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There is talk in Newcastle about the Saudies building a new 75/80k stadium for our club , but loads of our fans dead against it ,, did it affect your thinking of the club when you moved
 

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There is talk in Newcastle about the Saudies building a new 75/80k stadium for our club , but loads of our fans dead against it ,, did it affect your thinking of the club when you moved
No because it was the fans who came up with the idea and proved that the location could host a football ground.

Our previous owner wanted to move us to Surrey.
 

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There is talk in Newcastle about the Saudies building a new 75/80k stadium for our club , but loads of our fans dead against it ,, did it affect your thinking of the club when you moved
We didn’t have Newcastle’s ground on our mind, we were concentrating on ours.
 

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i think it would be crazy to move from SJP . Surely you could just develop that ?
 
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They can’t make it much bigger as their is a big listed building right behind the East Stand , then the Fat **** Ashley sold the car park behind the gallowgate for next to nothing just before he left
 

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You'd have to move out of town I assume which would completely ruin the trade the city centre gets from away support each week. This sounds a bit like "be careful what you wish for". It's not like SJP is a sh*t ground (I assume the Sports Direct signage has gone).
 
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You'd have to move out of town I assume which would completely ruin the trade the town centre gets from away support each week. This sounds a bit like "be careful what you wish for". It's not like SJP is a sh*t ground (I assume the Sports Direct signage has gone).
Nope still there till end of season , he had it written into the contract sale ,
 

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There is talk in Newcastle about the Saudies building a new 75/80k stadium for our club , but loads of our fans dead against it ,, did it affect your thinking of the club when you moved
The difference for us was that Griffin park wasn't fit for purpose. Most of us were sad to leave the old girl, but Lionel Road is great. I don't think the same applies for Newcastle.
 

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Count the hundreds of pubs around St James Park... Consider how many pubs there will be at an out of town / city stadium in the middle of an industrial state.

We needed a new ground due to TV facilities, gantries, match day revenue, dressing room size, lack of hospitality and terraces... You don't
 

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Could you have not developed your old ground
No, too crammed in by terraced houses. We had a big stand which was knocked down in the 90's and then the land sold for flats.
 
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There is talk of building the new ground on the site of the arena where the bands play , it’s only a 12k seater but has loads of land around it , so ideal as it’s still in city centre plus the arena is closing and moving to the quayside in the next year or 2
 

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Looking at SJP and the facilities it has with al the pubs etc around it................ I would question such a move.

I sort of agree with rebus. Is it really needed?
 

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There is talk in Newcastle about the Saudies building a new 75/80k stadium for our club , but loads of our fans dead against it ,, did it affect your thinking of the club when you moved
I’m sure you could probably fill a bigger ground, particularly if they also delivered a consistent PL top 6 team. It would also be nice as an away fan not to have to watch through binoculars from high altitude.

But is there any real need? Most Bees miss Griffin Park but understood years before the move it could never really support any ambition. The lack of premium and corporate facilities was if anything a bigger issue in the Championship and L1 where stadium revenues are a much larger proportion of income than in the PL. Moving round the corner to an unique ground that fits us was generally approved even if we moan about getting tickets and some regret it not being 20-25k.

If you move it is not going to be anywhere in the city centre. That cracking weekend away we’ve all looked forward to and which you enjoy fortnightly is gone if you end up with a megabowl in an industrial estate. Many of you were upset at Ashley for not giving a damn about your history and identity. Do you really want to embrace folks who want to demolish it completely?
 

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Could you have not developed your old ground
No- surrounded by housing on all sides and with London prices each 2 up 2 down terrace would cost £6-700k to buy out even if they were willing. Selling the land for housing takes advantage of that and helped pay for the new ground.
 

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Griffin Park was great, but was absolutely not fit for a modern football stadium (League Two it could serve fine I suppose, but certainly not League One or above).

