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This is not good news. We need to offer him a new contract along with a few other players in the starting eleven.


It's not news at all, just a fan's opinion. Having said that I'm sure Rico will have many more admirers by the end of the season
 

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Leeds squad is 80% championship players, working their socks off under one of the best managers in the world. Bamford isn't a prem player
I think I'm missing something about Bielsa. I know that lots of people say what an amazing manager he is but he barely managed to get Leeds out of the Championship, has never won any trophy of significance and all I see is someone who's supposedly ultra intelligent, but who still can't speak a word of English after living here for more than 3 years, who with his obvious OCD likes pacing around the entire coaching area and then sits on a bucket. The guy is mental and in my opinion is far from being the best manager in the North of England let alone the world!!
 

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I think I'm missing something about Bielsa. I know that lots of people say what an amazing manager he is but he barely managed to get Leeds out of the Championship, has never won any trophy of significance and all I see is someone who's supposedly ultra intelligent, but who still can't speak a word of English after living here for more than 3 years, who with his obvious OCD likes pacing around the entire coaching area and then sits on a bucket. The guy is mental and in my opinion is far from being the best manager in the North of England let alone the world!!
I mean he took Leeds from being a mid table team to Mid table Premier league in 3 seasons. He is mental, I agree. He is one of the best in the world in my opinion, his training sessions are renowned for being incredibly difficult and making his team the fittest in the league but seemed to have slipped off this season. He has a squad of mainly championship level players playing successfully in the Premier League. I'd say that makes him a pretty impressive coach, surprised he still can't speak English though
 

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I mean he took Leeds from being a mid table team to Mid table Premier league in 3 seasons. He is mental, I agree. He is one of the best in the world in my opinion, his training sessions are renowned for being incredibly difficult and making his team the fittest in the league but seemed to have slipped off this season. He has a squad of mainly championship level players playing successfully in the Premier League. I'd say that makes him a pretty impressive coach, surprised he still can't speak English though
I think he can speak English passably well but chooses not to in official settings like interviews and press conferences where his words will be analysed in detail and nuance lost. This is not uncommon (eg how often do Macron & Merkel, both highly educated and fluent in English speak English publicly?).
 

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'scuse me but . . .

"Brentford themselves aren’t guaranteed to stay up this season and unlike the Hammers, will not be pushing for a top-six finish."
I had a chuckle over that......'Hammers shouldn't have a problem tempting him away from the BCS. Wet Spam would offer him European football and a higher salary.'

Let's wait and see if they can maintain their upward curve, I'm not entirely convinced yet.
 

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I mean he took Leeds from being a mid table team to Mid table Premier league in 3 seasons. He is mental, I agree. He is one of the best in the world in my opinion, his training sessions are renowned for being incredibly difficult and making his team the fittest in the league but seemed to have slipped off this season. He has a squad of mainly championship level players playing successfully in the Premier League. I'd say that makes him a pretty impressive coach, surprised he still can't speak English though
Based on all of the above does that make Thomas Frank equally one of the best in the world? I'd say we were as fit as any Premier League team, and the majority of our players were championship (or lower) level players....and he speaks English pretty well, and I've never seen him sitting on a bucket!
 

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Based on all of the above does that make Thomas Frank equally one of the best in the world? I'd say we were as fit as any Premier League team, and the majority of our players were championship (or lower) level players....and he speaks English pretty well, and I've never seen him sitting on a bucket!

Frank is pretty damn good at his job.

But...

Bielsa is more. He gave birth to the systems of football that most teams use these days, he's a bona fide legends of tactics. His style as a manager is more up for debate, though, as he's never been able to stick around long enough in one job to really start pushing for trophies regularly. But he definitely pulls the most out of his squads. Leeds need to be careful with their transfer signings so when Bielsa does leave, they don't get immediately relegated, as their squad isn't exactly top half of the EPL standard. They've got a handful of really good players, but then I'd back our players to do the same job, if not better, than all the rest.
 

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Frank is pretty damn good at his job.

But...

