Signed New Contract Pontus Jansson

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gonna have to be bloody good to be better and there is no guarantee.

pointless risk imho
We currently can't defend crosses and are having to play a midfielder at the back in order to be able to progress the ball up the pitch without hoofing it. I don't think it'll be that big an ask to improve what we have at the moment. 🤷
 

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We currently can't defend crosses and are having to play a midfielder at the back in order to be able to progress the ball up the pitch without hoofing it. I don't think it'll be that big an ask to improve what we have at the moment. 🤷
That’s because of the injuries, that we have played a midfielder at the back once . We rarely hoof it
 

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We currently can't defend crosses and are having to play a midfielder at the back in order to be able to progress the ball up the pitch without hoofing it. I don't think it'll be that big an ask to improve what we have at the moment. 🤷
Pontus is conspicuous by his presence at every goal we concede. Lack of pace.
Yes he's done a job for us and he does have leadership qualities but is way over-rated by many on here IMHO.
Sooner or later we'll need a younger, more mobile upgrade & I trust we'll make that call at the earliest opportunity tbh
 

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Pontus is conspicuous by his presence at every goal we concede. Lack of pace.
Yes he's done a job for us and he does have leadership qualities but is way over-rated by many on here IMHO.
Sooner or later we'll need a younger, more mobile upgrade & I trust we'll make that call at the earliest opportunity tbh
Every goal we have ever conceded has a conspicuous and consistent issue. The goalkeeper. Whoever it is has always been suspiciously in the vicinity but not quite close enough. It’s simply not good enough for us to have a position that has consistently failed for every single goal that has been scored against us in our entire history. Heads should roll for this but I imagine they won’t while we continually over-rate the procession of charlatans wearing the green, blue or whatever colour jersey (note never red and white stripes, it’s almost as if they want to advertise how they’re not on our side!).
 
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This year's team reminds me a bit of the first Championship side. We thought that was a brilliant team but 5 years later, we had a side that would beat them more often than not.

Much as we rate sone of our players, even the best ones can and will be improved upon if we stay up for any length of time.
 
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Or the official announcement when he signed, from Brentford, which says we have a club option to 2023?
The club wouldn't likely release a statement saying its been removed.
 

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The club wouldn't likely release a statement saying its been removed.
Would be odd for the club to remove it - no one really gains anything from it being removed? It's not like he signed a new contract or anything like that?

It's possible we've already made the decision we wouldn't enact it, but I would be very surprised if the option didn't exist anymore.
 

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Without doubt his presence enabled us to finally reach the top tier, is he fallible? Most certainly yes. Are there better options? Again definitely.

Whilst he is captain I think that Christian seems to show more leadership skills in a quiet undemonstrative manner

I could see the club accepting an offer in January if the money was good enough and he was happy with the move ( big final pay day) otherwise I expect he will be allowed to leave on a free in the Summer with our best wishes. Financially that could be his best move as he can negotiate ( and keep) a signing on fee
 

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Leicester want that Cxunt from burnely that left the bees. James Ilovethemoneyoffski

Everton will loan Ake from Man city

So only place I can see I he wanted to go was Malmo.

Could we not offer a coaching role once he ready to hang up boots and see if we can squeeze last few years out of him.
 

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This year's team reminds me a bit of the first Championship side. We thought that was a brilliant team but 5 years later, we had a side that would beat them more often than not.

Much as we rate sone of our players, even the best ones can and will be improved upon if we stay up for any length of time.

Spot on! The longer we stay up, the more money we will have, and with our record on recruitment, the better we will become.
 

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Without doubt his presence enabled us to finally reach the top tier, is he fallible? Most certainly yes. Are there better options? Again definitely.

Whilst he is captain I think that Christian seems to show more leadership skills in a quiet undemonstrative manner

I could see the club accepting an offer in January if the money was good enough and he was happy with the move ( big final pay day) otherwise I expect he will be allowed to leave on a free in the Summer with our best wishes. Financially that could be his best move as he can negotiate ( and keep) a signing on fee
Spot on as usual Pipe, That's my take on it as well, unlike the old days when we were all terrified if we lost a quality player times have now changed for us and we move on and find better, With regards to Christian I also think he would make a great leader, Being among the very best midfielder in the Prem he would be the one I would be very, very disappointed to see go.
 