Bare in mind that Griffin Park did not come anywhere near meeting Championship regulations (media facilities, lighting, the fact that it had a terrace, changing rooms waay too small, zero hospitality boxes...and I could go on!). But they let us off due the fact that we were building a new ground, which indicated we were doing what we could to sort it. Effectively it would be unreasonable to ask us to convert to seating for a high expense when it'd serve a couple of seasons only, so we had special dispensation.

I honestly don't know why you'd look to move from SJP, it's a great stadium and huge! Certain stadiums clubs just can't leave, they're too iconic and I would put yours in there. I'm guessing there are modern elements that an older stadium like yours wouldn't have, but I honestly think the club could easily thrive at SJP. As a fan I personally hope you stay.

As for how it affected our fanbase being in the new stadium....honestly it's really hard to answer that as we also moved into the Prem at the same time, so demand for tickets etc soared and everyone in the town wants to go regardless of who they support. It's great to see, but at the same time feels slightly more artificial knowing that people who could have gone two years ago but didn't...suddenly really want a ticket. The feel has changed slightly but honestly it's probably due to Prem status than the stadium.

We had fans on the process to pick the site, and the club consulted with fans a fair amount (but not always). We had a ground that prioritised things like atmosphere and accessibility, rather than just be a boring bowl that fits as many in.

Sorry for the long answer! But honestly, it depends what sort of venue your new owners would build. If it's a 'fit as many in as possible' than it will be a soulless bowl. If they prioritise things like atmosphere and do what Tottenham and ourselves did, it could be very good. But I honestly can't see you moving from SJP, I just think it's too engrained in the Newcastle mindset for it to really proceed.
 
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There is talk in Newcastle about the Saudies building a new 75/80k stadium for our club , but loads of our fans dead against it ,, did it affect your thinking of the club when you moved
The only thinking it affected for me was when I went to our League Cup tie with Forest Green Rovers and I saw 5,000 tourists on a day trip paying £10 for a ticket and eating pizzas form massive boxes and I thought to myself... "Thank God we didn't build this place any bigger"
 

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There is talk in Newcastle about the Saudies building a new 75/80k stadium for our club , but loads of our fans dead against it ,, did it affect your thinking of the club when you moved

Sad to leave GP but Brentford had to move into a new stadium for reasons mentioned above. Do Newcastle have to move? No is the answer but I do see 'talk' being accurate. The new owners give an impression of wanting to be the biggest and best sporting ownership in the world (I'm sure they'll add to their sporting portfolio). With the money behind them an eye catching new stadium at the centre of that worldwide portfolio is more than possible. They'll be good to the local communuity but ultimately every decision taken by your new owners will have a worldwide view more than a local view in terms of their media coverage and reputation as owners.

I think over time fans being against any of the owners long term strategy will have very little impact on their decisions and what they push ahead with.
 
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Surprised if the city's population is large enough for an 80k stadium. As has been said above, it's probably just new owners trying to have a long, long honeymoon period.
 

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Amanda & Co could make a start by removing the faintly ridiculous 4' slope on their pitch.
 

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There is talk in Newcastle about the Saudies building a new 75/80k stadium for our club , but loads of our fans dead against it ,, did it affect your thinking of the club when you moved
We all loved Griffin Park, but it was evident we had to move to develop as a club. Only real objections from some was sharing with London Irish, and the colour of the seats.
 

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Sounds like they just want to wag their willy's and say they've got the biggest, I mean it's not like they need the extra income. I wouldn't want them just rolling up like that and a few days later wanting to flatten my beloved home ground for no real reason, you sure they understand what passion fans have for their ground and club?
 
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The irony cannot be understated here.
Apparently Ashley was stripping away the heritage and ruining the club, but this lot apparently want to move you out of your ground, and possibly out of your town, and are welcomed with open arms.
Cash is king.
 

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Two completely different situations, IMO. The two cannot be compared.

I miss Griffin Park and the old days, but we had to move on to progress to that next level, no doubt about it, not even worth going into finer detail.