Bielsa is more. He gave birth to the systems of football that most teams use these days, he's a bona fide legends of tactics. His style as a manager is more up for debate, though, as he's never been able to stick around long enough in one job to really start pushing for trophies regularly. But he definitely pulls the most out of his squads. Leeds need to be careful with their transfer signings so when Bielsa does leave, they don't get immediately relegated, as their squad isn't exactly top half of the EPL standard. They've got a handful of really good players, but then I'd back our players to do the same job, if not better, than all the rest.
This is what I hear so much but have not seen any evidence to back it up, just some weird cult following. He's a serial failure in pretty much every job he's been in, yet still people rave about what a master tactician he is.

Sorry I just don't get it and just because Pep says it doesn't make it so!
 

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This is what I hear so much but have not seen any evidence to back it up, just some weird cult following. He's a serial failure in pretty much every job he's been in, yet still people rave about what a master tactician he is.

Sorry I just don't get it and just because Pep says it doesn't make it so!
I wouldn't say he is a serial failure. He got his first team, Newells Youth, to the Copa Libertadores Final. He got Argentina to be the first Latin-American team to win the Olympic final since 1928, in 2004. In 2008, he got Chile to beat Argentina for the first time in competitive history. I get where you are coming from but he isn't a serial failure, more of a strange character. He resigned from a Lazio job after 2 days and was sued for 50 million euros. He left the Chile job because of someone they appointed to the Board and conspiracies over his character.
 

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Did he not?

He’s quoted by Pep as his biggest inspiration, we know about Pochettino, even Klopp has taken inspiration from him. In fact, most teams have taken some inspiration from him, even if just indirectly.

His teams were the first to really use the pressing systems and defensive arrangement with attacking wing backs with a back 4 that have become common place back in the 90s.
 

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He was probably as relieved as I was when he was subbed. He was having mare, and I was having kittens when Adama moved to his side at half time
 

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He was probably as relieved as I was when he was subbed. He was having mare, and I was having kittens when Adama moved to his side at half time

Extremely harsh comment there. He was anything else than having a mare. He stuck to his task and thought overall had a good game. All about opinions.
 

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Not his best game for us. Struggled to provide anything going forward and then had real problems with Traore second half. On to the next one.. .
 

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Not his best game for us. Struggled to provide anything going forward and then had real problems with Traore second half. On to the next one.. .
As soon as Rico picked up a yellow they put Adama straight on him, he had to be careful. Not like he had much chance getting forwards when we had 10 men.

He was facing Semedo and Adama, two of the quickest players in the league, he had to play safe.
 

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Definitely dont agree Rico had a mare. Traore definitely unsettled him though which is rare for Rico. Traore athleticism is enough to give a fright to pretty much any defender though. I remember watching the wolves - man city game a couple of seasons ago where he destroyed man city and they came back from 2-0 down to win. There was a reason pretty much all of his crosses missed their target though, we played him rather well
 

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He was probably as relieved as I was when he was subbed. He was having mare, and I was having kittens when Adama moved to his side at half time
Seems a bit harsh, I was told he rolled his ankle after the very first attack from Traore in the second half and never recovered, the reason for being subbed plus the yellow. He would have to be in top form against Traore and with an ankle injury was always going to lose that battle. I personally think he should of came off much sooner after he rolled his ankle, especially against a fast player.
 

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This is what I hear so much but have not seen any evidence to back it up, just some weird cult following. He's a serial failure in pretty much every job he's been in, yet still people rave about what a master tactician he is.

Sorry I just don't get it and just because Pep says it doesn't make it so!

Wow that is very harsh. What I like about him is he doesn't do politics, workplace politics I mean. He knows his ability, knows what he can bring to a project (he sees jobs as projects) and gives literally every minute of his time to that project, if you don't like his ways or the club doesn't support his call off he walks goodbye, it is refreshing to see his approach.

As a result he expects the same from his players. It is very unlikely he'd succeed at one of the biggest clubs in the world managing the personalities of world class players. What he can do is bring a group of average footballers on a journey making them into world class players. His methods are old fashioned coaching not opening a cheque book to transform a club.

Yes his jobs don't tend to last too long, I think that is due to sheer committment his teams are required to give on and off the field. It is why I think this Leeds team may run out of steam soon if they haven't done so already.

