Retiring an outdated chant

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I'd like to consign to the dustbin "Let him die" when an oppo player is down. Heard it a number of times today.
For someone that’s cheating by justing Stay on the ground to dispute play. Have a lie down and think about what sport you want to watch
 

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I meant why does the poster want it consigned to the dustbin.
Because thinking about recent events maybe they are, so that would be crass of the highest order.

Also what the hell would you get out of singing it? do you point aggressively whilst singing it too?
 

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I also think we should only sing “it’s all your fault” if it blatantly is with no doubt. If there is some chance that really it was someone else’s fault like a defender or just a really good shot then it’s a bit nasty on the innocent goalie man. In the dustbin please
 

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I also think we should only sing “it’s all your fault” if it blatantly is with no doubt. If there is some chance that really it was someone else’s fault like a defender or just a really good shot then it’s a bit nasty on the innocent goalie man. In the dustbin please
Happened at my local the other day, 20 year old keeper on loan from Forest, 3 1 win and was pelted with abuse, think it was taken a bit far especially as he was young an it was his first time in the league, well Papa John's Trophy, maybe next time he shouldn't concede 3 goals eh? That'll teach him
 

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"There's only one Matthew Benham", because actually...there's quite a few. Clearly needs to be dumped as a gross misrepresentation of the truth.
 

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It wouldn't be sung if there was a serious injury.

How many songs will we have left after you lot have finished?
How would we know whether it was a serious injury? Picture people laughing as Tommy Cooper collapsed through the stage curtains. Anyway, it's a proper f***ing rubbish chant.
 

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You think that's an acceptable thing to chant? I'm astounded.
Like most things, it depends on the context.

Were Leeds fans singing “leave him there to die” at the weekend to Harvey Elliott? If they were they certainly weren’t when it became apparent he was seriously hurt.

I’m more astounded that you can’t distinguish context to be honest.
 

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How would we know whether it was a serious injury? Picture people laughing as Tommy Cooper collapsed through the stage curtains. Anyway, it's a proper f***ing rubbish chant.
Have you never laughed at a friend when they’ve fallen over or something and then stopped when you’ve realised they’ve actually hurt themselves? Is it not the same thing?
 

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How would we know whether it was a serious injury? Picture people laughing as Tommy Cooper collapsed through the stage curtains. Anyway, it's a proper f***ing rubbish chant.

I think it's pretty obvious within about 10 seconds if an injury is serious. If someone is obviously in extreme discomfort and you sing "let him die" then I would agree, but I haven't seen that happen in 30 years of supporting Brentford.

In the past few weeks we have been told to get rid of:

Hey Jude - boring/naff/common

Oh West London - sexist (agree with this, rewording needed)

By far the greatest team - not factual

You're sh*t ahhhh - not factual

It's all your fault - not factual

Celebration - Naff

Let him die - offensive

Honestly I like to think of myself as pretty socially aware (woke for all you Daily Mail readers) but this is just getting silly now.
 

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Have you never laughed at a friend when they’ve fallen over or something and then stopped when you’ve realised they’ve actually hurt themselves? Is it not the same thing?
How do you know that Tommy Cooper wasn't my best mate?
 

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Have you never laughed at a friend when they’ve fallen over or something and then stopped when you’ve realised they’ve actually hurt themselves? Is it not the same thing?
Maybe, but that wasn't my point. It's still a crap chant but you crack on, mate.
 

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I also think we should only sing “it’s all your fault” if it blatantly is with no doubt. If there is some chance that really it was someone else’s fault like a defender or just a really good shot then it’s a bit nasty on the innocent goalie man. In the dustbin please
It's gonna be your fault, which was sung on Saturday, as the Brighton keeper came towards us before the game, should also be put in Room 101.
 

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4 blokes behind me last Saturday kept Effing and C and continually and shouting that Dunk was a peodo and a predator. It doesn’t worry me at all as i’ve heard it all before, but it was uncomfortable when a frail old couple 2 rows in front kept looking around and a couple of rows in front of them were loads of kids.
I certainly don’t want football to lose it’s edge but they should just be aware.
 

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4 blokes behind me last Saturday kept Effing and C and continually and shouting that Dunk was a peodo and a predator. It doesn’t worry me at all as i’ve heard it all before, but it was uncomfortable when a frail old couple 2 rows in front kept looking around and a couple of rows in front of them were loads of kids.
I certainly don’t want football to lose it’s edge but they should just be aware.
What part of the ground and which half please?
 

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Like most things, it depends on the context.

Were Leeds fans singing “leave him there to die” at the weekend to Harvey Elliott? If they were they certainly weren’t when it became apparent he was seriously hurt.

