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All three teams promoted from the Championship to the Premier League last season lost their opening games. The scores were 0-3, 0-3 and 3-4.

All three teams relegated from the Premier League to the Championship won their opening games.

What does this tell us about the gulf in quality between the two leagues?
 
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Or everything!

At the very least, that it's going to be a long, hard slog getting into the top two places.
 

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When Mr. Benham reckons that even a 46 game season doesn't tell you who the "best" or "worst" team is, then we're hardly going to know after one weekend.
Better tell some of our fans that.
 

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That West Brom and Putney aren't a top half Premier League side and will both struggle but Leeds are actually quite good and might be ok.
There is nothing much between the teams that go up and the bottom 6-8 PL teams. I think it's all about keeping the nucleus of a championship team together and using the mega millions to make 2-3 quality signings to stay up, then take it from there. SU proved that last year & Bournemouth proved it over 5 years. Leeds will be absolutely fine & I expect to finish top 10.
I happen to think WBA & Fulham are two of the weaker teams to go up in recent years. At our best, we were better than both of them, but weren't quite consistent enough. From what I've seen the signings they've made haven't been that great, so I expect them both to struggle.

I don't expect all of Bournemouth, Watford or Norwich to tear up trees this season. Norwich would appear to have the best chance, as I think their team will largely remain intact.
 

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The team or squad needed to get promoted from the Championship often isnt suitable for playing in the Premier League. However what has happened this time is the 3 promoted sides relied heavily on loan players, who have signed permanently in some cases at no small fee. If Ben White was already a Leeds player they may have been able to have got at least a draw v Liverpool. He was a vital part of their defence last season, but even £30M hasn’t persuaded Brighton to sell him to them.
Fortunately that isnt a method we use to get players
 
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Because they've won one game each?
No - because all six teams that either were promoted to the Premier League or were up against teams that were in the bottom three of the Premier League last season lost. Without exception. Six teams - three promoted, three up against relegated teams - and not a single point between them.
 

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No - because all six teams that either were promoted to the Premier League or were up against teams that were in the bottom three of the Premier League last season lost. Without exception. Six teams - three promoted, three up against relegated teams - and not a single point between them.
True, however it is only one game and if you break down positions to the next level of granularity the position becomes less clear:

The three promoted sides played teams that finished last season 1st, 5th and 8th In the premier league and the three relegated teams played sides that finished 11th, 17th And 18th in the championship so nowhere close to a true representation of the bottom of the premier league vs top of championship, if anything, just shows the bottom of the premier league is much better than the bottom of the championship and the top of the premier is better than top of the championship...no surprises there.

The fact it is only one game means we can’t draw any real conclusions, however, if Leeds, Fulham and West Brom had been hammered by Brighton, Southampton and Aston Villa whilst the three relegated teams comfortably beat us, Swansea and Cardiff then there may be more of a question to pose.
 

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I think teams that go up through automatic promotion, with relatively settled sides and little need to change up everything, have a very good chance of establishing themselves. There's isn't really a massive gulf, and I'd probably argue the top 2 in the championship are better than the bottom three in the PL. But that's mostly cause the promoted sides are full of confidence and the others are not.

If you're promoted through the play offs, that's where you might start seeing the gulf so to speak. Often you have a 5-6 teams fighting it out for that ticket and it involves a lot of very average championship players. I don't know the statistics of it, but I expect the third finished team to win that play off most years.

What's an absolute bastard is if you got players on loan when promoted. I've only experienced relegation from the PL once, but having a core on loan and getting shredded when promoted...well it sucked. For what it's worth I think Leeds losing Ben White will hurt them much more than any fancy name signing can weigh up for.
 
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True, however it is only one game and if you break down positions to the next level of granularity the position becomes less clear:
Sound reasoning, I think. We'll really only have a clear view of the lie of the land after 10 games or so have been played.
 

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Looks like the gulf isn't that big for those dropping into the championship then. Muff, Watford and Norwich all failed to win yesterday against very average sides (Boro, Weds & PNE). Norwich were lucky not to lose at home to the mighty Preston!
 

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Looks like the gulf isn't that big for those dropping into the championship then. Muff, Watford and Norwich all failed to win yesterday against very average sides (Boro, Weds & PNE). Norwich were lucky not to lose at home to the mighty Preston!
and none of the promoted teams have played any of the sides expected to be in and around them this year (except each other) so hard to tell on that.
 

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The 3 promoted teams this season into the Prem have let in 22 goals across 6 matches (To be fair, Leeds have scored 7)....
 

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The 3 promoted teams this season into the Prem have let in 22 goals across 6 matches (To be fair, Leeds have scored 7)....
I think with no fans we will see more goals than usual . Finishing the season most teams had something to play for in premier league so partly compensated for lack of crowds and hence extra Adrenalin. Starting a season a completely different matter as becomes almost pre season friendlies for teams or practice matches. Fulham and west brom will struggle because have absolutely no home advantage to compensate for any gulf in class and opposition able to play with hand brake off..... Leeds will be able to take advantage of more porous defences I doubt west brom or Fulham can well not enough to offset goals they will concede. If crowds don’t return in any real number until the New Year both could effectively be relegated by then.
 

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All three teams promoted from the Championship to the Premier League last season lost their opening games. The scores were 0-3, 0-3 and 3-4.

All three teams relegated from the Premier League to the Championship won their opening games.

What does this tell us about the gulf in quality between the two leagues?
Southampton 0 - 2 Brentford
 

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When Mr. Benham reckons that even a 46 game season doesn't tell you who the "best" or "worst" team is, then we're hardly going to know after one weekend.
Exactly, this is a bullshit thread with more crap that the caronavirus thread.,
 

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The current Championship table, seems to indicate that Luton are the 3rd best team in the division and are only one goal shy of being the second best.

I think that tells you all you need to know.
 

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The current Championship table, seems to indicate that Luton are the 3rd best team in the division and are only one goal shy of being the second best.

I think that tells you all you need to know.
Charlton started last season at a gallop. Occasionally unfancied teams can keep it up (eg Colchester some years back in L1, Leicester when they won the PL) and by the time people realise they’re actually good they’ve already established their dominance. More often they fall back to their actual level of quality.
 

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Charlton started last season at a gallop. Occasionally unfancied teams can keep it up (eg Colchester some years back in L1, Leicester when they won the PL) and by the time people realise they’re actually good they’ve already established their dominance. More often they fall back to their actual level of quality.
I don't think any of the sides currently in the top 3 will be remotely close to those positions come the end of the season. In terms of PL I think there is still a gap and only the really good sides like Wolves and Leeds could stay up with little investment - indeed £150m of investment is not always a guarantee....
 

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Charlton started last season at a gallop. Occasionally unfancied teams can keep it up (eg Colchester some years back in L1, Leicester when they won the PL) and by the time people realise they’re actually good they’ve already established their dominance. More often they fall back to their actual level of quality.
Bristol City being a good case in point.

They started the last two seasons atleast like a train and then fell back, and lo and behold they have won their first two games this season.
 

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Bristol City being a good case in point.

They started the last two seasons atleast like a train and then fell back, and lo and behold they have won their first two games this season.
Didnt QPR need to beat us this time last year to go top (or 2nd) but lost and ended up finding there true place further down.
 

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Didnt QPR need to beat us this time last year to go top (or 2nd) but lost and ended up finding there true place further down.
There true place would have been dead last and relegation.
 

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