I'm convinced very little other people in world football could have got Leeds back to the PL, that club were stuck and I think many there had almost given up on ever returning. It was to be fair a remarkable achievement he did it with the same squad who'd struggled for a few years.
 

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To be fair I think Traore makes every full back look like a mug, he’s got ultra pace and strength, just no end product.

I did notice Rico was beaten almost every time by Traore , but must admit I don’t think any defender could have coped with him.

I said it on another thread but If Traore had end product he’d be world class.
 

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As soon as Rico picked up a yellow they put Adama straight on him, he had to be careful. Not like he had much chance getting forwards when we had 10 men.

He was facing Semedo and Adama, two of the quickest players in the league, he had to play safe.
Traore caused everyone problems, I'm more concerned with his attacking output, we got into some good positions on the left and he struggled to get any decent balls in. Someone above said he may have turned his ankle early which would prob explain that. He was getting berated by Janelt I think at one point for not making an overlap.
 

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To be fair I think Traore makes every full back look like a mug, he’s got ultra pace and strength, just no end product.

I did notice Rico was beaten almost every time by Traore , but must admit I don’t think any defender could have coped with him.

I said it on another thread but If Traore had end product he’d be world class.
Maybe I was watching another game as has been suggested - but I have the impression he didn't do too much when he was playing against men in red and white stripes on the left before being switched - and a young Mads R didn't do too badly against him either.
 

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Maybe I was watching another game as has been suggested - but I have the impression he didn't do too much when he was playing against men in red and white stripes on the left before being switched - and a young Mads R didn't do too badly against him either.
He beat his man every single time, Roerslev and Rico.... As I say not to say either did badly, he’s just unstoppable at times
 

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Seems a bit harsh, I was told he rolled his ankle after the very first attack from Traore in the second half and never recovered, the reason for being subbed plus the yellow. He would have to be in top form against Traore and with an ankle injury was always going to lose that battle. I personally think he should of came off much sooner after he rolled his ankle, especially against a fast player.
Yes, Fantasy Football has his as doubtful for Saturday with an ankle injury.
 

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Frank is pretty damn good at his job.

But...

Bielsa is more. He gave birth to the systems of football that most teams use these days, he's a bona fide legends of tactics. His style as a manager is more up for debate, though, as he's never been able to stick around long enough in one job to really start pushing for trophies regularly. But he definitely pulls the most out of his squads. Leeds need to be careful with their transfer signings so when Bielsa does leave, they don't get immediately relegated, as their squad isn't exactly top half of the EPL standard. They've got a handful of really good players, but then I'd back our players to do the same job, if not better, than all the rest.
Bielsa is a myth. Did well to get Leeds up. Won sod all.

There's a reason he leaves clubs. Not for me, not good for long term stability.
 

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Rico did ok. AT beat him a few times but we read it well and CN etc come across to cut out the pull back etc. Maybe Rico did well to push him into areas where it was tough to deliver a class ball.
 

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Maybe I was watching another game as has been suggested - but I have the impression he didn't do too much when he was playing against men in red and white stripes on the left before being switched - and a young Mads R didn't do too badly against him either.
Mads is the one who got completely skinned leaving a free cross for Adama to find Raul who headed their best chance wide. Every defender struggles against his pace.
 

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Traore is completely unstoppable. Don't believe there is a defender in the PL who could stop him getting around them more often than not. Luckily there's nothing else to his game.
 

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Bielsa is a myth. Did well to get Leeds up. Won sod all.

There's a reason he leaves clubs. Not for me, not good for long term stability.
I think he deserves the credit for his thinking about the game which is cited by Guardiola, Klopp et al as being a massive influence. His methods of analysis of his team and opponents is as groundbreaking as BFC’s use of stats. I think the difference between Bielsa and the more successful managers he’s had following him is that they combine the footballing approach with being less obviously curmudgeonly and uncompromising at a personal level with players and clubs. So while he’s the supreme theoretician he is somewhat hampered by his absolute absence of any soft skills.

Would TF tell any player they couldn’t be excused from a fitness beasting session to be with their partner when they went into Labour, like Bielsa has? No, and that’s the big difference. Bielsa expects his men to be compliant and never-questioning machines. With Leeds he’s got a group that has physically exceeded his prior teams in making it through the seasons but maybe this season the mental effort of being his automatons is telling (cf perhaps the rebellion against John Beck at the end of his time at Cambridge where despite having got to the Championship play offs they simply got fed up of methods that just weren’t why they became footballers).

