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Bush Tuckerman
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Does anyone know what happened to Jens Cajuste?
He didn’t play for FC Midtjylland yesterday! I don’t think he’s played this season has he?
He didn’t play for FC Midtjylland yesterday! I don’t think he’s played this season has he?
Hippobee
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Last seen been shown the inside of a shed.
JANORAK
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It”ll probably be on Alibi soon, then.
Mr Cynical
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Ashworth allowed to speak to Newcastle
Brighton give technical director Dan Ashworth permission to speak to Newcastle about their vacant director of football role.
www.bbc.co.uk
If Newcastle are looking at how Brighton are run it seems extremely unlikely that they won't have looked at Phil Giles....
Isleworth_Bee
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Ashworth allowed to speak to Newcastle
Brighton give technical director Dan Ashworth permission to speak to Newcastle about their vacant director of football role.
If Newcastle are looking at how Brighton are run it seems extremely unlikely that they won't have looked at Phil Giles....
True but Ashworth is very good at what he does. If we didnt have PG i would love to have DA at the Bees.
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Ashworth is a man whose entire career has been in football, and he’s taken up roles at lots of different clubs as well as with the FA.Ashworth allowed to speak to Newcastle
Brighton give technical director Dan Ashworth permission to speak to Newcastle about their vacant director of football role.
If Newcastle are looking at how Brighton are run it seems extremely unlikely that they won't have looked at Phil Giles....
Giles isn’t really the same, he doesn’t have a football background in the same way and his relationship with Benham / role at Brentford is pretty unique given the SmartOdds connection. Hopefully this means he’s not “poachable” in the same way.
Yes, this was all covered in the GPG catch-up with him!
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.....maybe I'm missing something here.....but why wouldn't PG be at least be interested in this role at Newcastle....and hear what they have to say.....before they hear what he has to say..... regardless of what he said in the GPG interview..... I'm not certain he wouldn't.....and I'm also not certain that they're is anyone on here could argue with any great certainty that he wouldn't talk to them.
Perhaps have a read of the relevant part again?
JCMcBee
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.... we're all men of our word.... except where money and ambition are concerned..... perhaps.
GIven Phil's position in the mega money making machine that is Smartodds, I don't think he was to leave MB's empire and go to Newcastle for one-tenth of the money and then get sacked after 3 months and nothing much to do except become a epidemiologist as there's not much call for that at the moment.
He's a very sensible person you know!
JCMcBee
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....the missing word is Geordie....but I do of course hope you're right.
JCMcBee
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....Bloom obviously isn't paying him enough.Ashworth allowed to speak to Newcastle
Brighton give technical director Dan Ashworth permission to speak to Newcastle about their vacant director of football role.
If Newcastle are looking at how Brighton are run it seems extremely unlikely that they won't have looked at Phil Giles....
Raise The Roof
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….maybe he is on a spying mission to find out the Geordie master plan. Quite clever really.
Not really. There is no masterplan. Everyone knows that.
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Spend lots of money and hope it doesn’t go tits up.
It’s a plan. Not necessarily a masterplan but a plan nonetheless.
I don’t think he will go for 1/4 or even half the money either for that matter
is this one of those seldom situations?
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Interesting podcast on here
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Training Ground Guru | Phil Giles: Why Brentford could re-open their Academy
BRENTFORD Director of Football Phil Giles says the club could re-open their Academy in future because Brexit has forced a change of strategy.
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Thought it was going to bean Off to Southampton post!
TadB
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Looks like the expected overhaul will take place now that Rasmus has gone.Interesting podcast on here
Training Ground Guru | Phil Giles: Why Brentford could re-open their Academy
BRENTFORD Director of Football Phil Giles says the club could re-open their Academy in future because Brexit has forced a change of strategy.
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Eh?
Hippobee
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I think it will happen, for all the reasons Phil states, including Brexit and that we are in a different place as a club compared to 5 years ago.Interesting podcast on here
Training Ground Guru | Phil Giles: Why Brentford could re-open their Academy
BRENTFORD Director of Football Phil Giles says the club could re-open their Academy in future because Brexit has forced a change of strategy.
It's also an admission (partly due to covid) that the B team are really not getting any really good competitive games compared to the eye-watering fixtures they were getting in RR's time. There's also the question (raised before) as to whether the current B team is really doing its job.
If the B team aren't getting fixtures that motivate them, nor are they seeing a path to the first team squad, then the players there aren't going to get any better.
Isleworth_Bee
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Good post.
I wonder if we are now seeing the true reality of the loss of RR as well
in relation to the B team. Add into the mix covid and promotion............ I love the concept and hope we don’t axe it.
hanworthbee
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Enjoyed that podcast very much.PG said we want to get into Europe and to be given a licence you need some form of academy.The B team imo perhaps will co exist alongside an academy
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Good post! I think if players in the UK are on a path to competing at PL standard they'd most likely already be with an academy or on the books of a club playing out on loan.
