there is still said "issue"?
He will keep receiving treatment but a fungal nail infection is only a minor hinderance to a pro footballer
 

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Very informative and good interview; got across the club business/thinking well. We have the best Directors of football in the country. I would expect someone in his role to have some diplomacy and a political mind if there was an issue with an another club/player etc; in this case we'll never know if we're 100% happy behind the scenes.

I still think it's strange West Ham left it so late and whilst Giles is confident there isn't a a major issue and hopefully for the player there isn't; as we stand tests are required which means there is the possibility of something West Ham could use to back out. After the interview I understood the "agreement in place" because that's what it is on currently. If West Ham claim they're not 100% happy with the tests they can keep the player for a year; and send him back but hopefully it doesn't come to that. Good luck to Said and we move on for now..
 

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Very informative and good interview; got across the club business/thinking well. We have the best Directors of football in the country. I would expect someone in his role to have some diplomacy and a political mind if there was an issue with an another club/player etc; in this case we'll never know if we're 100% happy behind the scenes.

I still think it's strange West Ham left it so late and whilst Giles is confident there isn't a a major issue and hopefully for the player there isn't; as we stand tests are required which means there is the possibility of something West Ham could use to back out. After the interview I understood the "agreement in place" because that's what it is on currently. If West Ham claim they're not 100% happy with the tests they can keep the player for a year; and send him back but hopefully it doesn't come to that. Good luck to Said and we move on for now..
PG operated the best he could considering how late the deal happened .WUFC had weeks to get this sorted , you can assume why they left it so late................
 

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I still think it's strange West Ham left it so late and whilst Giles is confident there isn't a a major issue and hopefully for the player there isn't; as we stand tests are required which means there is the possibility of something West Ham could use to back out.
I think that's the point many are missing (but not lost on WHU fans). It was a deliberate ploy by WHU to leave it so late so that they can unearth things like medical anomalies and use it as a lever to push things through, leaving the purchasing club little room for manoeuvre. Nothing strange about it - very deliberate and calculated from a club with a reputation for dicking clubs about in transfers imo.
 

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I think that's the point many are missing (but not lost on WHU fans). It was a deliberate ploy by WHU to leave it so late so that they can unearth things like medical anomalies and use it as a lever to push things through, leaving the purchasing club little room for manoeuvre. Nothing strange about it - very deliberate and calculated from a club with a reputation for dicking clubs about in transfers imo.
I don’t believe that all!!

Saïd was away on international duty. If he wasn’t, things would’ve happened earlier in the week. This anomaly would’ve then been cleared up. I expect the obligation to buy is taken up in January.

A conspiracy theory being made out of nothing.
 

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Still five million squids and ownership of Said, even if they don’t play him. His wages for a year, will be eye-watering. He is an international player. If Moyes doesn’t fancy him, tough, but not as bad as a serious injury. That’s just assuming the worst. It probably won’t happen.
My only doubt is that WHU hardly have a reputation to protect at that level.
 

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I don’t believe that all!!

Saïd was away on international duty. If he wasn’t, things would’ve happened earlier in the week. This anomaly would’ve then been cleared up. I expect the obligation to buy is taken up in January.

A conspiracy theory being made out of nothing.
Suppose it's a wait and see game. I don't think there is an obligation to buy; it doesn't appear to be the same deal as Ryan Woods a few years back when Stoke geniunely came in late and ran out of time; that permanent deal was to automatically happen on the 1st Jan.

The SB deal with West Ham seems to have a few hoops to get over before the two clubs complete an agreed permanent deal. Even after the Giles interview I got the impression a deal is agreed in principle but all depends on West Ham's reading of further medical assessments; they have concerns and can decide at any time to interpret the results how they like.

Hopefully it works out but in my opinion this is as close to a try before you buy deal as you'll get in football. Giles interview was excellent but we didn't hear why we couldn't d keep SB as our player to Jan whilst further tests happened. I think the reason was West Ham had brought the deal so close to completion which included the players wages and there was no room to move for Brentford due to how late they decided to play it.

In the end though I think SB will be a fantastic player for West Ham; their fans will love him and in the end they'll want to complete the deal and keep him but they did a safe loan first imo to makesure signing him permanent would work out.
 

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Suppose it's a wait and see game. I don't think there is an obligation to buy; it doesn't appear to be the same deal as Ryan Woods a few years back when Stoke geniunely came in late and ran out of time; that permanent deal was to automatically happen on the 1st Jan.

The SB deal with West Ham seems to have a few hoops to get over before the two clubs complete an agreed permanent deal. Even after the Giles interview I got the impression a deal is agreed in principle but all depends on West Ham's reading of further medical assessments; they have concerns and can decide at any time to interpret the results how they like.

