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They really emphasise Brentford rather than West London.
Kurupt FM(Kurupt FM) is wonderful (is wonderful) Kurupt FM is wonderful its full of Beats, Decoy and Grindah oh Brentford is wonderful.
Or Steves or Mich or Chabuddy.
Brentford FC, the rest are irrelevant.
 

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I presume most who contributed don’t travel, they’d be having a more difficult Sunday than most, I reckon this thread has made this song more popular.
Indeed, and interestingly sung with gusto by a couple of young ladies accompanying their 80 odd year old grandmother yesterday, I kid you not! 🤣🤣
 

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When shall we ban bad language? My wife comes to the home games and my daughter has many times too. They never heard either of them complain about bad language or “tits, fanny and football”. We’re talking about a working class game, not croquet!

I haven't a clue what your family thinks and I wouldn't like to presume anything but I bet there are a lot of people who
have never complained who simultaneously aren't comfortable with it.
 

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Each to their own but as a father of 3 girls, all of whom have been to Brentford with me, I don't personally have an issue with this song, or most songs for that matter as long as not outright racist etc.

I'm sure people will say hypocritical based on sexism but I kind of take the view that kids/daughters/sons are going to hear and see certain things at football that they wouldn't hear at home, and my decision/option is whether I choose to take them or not.
 

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I haven't a clue what your family thinks and I wouldn't like to presume anything but I bet there are a lot of people who
have never complained who simultaneously aren't comfortable with it.
Uncomfortable with the song or the bad language? The world has become too full of the “pc and snowflake brigade “. Some things need changing but a few words in a football song? No. There’s far worse things in the world to worry about than that.
 

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Uncomfortable with the song or the bad language? The world has become too full of the “pc and snowflake brigade “. Some things need changing but a few words in a football song? No. There’s far worse things in the world to worry about than that.

In one sense I agree - Afghanistan or Brentford chant? But since I've been going to Brentford I've always felt there is something particularly unpleasant about the chant.
 

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Each to their own but as a father of 3 girls, all of whom have been to Brentford with me, I don't personally have an issue with this song, or most songs for that matter as long as not outright racist etc.

I'm sure people will say hypocritical based on sexism but I kind of take the view that kids/daughters/sons are going to hear and see certain things at football that they wouldn't hear at home, and my decision/option is whether I choose to take them or not.
Genuinely interested, why is racism the only thing that is completely unacceptable in a chant?
 

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Uncomfortable with the song or the bad language? The world has become too full of the “pc and snowflake brigade “. Some things need changing but a few words in a football song? No. There’s far worse things in the world to worry about than that.
Following that logic that we only worry about and try to fix the worst possible things in the world, wouldn’t that apply to virtually every thing anyone has ever complained about or suggested needed consideration or addressing on this forum and mean none of them are worthy of discussion or action?
 

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Following that logic that we only worry about and try to fix the worst possible things in the world, wouldn’t that apply to virtually every thing anyone has ever complained about or suggested needed consideration or addressing on this forum and mean none of them are worthy of discussion or action?
You are welcome to apply what ever logic you wish and you are welcome to consider and discuss what ever you wish but we can’t sanitise every slightly bawdy song or ban something because someone doesn’t like it. We would end up banning everything.
 

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Despite having a daughter myself I don’t have particularly strong feelings about this chant one or the other.

I would say that in the context of songs still being sung (not by us) about Munich, Hillsborough and Istanbul it’s probably not all that bad.
 
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....told my 16 yr old son this particular chant was being discussed on the GPG....'why'....was his retort...'tits,fannies,and Brentford' I replied.....'really'....he said.....then just carried on messin about on his phone totally disinterested in any further conversation on the topic...ah well.
 

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Indeed, and interestingly sung with gusto by a couple of young ladies accompanying their 80 odd year old grandmother yesterday, I kid you not! 🤣🤣
That is interesting.. Everything is open to interpretation and if you think about it. The song is about 'wonderful' ****, ***** and Brentford. I've never thought it was being sung in a malicious way and girls that I've been at games with have found it funny
 

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I can't make out the offending words, because of the awful diction. Singing, or attempting to sing "west London is wonderful", sounds naff to my Brentford, Middlesex trained ears. Naffness at football, like stale cheese and onion pies, is not a crime.
 

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The “Jordan Ayew, your brother’s a c***” song at Palace last week, whilst factually correct, had a lady in front of me cover her ears in discomfort. Not a good thing to witness IMHO.
 

