QPR the mediocre club that keeps on giving

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My girlfriend and I are looking at moving to Acton area some time in the next year, better make sure we go for the Brentford leaning part!
Afaik, Acton was always traditionally QPR territory, though not really in recent years (other than the Eastern end?).

I've never thought of any part as being particularly "Brentford leaning", though that may change gradually should Bees stay in the PL (and QPR stay down). Perhaps south Acton/Acton Lane direction.?
 

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Afaik, Acton was always traditionally QPR territory, though not really in recent years (other than the Eastern end?).

I've never thought of any part as being particularly "Brentford leaning", though that may change gradually should Bees stay in the PL (and QPR stay down). Perhaps south Acton/Acton Lane direction.?
I’d have said Gunnersbury Lane to Ealing Common and Gunnersbury Avenue to South Acton station ends of Acton were Brentford, but the rest of it was probably QPR and always has been, IMHO.
 

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For their Carabao Cup game at home to Sunderland, QPR are charging £19 to STHs, £25 if not.

Seems a bit steep to me, esp when compared to Stoke's pricing for our game.

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Here's the full list, with concessions etc::
Season Ticket Holders prior to matchday: - £19 Adults, £10 Seniors O’61/Young Adults U’23/ Disabled/Ambulant with free carer, £6 Juniors U’18 and Kids U’8 Accompanied – Free with full paying adult, prior to matchday.

Non Season Ticket Holders: - £25 Adults, £18 Seniors O’61/Young Adults U’23/Disabled/Ambulant with free carer, £10 Juniors U’18 and Kids U’8 Accompanied – Free with full paying adult, prior to matchday.
 

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For their Carabao Cup game at home to Sunderland, QPR are charging £19 to STHs, £25 if not.

Seems a bit steep to me, esp when compared to Stoke's pricing for our game.

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Here's the full list, with concessions etc::
Season Ticket Holders prior to matchday: - £19 Adults, £10 Seniors O’61/Young Adults U’23/ Disabled/Ambulant with free carer, £6 Juniors U’18 and Kids U’8 Accompanied – Free with full paying adult, prior to matchday.

Non Season Ticket Holders: - £25 Adults, £18 Seniors O’61/Young Adults U’23/Disabled/Ambulant with free carer, £10 Juniors U’18 and Kids U’8 Accompanied – Free with full paying adult, prior to matchday.
And they are playing a lower league side! Must be confident of good interest at those prices.
 

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Afaik, Acton was always traditionally QPR territory, though not really in recent years (other than the Eastern end?).

I've never thought of any part as being particularly "Brentford leaning", though that may change gradually should Bees stay in the PL (and QPR stay down). Perhaps south Acton/Acton Lane direction.?
I went to school in Acton, the West End of it, and there was a couple of rara's that were there, a Hammer too, and what ****s they were.
Wo der what they are thinking now.
 

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Afaik, Acton was always traditionally QPR territory, though not really in recent years (other than the Eastern end?).

I've never thought of any part as being particularly "Brentford leaning", though that may change gradually should Bees stay in the PL (and QPR stay down). Perhaps south Acton/Acton Lane direction.?
After we got promoted to the Championship against Preston on that Good Friday,
there was a big punch up on Acton High Street outside a couple of pubs.
QPR were rattled by Brentford lads celebrating on their manor.
 

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After we got promoted to the Championship against Preston on that Good Friday,
there was a big punch up on Acton High Street outside a couple of pubs.
QPR were rattled by Brentford lads celebrating on their manor.

Pokey club desperate to catch us up. Got to be the weakest Championship in years.
 

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Well credit where it is due, a story this time of the mediocre club literally giving.

Now it's not his fault - it was ingrained in him from an early age and I stepped in too late to save him, but my stepson has for many years been a QPR season ticket holder.

He has just been over to visit. We haven't seen him in three years. He came bearing gifts. He swallowed his pride, made a visit to the Bees club shop and bought me a new Bees mug, a Bees keyring and.... best of all.... a Bees pint glass!