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This year's team reminds me a bit of the first Championship side. We thought that was a brilliant team but 5 years later, we had a side that would beat them more often than not.

Much as we rate sone of our players, even the best ones can and will be improved upon if we stay up for any length of time.
Wise words and you’re right.
 

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Every goal we have ever conceded has a conspicuous and consistent issue. The goalkeeper. Whoever it is has always been suspiciously in the vicinity but not quite close enough. It’s simply not good enough for us to have a position that has consistently failed for every single goal that has been scored against us in our entire history. Heads should roll for this but I imagine they won’t while we continually over-rate the procession of charlatans wearing the green, blue or whatever colour jersey (note never red and white stripes, it’s almost as if they want to advertise how they’re not on our side!).
Surely Jensen is at fault for all our goals?
 

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The Newcastle link doesn't surprise me in the sense I believe their January policy will be trying to throw silly money at making themselves stronger but at the same time making immediate rivals weaker.

So making a tempting offer for a 30 year old with 6 months left on his contract whilst offering the player a huge increase in wages might not be too far off. If we win another few games before January it's possible we won't realistically be one of their relegation rivals but then Pontus would still be a good addition.

I doubt we'd let Pontus leave in January and I'd question if he'd want to move but if we're in a strong league position and the money for club and player is right; wages we couldn't offer with Newcastle involved then it's possible, and you might even make the £5million back we paid for Pontus.
 
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Led to believe there are concrete truths in these rumours. Pontus is being looked at but as other have stated above we probably won’t sell if we haven’t got a replacement beforehand. Plus Pontus in a back three with wing backs as shown so far is far valuable in the PL than let’s say a back 4. Let’s see how the next 6 weeks develops.
 

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The Newcastle link doesn't surprise me in the sense I believe their January policy will be trying to throw silly money at making themselves stronger but at the same time making immediate rivals weaker.

So making a tempting offer for a 30 year old with 6 months left on his contract whilst offering the player a huge increase in wages might not be too far off. If we win another few games before January it's possible we won't realistically be one of their relegation rivals but then Pontus would still be a good addition.

I doubt we'd let Pontus leave in January and I'd question if he'd want to move but if we're in a strong league position and the money for club and player is right; wages we couldn't offer with Newcastle involved then it's possible, and you might even make the £5million back we paid for Pontus.
If we did let him go in Jan I’d want at least what we paid for him maybe double,think I’d rather keep him til the end of the season and let him go for nothing in the summer
 

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If we did let him go in Jan I’d want at least what we paid for him maybe double,think I’d rather keep him til the end of the season and let him go for nothing in the summer
If he goes it won’t be on the cheap and only if we have someone lined up. I doubt we’ll offer him a contract beyond next year if we get our target signings. He’s been excellent as a leader this season and when we needed him to step up and be at his best he has been. Whether that’s good enough for the ambitious, forward thinking club we want to be in the future I’m unsure.
 

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gonna have to be bloody good to be better and there is no guarantee.

pointless risk imho

I agree, why would any team risk being unsettled by selling a guaranteed starter who is also the biggest leader/organiser in the side mid season.

Staying in the PL is worth 20 times what we might get if we sell PJ. Let's get that secured and if that means he leaves in the summer for nothing so be it.
 

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I really doubt anyone would offer us a fee we would consider as worth selling him for in January. He’s the wrong side of 30 and he’s only got 6 months left on his deal.

The article in question is probably just agent-agitated as he looks to his next contract, wherever it may be (unlikely Brentford with his option cancelled). We know that he will end up at Malmö before the end of his career but he could feel that he’s got another 1-2 years left at a higher level than the Allsvenskan.

With him likely on his way at the end of the season (plus Jeanvier and Racic out of the picture) we should bring someone else in at some stage. But we don’t need to do that in January unless the right opportunity comes up; we’ve got plenty of cover for this season at least, plus an option to extend Zanka’s deal for another year.
 

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The Newcastle link doesn't surprise me in the sense I believe their January policy will be trying to throw silly money at making themselves stronger but at the same time making immediate rivals weaker.