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You are welcome to apply what ever logic you wish and you are welcome to consider and discuss what ever you wish but we can’t sanitise every slightly bawdy song or ban something because someone doesn’t like it. We would end up banning everything.
I’m pretty sure no one on this thread, including the OP, has suggested the song should be banned, just discussing people’s views on it and whether it’s something they’d like us, as a fan base, to keep singing.

Realistically, a thread on his is unlikely to ‘kill off’ a chant, that can only happen organically if the majority (or in this case minority as its never sung by the entire away end) decide to stop singing it.

I’m not overly concerned with whether the chant continues and, like others, can make my own choices as to whether to bring my daughter, other females or other children. However, I would be interested to see if those supporting a laissez faire approach and/or stating if people don’t like it they don’t need to attend are consistent in applying this approach or whether other things will rile them and see them wanting a different outcome and more intervention.

 

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That is interesting.. Everything is open to interpretation and if you think about it. The song is about 'wonderful' ****, ***** and Brentford. I've never thought it was being sung in a malicious way and girls that I've been at games with have found it funny
Most of my posts on this subject seem to be removed even though they are quite thought provoking.

You don't think that song is malicious, but perhaps you'd agree that it is reducing women (your wife, mother and daughters) to a sexual object who only has one use in men's minds and society. Sorry if I'm not one of the "Bring back Page 3" brigade.
 
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The “Jordan Ayew, your brother’s a c***” song at Palace last week, whilst factually correct, had a lady in front of me cover her ears in discomfort. Not a good thing to witness IMHO.
Did you stop singing, or did you manage to soldier on through your discomfort? :sneakoff:
 

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Did you stop singing, or did you manage to soldier on through your discomfort? :sneakoff:
😂 I had the youngster standing next to me so wasn’t going to sing it anyway. I agree with the sentiment of the song though - important to clarify that - but it definitely made the female fan very uncomfortable, which isn’t great I think :(
 

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I can't make out the offending words, because of the awful diction. Singing, or attempting to sing "west London is wonderful", sounds naff to my Brentford, Middlesex trained ears. Naffness at football, like stale cheese and onion pies, is not a crime.
On this theme, I always found it ironically amusing when Bees fans sang “if you can’t speak proper shut your maaf” at opposition fans, northern ones in particular, or, prior to TW8’s recent gentrification, the “in your northern slums”.
 

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On this theme, I always found it ironically amusing when Bees fans sang “if you can’t speak proper shut your maaf” at opposition fans, northern ones in particular, or, prior to TW8’s recent gentrification, the “in your northern slums”.
I always thought the “Can’t talk proppa” song was sang with the intention of it being slightly ironic?
 

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The “you’re only here for the Brentford” song makes me cringe .. I’m sure 40k Villa fans would have been there for whoever they played!!
Arsenal did that to Brentford for our first ever Premier League game. It's just a generic, rubbish chant that everyone recycles.

I echo your view.
 

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I must admit, I've never really thought too deeply about most football chants down the years. It's all part of football culture and I've never stopped to think whether singing 'you're only here for the Brentford' or 'we're by far the greatest team' are factually correct and therefore somehow embarrassing. Surely it's just part and parcel of a day out.

I can't get too bothered or offended by it all.
 

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I must admit, I've never really thought too deeply about most football chants down the years. It's all part of football culture and I've never stopped to think whether singing 'you're only here for the Brentford' or 'we're by far the greatest team' are factually correct and therefore somehow embarrassing. Surely it's just part and parcel of a day out.

I can't get too bothered or offended by it all.
Some folk love having something to moan about, next home game there will pages about the temperature of the bitter and low chickpea count in the Morroccan Vegetarian Balti
 

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The “you’re only here for the Brentford” song makes me cringe .. I’m sure 40k Villa fans would have been there for whoever they played!!
Isn’t that the point? It’s meant to be ironic.

Maybe was should we just pack in all the chants altogether and go with a generic “let’s go Brentford” like they do in the US?

I don’t much care what people sing one way or the other but given the ‘playlist’ is already a fraction of what it was in the past I’m inclined to let the youngsters/singers get on with it.
 

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Some folk love having something to moan about, next home game there will pages about the temperature of the bitter and low chickpea count in the Morroccan Vegetarian Balti
It would be a bit naive to think complaining about beer temperature and chickpea count can have any comparison to racist and sexist insults and chants, which might not offend you or me, but it does others.

I think too many people believe you can do and say things at football that you wouldn't do elsewhere in society?
 

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It would be a bit naive to think complaining about beer temperature and chickpea count can have any comparison to racist and sexist insults and chants, which might not offend you or me, but it does others.