Chuffed would be putting it mildly. Top, top, mediocre club giving. :sorted:
 
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Well credit where it is due, a story this time of the mediocre club literally giving.

Now it's not his fault - it was ingrained in him from an early age and I stepped in too late to save him, but my stepson has for many years been a QPR season ticket holder.

He has just been over to visit. We haven't seen him in three years. He came bearing gifts. He swallowed his pride, made a visit to the Bees club shop and bought me a new Bees mug, a Bees keyring and.... best of all.... a Bees pint glass!

Chuffed would be putting it mildly. Top, top, mediocre club giving. :sorted:
Sounds like hes crawling , wanting to jojn
 

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The QPR Bond will be available through Tifosy Capital and Advisory, the leading sports advisory and capital solutions firm. Investors can pre-register from Thursday 30th September for priority access to invest, with the offer due to close no later than 12th November.

The bond, issued by QPR Holdings Ltd, will pay 8% interest annually, comprised of 5% in cash and 3% in Club Credit redeemable on tickets and merchandise. Investors will be paid a one-off 25% bonus if the Club is promoted to the Premier League during the lifetime of the five-year bond.

The minimum subscription is £500 with no upper limit. UK taxpayers will be able to invest in the bond through an Innovative Finance ISA to receive tax-free returns and investors will be able to trade their bonds through the Tifosy Exchange.
 

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The QPR Bond will be available through Tifosy Capital and Advisory, the leading sports advisory and capital solutions firm. Investors can pre-register from Thursday 30th September for priority access to invest, with the offer due to close no later than 12th November.

The bond, issued by QPR Holdings Ltd, will pay 8% interest annually, comprised of 5% in cash and 3% in Club Credit redeemable on tickets and merchandise. Investors will be paid a one-off 25% bonus if the Club is promoted to the Premier League during the lifetime of the five-year bond.

The minimum subscription is £500 with no upper limit. UK taxpayers will be able to invest in the bond through an Innovative Finance ISA to receive tax-free returns and investors will be able to trade their bonds through the Tifosy Exchange.

Given the obvious no no of not helping that lot from White City, but what is the catch. That seems a very good deal.
Is it unsecured?
 

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Given the obvious no no of not helping that lot from White City, but what is the catch. That seems a very good deal.
Is it unsecured?
Yes. No recourse to Loftus Road or the site as far as I could tell.
 

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Please note that investment in a security of this nature, being an illiquid investment, involves a substantial degree of risk and returns are not guaranteed. An explanation of the risks and the full terms and conditions is available at www.tifosy.com/qpr. Approved as a financial promotion by Tifosy Limited which is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority (no. 717605).
 

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I would guess that many an institution would happily take 5% a year, return fixed on an investment over 5 years

where are they all ?
Open to correction, but I can't see even medium-sized institutions being interested in so piddling a scheme as this (looking to raise less than £10m, I think?)

While it may not even be permissable for funds to invest clients' money in a scheme like this (complaince, safe-guarding etc).

Nor is there likely to be any secondary market in the bonds if a fund wanted to move their investment before the five years is up.

When you look at the way it's presented, this one is very much for small investors and QPR ones at that (see eg the "promotion bonus")

What puzzles me is why the club needs to do this, when the whole training ground development is "only" going to cost £20m, which is peanuts for some of their owners. Surely they could at least borrow the money themselves at lower rates than they're offering?
 

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Wonder if warbs had any influence in this, perhaps with people he might have known from his city days
 

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Open to correction, but I can't see even medium-sized institutions being interested in so piddling a scheme as this (looking to raise less than £10m, I think?)

While it may not even be permissable for funds to invest clients' money in a scheme like this (complaince, safe-guarding etc).

Nor is there likely to be any secondary market in the bonds if a fund wanted to move their investment before the five years is up.

When you look at the way it's presented, this one is very much for small investors and QPR ones at that (see eg the "promotion bonus")

What puzzles me is why the club needs to do this, when the whole training ground development is "only" going to cost £20m, which is peanuts for some of their owners. Surely they could at least borrow the money themselves at lower rates than they're offering?