There are gems like Finn we can find from non league who are good enough but the UK market would be a small window to attract that type of player into a B team model, most would be playing competitive football at a decent standard as part of their development.
Finding those gems in untapped markets is now nearly impossible because of Brexit and the reality as we've seen with moves this week the pathway from B team to first team is now a path to the PL; a significant step up from coming through the B model to first team championship standard.
Mid to long term we might enter PL 2 (U23) as an alternative.
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TadB
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Think about it,
Downbeat Bee
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The interview shows just what a regressive step leaving the EU was (economic rather than political point)
jlove
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I listened to it first... I never heard anything about "the expected overhaul" taking place; in fact, I'm not sure what overhaul was expected and by whom.
hanworthbee
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On the football side the likes of Finn Stevens may have benefitted
Downbeat Bee
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Yeah but protectionism is by definition inefficient in most cases.
GuyBee
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Very tempted to wade in, but sounds like politics to me
jlove
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It was certainly an opportunity taken by The FA.
Zero chance of us being allowed in PL2 without an academy.
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Very interesting pod - most of us know most of it already... i wonder what others make of it / him / us 
Certainly sounds like the sort of boss I'd like to work for, anyway.
Not sure about this follow-up B team discussion - they're basically our reserves, and the level up from the academy anyway, so I'm sure we'd still have something similar, and Phil was very positive and enthusiastic about the B team from what i could hear. Hopefully easier to travel soon so better fixtures will be back.
Certainly sounds like the sort of boss I'd like to work for, anyway.
Not sure about this follow-up B team discussion - they're basically our reserves, and the level up from the academy anyway, so I'm sure we'd still have something similar, and Phil was very positive and enthusiastic about the B team from what i could hear. Hopefully easier to travel soon so better fixtures will be back.
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As some have said we already knew most of what he said.I am under the impression that having a cat 1 academy makes it a lot harder for the big boys to steal players and if they manage to they have to pay a lot more in compensation.
The best bit tho is we are planing for europe...YOU BEES
The best bit tho is we are planing for europe...YOU BEES
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I do wonder where are we getting the lads to set up the the teams from 8 year old to 18/19 year? .Where are the coaches ? Could it be we start with the Brentford Trust sides and coaches ?As some have said we already knew most of what he said.I am under the impression that having a cat 1 academy makes it a lot harder for the big boys to steal players and if they manage to they have to pay a lot more in compensation.
The best bit tho is we are planing for europe...YOU BEES
They seem to be doing some sort of youth teams down at Bedfont Sports. Most days I see young lads in Brentford tracksuits heading that way.
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Trying not to get into politics when responding but in terms of economics; Brexit was obviously going to close a lot of markets in a variety of industries; sadly football is no different and that has been clearly shown hence why most clubs will and are looking at the changing landscape.
jlove
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He didn't actually say we are setting up an academy and you certainly can't just set up a Cat 1 academy, he's just talking about forward planning. He noted that EUFA competitions require an academy, not necessarily Cat 1.
IMHO, a European place would have to be a realistic prospect before any expenditure on the minimum requirement would be made. We need a Premier League top-level training facility for the First and B teams before anything else, no point in draining resources before necessary.
mhead bee
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If we qualified for europe you couldn't set up an academy overnight, surely you need to plan and make a huge investment a long time in advance to do it properly, unless you are talking about ticking a box by giving 11 kids a ball to kick about with on half an astro. I think our plan would be far more strategic than that.
Luckily we don't qualify to play in Europe overnight
jlove
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That's what I'm saying! Not that we're going to do it now but that we have a plan to meet the requirement... when the possibility is realistic. The Jersey Road plan clearly shows the infrastructure described as Academy.
The requirement is not "must have an academy" but:
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a) At least two youth teams within the age range of 15 to 21;
b) At least one youth team within the age range of 10 to 14;
c) At least one under-10 team.
2. Each youth team, except of the under-10s, must take part in official competitions or programmes played at national, regional or local level and recognised by the UEFA member association.
Obviously, this needs to be staffed but it does not state how good the youth teams must be, so they could be FITC + B Team under 21's.Mr Cynical
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Let's hope Phil is a very busy boy these next couple of weeks!!
alikat
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Not just busy - successful as well. We certainly need him to be at the moment.
Downbeat Bee
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It's phenomenally difficult now. Onyeka and Wissa cost what £17mish and they have not made much of a difference.
Could be better and room
For improvement but would not say they are bad signings as have contributed
Downbeat Bee
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Not necessarily saying they've bern bad but £17m does not even get you two automatic starters. Shows how difficult things are.
But then there's Vitaly...
Downbeat Bee
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He wasn't bought once we were in the Premier League.