I wouldn’t say your situation is even the same as Man City, Maine Road was in much worse a state than St James Park therefore even that was much greater needed.

Can’t see the need tbh, apart from if it’s what your owners think you need to take you to the next level but then again these owners aren’t football people.
 

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......why do I think the OP is having a backhand dig.....wtf has a 17800K stadium got in common with a so called 80K stadium..........is this just another 'mine's bigger than yours' piece of tripe...... honestly.......as for weasel..... he's one of our own you clown.....behave.
 

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......why do I think the OP is having a backhand dig.....wtf has a 17800K stadium got in common with a so called 80K stadium..........is this just another 'mine's bigger than yours' piece of tripe...... honestly.......as for weasel..... he's one of our own you clown.....behave.
I think the common thing is moving from a much loved traditional home to a new stadium. He’s not really had a dig, except at rebus who’s as good at dishing out as he is at receiving and as one of our own is defended.
 

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They can’t make it much bigger as their is a big listed building right behind the East Stand , then the Fat **** Ashley sold the car park behind the gallowgate for next to nothing just before he left
I think it's to do with the Georgian houses that are entitled to light under the old Ancient Lights Act similar IIRC to us not being able to put a roof on Ealing Road years ago.
 

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Could you have not developed your old ground
The Saudis actually wanted to buy Brentford FC originally.

But then they looked into an Estate Agent's window on Brentford High Street and thought: "Sod that, let's try somewhere more within our price range..."

You'll see it on the next episode of "Escape to the Country".
 

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I think it's to do with the Georgian houses that are entitled to light under the old Ancient Lights Act similar IIRC to us not being able to put a roof on Ealing Road years ago.
Though I think that terrace is all offices for the university so possibly easier to buy out of its rights than a load of residential owner occupiers.
 

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Didn't think you were tbh, but the Geordie would have been very pissed off if I had called him a Weasel when he first appears on our GPG.
Geordies are weasely offended, whereas Bees fans are stoatally different.

(I'm here all week)
 

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Ticket and matchday revenue is a small % income for a PL club, especially a big one like Newcastle.

Much better off keeping their soul, and their existing, iconic (and already pretty massive) stadium.

The alternative will involve moving out of the city centre to a ground with no history for an extra 10k on the gate?
 

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Ticket and matchday revenue is a small % income for a PL club, especially a big one like Newcastle.
I know people often say this and obviously there's a good deal of truth in it.

That said, why do you think already rich big clubs like Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool and Man U etc have either expanded their capacity already, or are planning to do so?

English clubs are already the richest in Europe, but will still spend more if it gives them an extra 5% advantage over the rest.
Much better off keeping their soul, and their existing, iconic (and already pretty massive) stadium.

The alternative will involve moving out of the city centre to a ground with no history for an extra 10k on the gate?
Speaking as a football fan, you're absolutely correct.

But speaking as a Saudi with money no object, they want the biggest/best/shiniest to showcase their wonderful country etc.

With the added advantage that when the rest of the PL tightens the FFP rules to prevent them simply pouring money in, then they may be more dependant upon proper football revenue than you might think.
 

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Ticket and matchday revenue is a small % income for a PL club, especially a big one like Newcastle.

Much better off keeping their soul, and their existing, iconic (and already pretty massive) stadium.

The alternative will involve moving out of the city centre to a ground with no history for an extra 10k on the gate?
Look at hospitality prices for Liverpool and think again! 😥
 

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I think the common thing is moving from a much loved traditional home to a new stadium. He’s not really had a dig, except at rebus who’s as good at dishing out as he is at receiving and as one of our own is defended.
....fair enough....build the new stjames on a platform in the North sea then.... traditional and unique.
 
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Geordies are weasely offended, whereas Bees fans are stoatally different.

(I'm here all week)
I learnt a long time ago how to offend a Newcastle fan and it was simply shout Sunderland with passion in their faces and all of a sudden they are different people.
 
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