I’m more astounded that you can’t distinguish context to be honest.
Quite- I think where it is obvious there’s a chance someone has been badly injured few if any fans would sing it and if any started they’d stop (or be shushed) very quickly and feel very bad about it. It’s for cases where someone looks to be obviously faking and to be used sparingly and not taken literally. If we remove all metaphor from football chants we lose all the fun and might as well go straight to Jazz Hands and clappers.
 

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Thomas Frank’s barmy army ffs, look at us, hardly any military training amongst us, the softest generation since time began, not a nice or very apt song.
Not to mention making it seem like Thomas is controlling those of us with mental health issues, the ones who sing that song anyway, and is making us move against his enemies... probably.
 

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I think it's pretty obvious within about 10 seconds if an injury is serious. If someone is obviously in extreme discomfort and you sing "let him die" then I would agree, but I haven't seen that happen in 30 years of supporting Brentford.

In the past few weeks we have been told to get rid of:

Hey Jude - boring/naff/common

Oh West London - sexist (agree with this, rewording needed)

By far the greatest team - not factual

You're sh*t ahhhh - not factual

It's all your fault - not factual

Celebration - Naff

Let him die - offensive

Honestly I like to think of myself as pretty socially aware (woke for all you Daily Mail readers) but this is just getting silly now.
Isn't the main reason we chants song is to encourage and support our players, so whether they're naff or not factual is irrelevant. What is being discussed really is those of us who feel the need to vent anger and insults at opposition players whilst offending fellow supporters.

Oh West London should just be binned as it's sexist and has had it's time along with past racist and homophobic chants.
 

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What part of the ground and which half please?
4 blokes behind me last Saturday kept Effing and C and continually and shouting that Dunk was a peodo and a predator. It doesn’t worry me at all as i’ve heard it all before, but it was uncomfortable when a frail old couple 2 rows in front kept looking around and a couple of rows in front of them were loads of kids.
I certainly don’t want football to lose it’s edge but they should just be aware.
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I think it's pretty obvious within about 10 seconds if an injury is serious. If someone is obviously in extreme discomfort and you sing "let him die" then I would agree, but I haven't seen that happen in 30 years of supporting Brentford.

In the past few weeks we have been told to get rid of:

Hey Jude - boring/naff/common

Oh West London - sexist (agree with this, rewording needed)

By far the greatest team - not factual

You're sh*t ahhhh - not factual

It's all your fault - not factual

Celebration - Naff

Let him die - offensive

Honestly I like to think of myself as pretty socially aware (woke for all you Daily Mail readers) but this is just getting silly now.

Yeah, but there is only one (perhaps two) here where there were particular objections based on offensiveness: the West London chant and perhaps Let him die. I agree with you that the first one could be easily resolved by the rewording of one sentence, though I can't say I expect this to happen any time soon. On the second one, it is generally a tiny minority of people who actually sing this. Personally, I think it is a bit stupid but not really worth worrying about.
 

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I've been a season ticket holder for a number of years and generally think what we sing as a fanbase is great - passionate, positive and rightfully taking some shots at those inferior West London rivals. The one exception to this is the "oh West London is wonderful..." chant. I'm sure people will disagree with this, saying it is just a bit of fun etc., but especially as we move into the new stadium and hopefully become an established premier league club, I think there's a strong argument for ditching a chant which is, at best, outdated. It offers nothing positive for the players and surely only alienates fans or potential fans of the club. If you have a young family, would you honestly want them singing this? Whilst you could make the argument that chants with swearing etc. are also off-putting, I think there is a distinction between this and something which I think offers nothing good.

I am incredibly proud to be a fan of the club and as I say, I'm sure some will dismiss this out of hand. But I think as a forward looking club this is something we should seriously be looking to change.
How about updating the chant for something more wholesome instead of retiring it.
'It's got clean bogs, Merlot and Chickpeas'?
 

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A song that needs resurrecting rather than retiring is the ‘Deano-ooo, Deano-ooo, we want a goal and we want one now, not 1 not 2, not 3, but 4’ to the tune of the Trio Biscuit advert. Swap out Deano-ooo for I-iiiiivan of course.

(Sorry, I digress from the original topic).
Possibly the most famous Jamaican folk song of all time remembered as a Trio Biscuit advert. Only on the GPG. 😂
 

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"There's only one Matthew Benham", because actually...there's quite a few. Clearly needs to be dumped as a gross misrepresentation of the truth.
Replace it with a new "Various Mathew Benhams" chant?
 

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I miss Hate Corner. Some great stuff came out of there. "Would you like a piece of cake?" was probably my favourite. I'd like to see that make a comeback.
 

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We should set up some scales at the turnstiles and only those with a healthy bmi can sing "you fat bastard"
 
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