I think too many people believe you can do and say things at football that you wouldn't do elsewhere in society?
Can’t you? Isn’t football the last bastion where people can go, let off steam, vent their spleen at and insult oppo players and officials?
I wouldn’t argue that some of the really offensive stuff needs to be retired as the demographics of football fans is slowly changing but let’s not turn football stadiums into sterile, PC, atmosphere free venues like Craven Cottage
 

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Can’t you? Isn’t football the last bastion where people can go, let off steam, vent their spleen at and insult oppo players and officials?
Erm no, maybe you should try to understand why you need to do that.
I wouldn’t argue that some of the really offensive stuff needs to be retired as the demographics of football fans is slowly changing but let’s not turn football stadiums into sterile, PC, atmosphere free venues like Craven Cottage
The atmosphere is better generated with songs and noise that support the players, rather than venting insults at random people?
 

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Erm no, maybe you should try to understand why you need to do that.

The atmosphere is better generated with songs and noise that support the players, rather than venting insults at random people?
Let’s agree to disagree and would imagine that many Bees and football supporters Worldwide choose not to understand. Football rivalry and edgy, confrontational chants and songs have been part and parcel of football for over 130 years + so not sure it’s one of the priorities on a list to change
 

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Can’t you? Isn’t football the last bastion where people can go, let off steam, vent their spleen at and insult oppo players and officials?
I wouldn’t argue that some of the really offensive stuff needs to be retired as the demographics of football fans is slowly changing but let’s not turn football stadiums into sterile, PC, atmosphere free venues like Craven Cottage
There are few settings in daily life where I can shout “oi ref you effing c***” and have a few thousand agree so yes, we need to keep football as a place you can let it go. But even then, shouting that for 90 mins while stood with a load of kids around is a bit off even at football. And time and acceptable attitudes move on. So avoiding gratuitous and offputting insult to our fellow fans is good.

We have a test of this coming up. In the past it would have been routine to make homophobic chants against Brighton. I don’t think we have the last couple of times I’ve seen us play them and hope the “its freeze peach innit” lot don’t take us backwards any more than we’d throw bananas at our black players or go to the Womens Euros and chant “get yer tits out for the lads”.
 

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There are few settings in daily life where I can shout “oi ref you effing c***” and have a few thousand agree so yes, we need to keep football as a place you can let it go. But even then, shouting that for 90 mins while stood with a load of kids around is a bit off even at football. And time and acceptable attitudes move on. So avoiding gratuitous and offputting insult to our fellow fans is good.

We have a test of this coming up. In the past it would have been routine to make homophobic chants against Brighton. I don’t think we have the last couple of times I’ve seen us play them and hope the “its freeze peach innit” lot don’t take us backwards any more than we’d throw bananas at our black players or go to the Womens Euros and chant “get yer tits out for the lads”.
Agree 100% and not suggesting for one minute it’s ok to shout racist, homophobic or sexist insults anymore, that was then and the World has moved on for the better.
Your first sentence sums it up for me, don’t bring your kids if you really think you or they will be offended at hearing expletives but ask yourself if they attend a school or college I’d be amazed if they were.
 
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There are few settings in daily life where I can shout “oi ref you effing c***” and have a few thousand agree so yes, we need to keep football as a place you can let it go. But even then, shouting that for 90 mins while stood with a load of kids around is a bit off even at football. And time and acceptable attitudes move on. So avoiding gratuitous and offputting insult to our fellow fans is good.

We have a test of this coming up. In the past it would have been routine to make homophobic chants against Brighton. I don’t think we have the last couple of times I’ve seen us play them and hope the “its freeze peach innit” lot don’t take us backwards any more than we’d throw bananas at our black players or go to the Womens Euros and chant “get yer tits out for the lads”.
Well put, it's good to recognise that we have moved on from those comments of the past, which I too have joined in when I was 16, but now being a more worldly 60+ I know different. I still love a good banter with away fans, but try to be aware of some words and comments used.
 
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Well put, it's good to recognise that we have moved on from those comments of the past, which I too have joined in when I was 16, but now being a more worldly 60+ I know different. I still love a good banter with away fans, but try to be aware of some words and comments used.
I’m sure our foul-mouthed 16 year old supporters will also grow out of it, in time.
Let them vent, like you used to… 🐝🐝🐝
 

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Well put, it's good to recognise that we have moved on from those comments of the past, which I too have joined in when I was 16, but now being a more worldly 60+ I know different. I still love a good banter with away fans, but try to be aware of some words and comments used.
Outside of grounds, I hold doors open to all, moan at blokes who aren’t thankful though, am very nice to people and protect weaker people at all times, that number is diminishing daily. I smile at people in the street and say hello and chat to kids who speak to me when out with their parents.
I love animals and give a bit to animal charities.
Then I go to football and I hate the enemy for 90 mins, genuinely spoke to Villa fans in the pub beforehand and all the way in the train back to Northampton afterwards, during the game I detest their fans, players and the ref, all sent to spoil my day, I use language I wouldn’t anywhere else, don’t like the knee, clapping Saka or Watkins but deal easily with it, that’s up to others l, I’m afraid you need to accept that you and I can’t tell people how to behave at a pastime that is built of rivalry and tribalism, I was told that the subject song of this thread has been noted and would be sung at VP, it was, you might have to switch off for 4 seconds a bit like Konza did after 7 mins.
 