So making a tempting offer for a 30 year old with 6 months left on his contract whilst offering the player a huge increase in wages might not be too far off. If we win another few games before January it's possible we won't realistically be one of their relegation rivals but then Pontus would still be a good addition.

I doubt we'd let Pontus leave in January and I'd question if he'd want to move but if we're in a strong league position and the money for club and player is right; wages we couldn't offer with Newcastle involved then it's possible, and you might even make the £5million back we paid for Pontus.
Newcastle are clueless in the football brain department at the moment.
They are being linked with everyone and everything including the Belgian Herts Van Rental.
Nick Hammond is in charge of January transfers so he may go for Shane Duffy and Steve Cook.
Only if Nick Hammond has got the job which has to be ratified in Saudi and, unless I am wrong, has yet to be.
As I have said before the best thing he did at Celtic was leave.
PIF knowledge on the game could be written on the back of a postage stamp and The Toon are beginning to realise this.
 

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Newcastle are clueless in the football brain department at the moment.
They are being linked with everyone and everything including the Belgian Herts Van Rental.
Nick Hammond is in charge of January transfers so he may go for Shane Duffy and Steve Cook.
Only if Nick Hammond has got the job which has to be ratified in Saudi and, unless I am wrong, has yet to be.
As I have said before the best thing he did at Celtic was leave.
PIF knowledge on the game could be written on the back of a postage stamp and The Toon are beginning to realise this.
We could do with that Belgium guy. He’s got a good engine I hear
 

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Newcastle are clueless in the football brain department at the moment.
They are being linked with everyone and everything including the Belgian Herts Van Rental.
Nick Hammond is in charge of January transfers so he may go for Shane Duffy and Steve Cook.
Only if Nick Hammond has got the job which has to be ratified in Saudi and, unless I am wrong, has yet to be.
As I have said before the best thing he did at Celtic was leave.
PIF knowledge on the game could be written on the back of a postage stamp and The Toon are beginning to realise this.
I wouldn't be surprised if they signed Jaf Van Rentals.........
 

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If we did let him go in Jan I’d want at least what we paid for him maybe double,think I’d rather keep him til the end of the season and let him go for nothing in the summer
Having had a good read of most of the posts on this thread in all honesty I do believe that this is what most posters are saying. It certainly does not look as if anyone is suggesting that Pontus should be sold this January for a derisory fee. On the other hand if an offer is made that would allow a large profit to be made then it may be foolish not to accept it providing that there is a suitable replacement lined up. The discussion should therefore be speculating on how much that profit could or should be.
 
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Whether his performances have good overall is debatable, however it’s his influence as Captain that’s key. Selling your captain mid season, even if a potential replacement fits in perfectly, brings a risk I don’t think we need given our position. Yes 5 mill would be nice, but we’re not depending on raising finances any which way. So now, stick till end of the season for sure
 

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Given his fantastic near post finish from a tight angle v Chelsea maybe we should try him up front??
It's a no from me. That wasn't a tight angle, my Gran could have scored that 🤭
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His performances have gone up a level since we were promoted.
Not sure I'd entirely agree. I mean, for me, he's always been a domineering presence who can have rushes of blood to the head. I think with Ajer ( when fit) and Pinnock he's besides two defenders who are arguably, at this stages of their careers, 'better' players. That's not to say Pontus isn't crucial, is he. As are many of our starting XI
 

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Having had a good read of most of the posts on this thread in all honesty I do believe that this is what most posters are saying. It certainly does not look as if anyone is suggesting that Pontus should be sold this January for a derisory fee. On the other hand if an offer is made that would allow a large profit to be made then it may be foolish not to accept it providing that there is a suitable replacement lined up. The discussion should therefore be speculating on how much that profit could or should be.
We would make more from keeping Pontus and finishing higher in the league, than we would from selling him.
 

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Not sure I'd entirely agree. I mean, for me, he's always been a domineering presence who can have rushes of blood to the head. I think with Ajer ( when fit) and Pinnock he's besides two defenders who are arguably, at this stages of their careers, 'better' players. That's not to say Pontus isn't crucial, is he. As are many of our starting XI
Fair enough but I suspect many here would disagree with you. Personally I think we’re getting both the leadership role and improved quality of performance.