Agee on all counts
 

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Open to correction, but I can't see even medium-sized institutions being interested in so piddling a scheme as this (looking to raise less than £10m, I think?)

While it may not even be permissable for funds to invest clients' money in a scheme like this (complaince, safe-guarding etc).

Nor is there likely to be any secondary market in the bonds if a fund wanted to move their investment before the five years is up.

When you look at the way it's presented, this one is very much for small investors and QPR ones at that (see eg the "promotion bonus")

What puzzles me is why the club needs to do this, when the whole training ground development is "only" going to cost £20m, which is peanuts for some of their owners. Surely they could at least borrow the money themselves at lower rates than they're offering?
Looks very inviting compared to the 0%, undated, irredeemable loan notes I invested in BU. Was very surprised when I got my money back - wasn't expecting that! Nor was Dad but he nevered lived to receive it so I got that too as executor and beneficiary!
 

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I'm shocked at how good the uptake has been to be honest. Didn't appeal to me but perhaps there are a few very rich die hards out there.

Good luck tomorrow Bees! Very annoyingly I was offered a ticket for the game tomorrow that I had to turn down as I've got family commitments. I'm keen to see the new stadium soon and this would have been perfect as playing against Chelsea would enable me to give full throated support. Do them good and proper please.
 

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Open to correction, but I can't see even medium-sized institutions being interested in so piddling a scheme as this (looking to raise less than £10m, I think?)

While it may not even be permissable for funds to invest clients' money in a scheme like this (complaince, safe-guarding etc).

Nor is there likely to be any secondary market in the bonds if a fund wanted to move their investment before the five years is up.

When you look at the way it's presented, this one is very much for small investors and QPR ones at that (see eg the "promotion bonus")

What puzzles me is why the club needs to do this, when the whole training ground development is "only" going to cost £20m, which is peanuts for some of their owners. Surely they could at least borrow the money themselves at lower rates than they're offering?
Is there not potential for some mischief from the owners here.

I don't know the details of the financial health of the club but could they not "restructure" debts two or three years down the line with a trip in to administration. Say if they were mid-table and could bear the points deduction. All of these unsecured non-preferential creditors would end up with little or nothing from their investment. As you say if investing in QPR is so low risk why don't the owners do it themselves...
 

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Is there not potential for some mischief from the owners here.

I don't know the details of the financial health of the club but could they not "restructure" debts two or three years down the line with a trip in to administration. Say if they were mid-table and could bear the points deduction. All of these unsecured non-preferential creditors would end up with little or nothing from their investment. As you say if investing in QPR is so low risk why don't the owners do it themselves...
Think you'll find they have to the tune of several hundred millions of pounds that have been converted to nearly worthless equity over the last 10 years or so.
 

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I listened to the business of sport podcast on the athletic yesterday which was about this and twice they begrudgingly praised us as did Les Ferdinand although he referred to us doing the moneyball thing.seems like their owners are just tight arses
 

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Watching them on red button. Barbet almost scored a beauty. Just hit the post. So close to scoring. For Blackburn. :ROFLMAO: Otherwise, crap game in a half empty library. :(
 

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It's not their leaky defence or their patchy form of late but the physical demands put on their players by the congested fixture schedule that is to blame for possible player burn-out.

Apparently he was supposed to be on TALKsport this morning, highlighting 7 games in 21 games as a mitigating factor for having the 4th worst defence in the Championship this season.
 

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It's not their leaky defence or their patchy form of late but the physical demands put on their players by the congested fixture schedule that is to blame for possible player burn-out.

Apparently he was supposed to be on TALKsport this morning, highlighting 7 games in 21 games as a mitigating factor for having the 4th worst defence in the Championship this season.
Wow!! There's 3 worse defences?!!!
 

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Roll on the Warbs express

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BREAKINGSunderland progress​

QPR 1-1 Sunderland (1-3 pens)
Yoann Barbet skies his penalty and Sunderland are into the quarter-finals!
 

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I was certain we’d get the quarter pounders in the quarter finals (if we get past the Stokies, of course)...
 
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