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A proper Moroccan balti will have Sahara Sand in it and some flies.
Have a check on those chickpeas.
If there’s one thing we should retire, it’s this strange British obsession with naming anything vaguely North African ‘Moroccan’. What because it has chickpeas in it? Balti is bloody south Asian anyway; it doesn’t even make any sense. Such a terrible, terrible name. One of best players in recent history is Algerian and we can even serve a decent bit of Maghrebi grub? Now that is offensive.
 

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It's not discriminatory and certainly not unique to Brentford, in fact it probably surfaces at every football club in the country, but if there is one chant that definitely should be consigned to Room 101 sooner rather than later it has to be:
"...you're f****in' s**t, you're f****in' s**t, you're f****in' s**t" (repeat, repeat).
 

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If there’s one thing we should retire, it’s this strange British obsession with naming anything vaguely North African ‘Moroccan’. What because it has chickpeas in it? Balti is bloody south Asian anyway; it doesn’t even make any sense. Such a terrible, terrible name. One of best players in recent history is Algerian and we can even serve a decent bit of Maghrebi grub? Now that is offensive.

Morocco is Maghrebi, habibi :)
 

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Balti is the small iron bowl it is served in, so a dish, not a specific dish. It’s been hijacked in Birmingham to mean a food type. So a ‘Balti Pie’ is an oxymoron.
« Moroccan » is usually a description for food that is flavoured with ras-el-hanout spice mix.
 

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Balti is the small iron bowl it is served in, so a dish, not a specific dish. It’s been hijacked in Birmingham to mean a food type. So a ‘Balti Pie’ is an oxymoron.
« Moroccan » is usually a description for food that is flavoured with ras-el-hanout spice mix.

I've never understood this, most would know it's named after the dish but surely everything gets named after something doesn't it? Two bits of bread with something in the middle doesn't work very well for example.
 

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I think this thread should now be retired . I can't believe the amount of mood hoovers that have appeared on here.

It seems the 'oh west London' chant is out of favour ,
Of course fans of big Premier League teams aren't just 'here for the Brentford' , of course we aren't 'super' , or 'by far the greatest team the world has ever seen' If I look at wikipedia , we aren't the 'Red Army' either. I'm now starting to wonder if we are allowed to sing 'Hey Jude' because of possible copyright infringement.

After god knows how long away from football, can't we just let our vocal chords go a bit, generate a bit of atmosphere. Have a bit of, you know , fun.
I think 99.9% of fans know where to draw the line and what is offensive and what isn't. ( sorry Banana I can't back up that statistic)

I wont sing the 'you're f****g s**t' song just because I believe you should have more normal words than curse words in a song, but by god, anything with a sense of irony or humour ,and creates a bit of noise surely should be encouraged, lest we turn into an Arsenal crowd at the Emirates.
 

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I think this thread should now be retired . I can't believe the amount of mood hoovers that have appeared on here.

It seems the 'oh west London' chant is out of favour ,
Of course fans of big Premier League teams aren't just 'here for the Brentford' , of course we aren't 'super' , or 'by far the greatest team the world has ever seen' If I look at wikipedia , we aren't the 'Red Army' either. I'm now starting to wonder if we are allowed to sing 'Hey Jude' because of possible copyright infringement.

After god knows how long away from football, can't we just let our vocal chords go a bit, generate a bit of atmosphere. Have a bit of, you know , fun.
I think 99.9% of fans know where to draw the line and what is offensive and what isn't. ( sorry Banana I can't back up that statistic)

I wont sing the 'you're f****g s**t' song just because I believe you should have more normal words than curse words in a song, but by god, anything with a sense of irony or humour ,and creates a bit of noise surely should be encouraged, lest we turn into an Arsenal crowd at the Emirates.

And of course northerners don’t look in the dustbin for something to, oh, hang on
 

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I'd like to consign to the dustbin "Let him die" when an oppo player is down. Heard it a number of times today.
 
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