Whilst newspaper speculation isn’t a brilliant metric, there would be no chatter about Pontus at all if the consensus news that he was an upper end Championship defender, especially as he’s only played 16 PL games.
 

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We would make more from keeping Pontus and finishing higher in the league, than we would from selling him.
I am quite sure that the DofF will take that into account although the quality of any replacement will also be included in the equation. As I have said we will not give him away, and neither will we disadvantaged ourselves.
 

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Newcastle are clueless in the football brain department at the moment.
They are being linked with everyone and everything including the Belgian Herts Van Rental.
Nick Hammond is in charge of January transfers so he may go for Shane Duffy and Steve Cook.
Only if Nick Hammond has got the job which has to be ratified in Saudi and, unless I am wrong, has yet to be.
As I have said before the best thing he did at Celtic was leave.
PIF knowledge on the game could be written on the back of a postage stamp and The Toon are beginning to realise this.
To be fair to them all the chat is paper talk from journalists who can cobble together any old narrative to fit (people with a Howe or Geordie link, people who could do the job the journo thinks needs doing etc) or agents flying kites knowing that a bid for one of their players will net both of them a big payday. The decapitators have been in charge barely 3 months and haven’t really had time to do anything other than appoint Howe and his backroom team (potentially good and longer term-looking than just chucking a load of cash at Conte or someone like that), give the ground a clean and rip down the Sports Direct posters. So maybe they have cleverer insights than the media is reporting. It’ll be key to which end of the Championship they’re looking at next season.
 

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Fair enough but I suspect many here would disagree with you. Personally I think we’re getting both the leadership role and improved quality of performance.

Whilst newspaper speculation isn’t a brilliant metric, there would be no chatter about Pontus at all if the consensus news that he was an upper end Championship defender, especially as he’s only played 16 PL games.
I see what you mean, that is true
 

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To be fair to them all the chat is paper talk from journalists who can cobble together any old narrative to fit (people with a Howe or Geordie link, people who could do the job the journo thinks needs doing etc) or agents flying kites knowing that a bid for one of their players will net both of them a big payday. The decapitators have been in charge barely 3 months and haven’t really had time to do anything other than appoint Howe and his backroom team (potentially good and longer term-looking than just chucking a load of cash at Conte or someone like that), give the ground a clean and rip down the Sports Direct posters. So maybe they have cleverer insights than the media is reporting. It’ll be key to which end of the Championship they’re looking at next season.
They are sitting ducks surrounded by vultures.
Staveley and her husband have never been involved in football or a football club before yet have a bottomless pit to delve into.
Where to start?
Every decision that is made is in Saudi Arabia not Toonside and needs to be ratified there before it is implemented here.
Tony Fernandes found out the hard way at Loftus Road and the PIF will have their trousers well and truly pulled down next month by agents selling those they can't get shot off somewhere else or in Amandas case her leather dress.
Savvy clubs, savvy directors of football will steer clear. Newcastle will not, because they have no choice.
The speculation on appointments alone says a problem waiting to happen.
They go from Kyliam Mbappe to Odion Ighalo.
You have to remember that the Premier league has said it will not deal with Newcastle United too.
The media speculation is probably making Amanda dizzy as it is as she tries out another black and white combination to go with her black and white scarf.
 

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Not sure I'd entirely agree. I mean, for me, he's always been a domineering presence who can have rushes of blood to the head. I think with Ajer ( when fit) and Pinnock he's besides two defenders who are arguably, at this stages of their careers, 'better' players. That's not to say Pontus isn't crucial, is he. As are many of our starting XI
I think he gets a very easy ride on here for whatever reason, possibly the whole 'leader/captain' thing which people seem to really buy into. He's a really good defender, his blocking and interception stats are top drawer, but there's a lot more to a modern CB than just getting your body in the way and he's far from the full PL package. LesB nails it when he says that it's like our first Championship side which we didn't think we could surpass and I suspect Phil G will have a much more hard-nosed approach to who stays and who goes. If we find someone better and there's a route out for Pontus that he's open to then I'm sure the club will be happy to deal. We've seen it with Marcondes and Dalsgaard at the end of last season.
 
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