Running on the Pitch and Punching a Player (from Behind)

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Sorry!. I was reading the Daily Mail earlier, there's a particular article from a well known journIist about how low can football go.... and even tries to compare it to knife crime satistics.

I would leave the Daily Mail where it belongs if I was you.
Like it's journalists.
 

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Hopefully the idiot who sent probably the sickest tweet I’ve ever read to Grealish after the game will get a knock from the police as well.

I have not seen it

But Birmingham City have banned him for life as well as the Idiot
 

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Sorry!. I was reading the Daily Mail earlier, there's a particular article from a well known journIist about how low can football go.... and even tries to compare it to knife crime satistics.

Fat bloke with greasy hair?
 

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Whats the point of giving a 14 week sentence when they will serve half that?

The current sentencing is clearly not a deterrent. There have been 3 instances in a week.

How are you going to stop it?

You haven't answered my point.
 

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I have not seen it

But Birmingham City have banned him for life as well as the Idiot

I won't give it the breathing space by posting it on here but it was absolutely abhorrent. What goes through these people's minds is beyond me.
 

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14 weeks. What a joke.
Should give comfort to anyone else considering doing it in future.


There are sentencing guidelines for judges (and magistrates in this case) which must be taken into account when dealing with criminal offences. I presume this ‘fan’ was charged with common assault (as opposed to ABH or GBH). If so, I think the maximum custodial sentence is 26 weeks. Before imposing sentence, the court must also consider any aggravating or mitigating factors, such as premeditation, vulnerability of victim, gang membership, etc.

In my view, there is no reason why an assault on a footballer on the pitch should be dealt with more harshly than an assault on any other member of the public. Of course, had the assault then led to serious crowd trouble, that might be a different issue.

The public should also bear in mind, when expressing outrage at perceived leniency, that increasing penalties for minor offences would then have a knock on effect on more serious offences. It’s not so long ago (well, maybe a couple of hundred years or so) when you could be hanged in England for stealing a sheep or a lamb! It didn’t appear to have much effect on rustling. 😠
 

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There are sentencing guidelines for judges (and magistrates in this case) which must be taken into account when dealing with criminal offences. I presume this ‘fan’ was charged with common assault (as opposed to ABH or GBH). If so, I think the maximum custodial sentence is 26 weeks. Before imposing sentence, the court must also consider any aggravating or mitigating factors, such as premeditation, vulnerability of victim, gang membership, etc.

In my view, there is no reason why an assault on a footballer on the pitch should be dealt with more harshly than an assault on any other member of the public. Of course, had the assault then led to serious crowd trouble, that might be a different issue.

The public should also bear in mind, when expressing outrage at perceived leniency, that increasing penalties for minor offences would then have a knock on effect on more serious offences. It’s not so long ago (well, maybe a couple of hundred years or so) when you could be hanged in England for stealing a sheep or a lamb! It didn’t appear to have much effect on rustling. ��

I'm well aware of the guidelines. Probably moreso than most. Most of them are ridiculously lenient.

In some ways I agree there should be no difference in sentencing, whether a football player, on TV, or not........but personally I'd say any violent crime (without strong mitigating circumstances) should have a minimum of 2 or 3 years in prison.

I also agree increasing penalties for minor offences would have a knock-on effect on more serious offences.......if you're locked up in jail you can't commit more offences or progress to more serious ones.
 

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....but personally I'd say any violent crime (without strong mitigating circumstances) should have a minimum of 2 or 3 years in prison.

Have you thought this through? ANY violent crime? A woman giving a man a slap across the face would be a violent assault. Lock her up for 2-3 years? What then if as a result of that slap, the victim falls and cuts his face on a chair resulting in stitches? Same penalty? 4-5 years? What about the street fight where the victim is punched and kicked several times? Maybe 10 years? Hopefully you see where I’m going with this.

We should all sit back and think before we rush into print, demanding tougher sentences and criticising the courts, politicians and anyone else considered a suitable target.
 

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Have you thought this through? ANY violent crime? A woman giving a man a slap across the face would be a violent assault. Lock her up for 2-3 years? What then if as a result of that slap, the victim falls and cuts his face on a chair resulting in stitches? Same penalty? 4-5 years? What about the street fight where the victim is punched and kicked several times? Maybe 10 years? Hopefully you see where I’m going with this.

We should all sit back and think before we rush into print, demanding tougher sentences and criticising the courts, politicians and anyone else considered a suitable target.

I see where you're going with it......which is rather distracting from the incredibly lenient sentencing in this country by saying we better not have harsher sentencing in case someone gets sent to prison forever for slapping someone.
Obviously when talking about violent crime, it wasn't necessary to give the caveat that a slap from my (nearly) two year old daughter shouldn't be included as a violent crime either, you can have tougher sentencing without losing a bit of common sense.
No amount of sitting back and thinking will make me change my opinion that this country is far too weak on law and order and law abiding citizens suffer as a consequence.
 

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Have you thought this through? ANY violent crime? A woman giving a man a slap across the face would be a violent assault. Lock her up for 2-3 years? What then if as a result of that slap, the victim falls and cuts his face on a chair resulting in stitches? Same penalty? 4-5 years? What about the street fight where the victim is punched and kicked several times? Maybe 10 years? Hopefully you see where I’m going with this.

We should all sit back and think before we rush into print, demanding tougher sentences and criticising the courts, politicians and anyone else considered a suitable target.

You're wasting your time. They type first and engage brain some distance later.
 

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Not saying that the sentence in this case is right or wrong - but its worth bearing in mind all the things that go with a Prison sentence.

If you're working then even a short sentence will mean you losing your job. It would be a very understanding employer who would hold a job for you for more than a couple of weeks absence. Once released a criminal record could make it difficult to find work.

If you're claiming housing benefit and are sentenced to more than 13 weeks then this claim is terminated. So even if this person gets out in 7 weeks he will have rent arrears which will need to be paid off. People serving longer sentences will be faced with losing their homes and being released homeless.

I'm definitely not saying that this sentence is too harsh. The blokes an idiot who needs to be shown that their are consequences to his stupidity, but the added effects of every prison sentence is worth considering by those who are in favour of handing out longer custodial sentences. Also the costs of keeping prisoners inside is phenomenal.

I bet the thing that will hurt this idiot the most is the football banning order.
 

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Still no decision from the F. A. On this incident. Shame.

The FA will await the referee's report, then ask the club for their version of events before making a decision on the next step.
 

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The FA will await the referee's report, then ask the club for their version of events before making a decision on the next step.
Birmingham City and Aston Villa have been charged with failing to control their players.
 

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Birmingham City and Aston Villa have been charged with failing to control their players.

Different incident... That was for something that happened in the 5th minute
 

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Are they going to get charged with failing to control their fans?
 

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Failing to control their stewards.
 
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