Hopefully it works out but in my opinion this is as close to a try before you buy deal as you'll get in football. Giles interview was excellent but we didn't hear why we couldn't d keep SB as our player to Jan whilst further tests happened. I think the reason was West Ham had brought the deal so close to completion which included the players wages and there was no room to move for Brentford due to how late they decided to play it.

In the end though I think SB will be a fantastic player for West Ham; their fans will love him and in the end they'll want to complete the deal and keep him but they did a safe loan first imo to makesure signing him permanent would work out.
It’s definitely not a “try before you buy” deal. Where’s that from?!

WHU will be buying Saïd Benrhama. The loan deal was used to get it done before the window closed. Medical tests are being done again, once they’ve been done and cleared up any issue, then SB will sign permanently.
 

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Can you convert a loan to a permanent outside of a transfer window as its a obligation to buy? i.e. once the tests come back fine in a few weeks they can make in permanent in November? I assume the payment structure wouldn't change either way.
 

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It has to be in January, iirc.
 

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I know it's never going to anything but the corporate line but i would love Stu Wakeford to do the twice yearly Phil interview.Might be a bit more entertaining. Would we have kept both Ollie and Said if promoted? Would we have still signed Toney if we'd gone up? Did we make a mistake in the Said contract paperwork regarding the 'still here in October' clause. Anyone throw the toys out of the pram? Will have to wait for Sir Phil's memoirs I suppose.
 

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I know it's never going to anything but the corporate line but i would love Stu Wakeford to do the twice yearly Phil interview.Might be a bit more entertaining. Would we have kept both Ollie and Said if promoted? Would we have still signed Toney if we'd gone up? Did we make a mistake in the Said contract paperwork regarding the 'still here in October' clause. Anyone throw the toys out of the pram? Will have to wait for Sir Phil's memoirs I suppose.
Oh god no! He'd have him balancing bananas on his nose or something...
 

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Suppose it's a wait and see game. I don't think there is an obligation to buy; it doesn't appear to be the same deal as Ryan Woods a few years back when Stoke geniunely came in late and ran out of time; that permanent deal was to automatically happen on the 1st Jan.

The SB deal with West Ham seems to have a few hoops to get over before the two clubs complete an agreed permanent deal. Even after the Giles interview I got the impression a deal is agreed in principle but all depends on West Ham's reading of further medical assessments; they have concerns and can decide at any time to interpret the results how they like.

Hopefully it works out but in my opinion this is as close to a try before you buy deal as you'll get in football. Giles interview was excellent but we didn't hear why we couldn't d keep SB as our player to Jan whilst further tests happened. I think the reason was West Ham had brought the deal so close to completion which included the players wages and there was no room to move for Brentford due to how late they decided to play it.

In the end though I think SB will be a fantastic player for West Ham; their fans will love him and in the end they'll want to complete the deal and keep him but they did a safe loan first imo to makesure signing him permanent would work out.
Eh? Every report has literally said there is an obligation to buy and Phil even mentions it in his interview - there was a slight discrepancy in Said's medical which is why it turned into a loan with obligation to buy instead of a permanent deal due to the fact the medical had to be completed after he returned from international duty. Nothing to see here.
 

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No. You can sign a contract at any time. You can only register a player during the windows. As Said is already registered to play for West Ham then that doesn't apply.
PG said as soon as possible so seemed to indicate it wouldn't be that long..
 

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It will be an obligation to buy unless Said really does have an material issue which will then have to be verified independently.

Phil is relaxed about it, I don't see why some are having kittens over it
I haven't heard club sources say it needs to be verified indepenently and I doubt any independent medical personnel could force a business to pay millions of pounds and complete a deal if that business medical team interpret results differently. Giles said himself if Said leaves or something to that effect later in the interview when talking about the money brought in this summer so it's not 100% sure to happen.

In a medical sense; West Ham can interpret the medical results how they like and their medical team/experts will I presume produce a report for the board/owners who'll use that to decide how they want to proceed.

I'm sure it will be fine but as things stand this is a loan with an agreement to complete a permanent deal if West Ham are happy with future medical results; if they're not comfortable to commit to a 5 year contract and millions of pounds on the back of the report no independent body will be able to force them to do so. The ball is very much in West Ham's court!
 

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Eh? Every report has literally said there is an obligation to buy and Phil even mentions it in his interview - there was a slight discrepancy in Said's medical which is why it turned into a loan with obligation to buy instead of a permanent deal due to the fact the medical had to be completed after he returned from international duty. Nothing to see here.
I thought Phil used the term "agreement" not "obligation". Maybe semantics but "agreement" does not sound as definitive.
Either way, I still don't believe WHU ever had any intention of completing a full purchase. I think this was always their plan. Hope Benham has some good layers as this will end up in court.
BTW - I know nothing. Just feel it in my water!
 

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