I doubt he’ll be at Leeds next season and their new players aren’t nearly good enough to keep them up. Lol.
 

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I thought we were simply showing Traore down the line, by doubling up Rico and Janelt in the knowledge that getting in decent crosses from very tight line angles when running at speed is difficult and Traore struggled to get a decent cross in.
 

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Yes he's got an ankle injury, but he will be back for Liverpool.

Biesla? Surely he can just sit on his bucket. Also they only just played Liverpool thats a long time out!

Oh this is the Rico Henry thread. There so much on Biesla that i had to check which thread i was on!
 

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Feels like the PL is giving Rico a level of test he has not had before, both in defending against quality attackers and attacking against quality defenders. Still, he has played his part in ensuring we have conceded only 2 goals in 5 matches so far. I have every faith that he will continue to learn and get better.
 

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Feels like the PL is giving Rico a level of test he has not had before, both in defending against quality attackers and attacking against quality defenders. Still, he has played his part in ensuring we have conceded only 2 goals in 5 matches so far. I have every faith that he will continue to learn and get better.
I think previously he's always had his pace to fall back on, whereas that's not so much of an exception at this level..
 

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Frankly, he's had it easy in terms of defensive challenges as he obviously had the measure of pretty much everyone in the Championship. He almost has to work out his game again and decide what he can and can't do in this division. He'll be fine.
 

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Feels like the PL is giving Rico a level of test he has not had before, both in defending against quality attackers and attacking against quality defenders. Still, he has played his part in ensuring we have conceded only 2 goals in 5 matches so far. I have every faith that he will continue to learn and get better.
Exactly my thoughts, this is what it's all about keeping clean sheets at this level and hope the strikers can do there magic which they have done brilliantly so far. When you look at the statistics against Wolves NO SHOTS ON TARGET wow wow wow, what an achievement from all our players including Rico and Sergi. However with the quality of the opposition at this level, has left our wingbacks becoming more defensive, which worries me a bit going forward due to Toney not getting any service from the wings.
 

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Exactly my thoughts, this is what it's all about keeping clean sheets at this level and hope the strikers can do there magic which they have done brilliantly so far. When you look at the statistics against Wolves NO SHOTS ON TARGET wow wow wow, what an achievement from all our players including Rico and Sergi. However with the quality of the opposition at this level, has left our wingbacks becoming more defensive, which worries me a bit going forward due to Toney not getting any service from the wings.
It puts a premium on the quality and consistency of decision making and crossing from the WBs in their rarer chances to go forward. And Pinnock and Ajer as they seem to be given the freedom to do those runs as players not cut out by opposing WBs/FBs with Rico and Sergi tucking in to cover. We will also probably see Bryan or Ivan down the wings more often as we did for the second at Wolves.
 

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I think previously he's always had his pace to fall back on, whereas that's not so much of an exception at this level..
Mr Rico Grudge. You will always need pace at this level fact. Let's just give our Premiership virgins a chance to adapt to the highest level of football in the world, after all, 2 goals against us in 5 games at the highest level is anything but sh*te, Rico has played his part just has all the players have. If any of our players were at a standard of what we expect them to be, they wouldn't be at Brentford and be worth £100M, nevertheless saying that, this might be the case come end of the season. At this present time these are Championship players learning their trade at a level where each will be punished while learning, therefore our jobs as fans is to keep them confident like we do at the games and sing our heart's out.
 
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Mr Rico Grudge. You will always need pace at this level fact. Let's just give our Premiership virgins a chance to adapt to the highest level of football in the world, after all, 2 goals against us in 5 games at the highest level is anything but sh*te, Rico has played his part just has all the players have. If any of our players were at a standard of what we expect them to be, they wouldn't be at Brentford and be worth £100M, nevertheless saying that, this might be the case come end of the season. At this present time these are Championship players learning their trade at a level where each will be punished while learning, therefore our jobs as fans is to keep them confident like we do at the games and sing our heart's out.
Rico Grudge??? :confused:
 
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