Ryan Woods (Birmingham City)

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Liked Ryan but another player whom it appears we made look better than they actually are! Great for our bank balance!
"Made look better"?

How do you do that?

Don't you mean that we (and Millwall) got the best out of his ability, whereas Stoke failed to do so?
 

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The profit is almost insignificant compared to the serious upgrade in midfield, then add in the rejuvenation in total age as a bonus.
You're dead right that our present midfield is a serious upgrade even from a couple of seasons ago, when Ryan was here.

But seeing as how we improved him significantly during his time here from his Shrewsbury days, how do we know he wouldn't have continued to improve had he stayed? i mean, at 25, 26 or 27 or whatever, he's likely approaching his peak.

I get the impression that we sold Ryan when we did at least as much because it suited us financially at the time, as from reservations about his ability.

In that respect he was like eg Stuart Dallas, who wasn't especially rated by the fans when he was here, but coming from p-t football, probably just needed more time to develop to the stage he's at today i.e. an ever-present in both a top club team and a decent international team.
 

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Gary Rowett clearly believes he can fit Woods into his team but other coaches would need to have a style of play that can accommodate him. Clearly Stoke do not have that, or believe they have better-suited options.
Aiui, it's even simpler than that.

Basically Stoke blew their PL and parachute money on a whole stack of overpriced and overpaid transfer signings on long contracts (not necessarily Ryan) and are desperately trying to escape FFP.

The problem being that if they sold those players outright, they'd never get back the money they paid for him and so would incur an immediate amortisation loss for FFP purposes.

Instead they've had to loan them out to reduce the wage bill (and maybe pick up a loan fee, if they're lucky). I imagine that Ryan has been unwittingly caught up in that, made worse by the fact that their present manager (O'Neill) is not the manager who signed him (Rowett).

Indeed, although Millwall haven't much money, I suspect Rowett has persuaded them to push the boat out on Ryan and offer Stoke a better deal than they can get for loaning some of their other players.
 

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"Made look better"?

How do you do that?

Don't you mean that we (and Millwall) got the best out of his ability, whereas Stoke failed to do so?

Up to a point, yes, but not just that - our model and style of play also provide players with added value.
 

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Up to a point, yes, but not just that - our model and style of play also provide players with added value.

As I've said before, we (mostly) seem to get the best out of players in our squad. Their reputation soars, as does the transfer fee for us to sell. They are then sold for a gargantuan profit, but the new club doesn't always play them to the player's strengths. Different styles of play and all that. The implication being we do our homework better than a lot of other, wealthier clubs, who can afford to make mistakes like that, until they are relegated back to the Championship!
 

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As I've said before, we (mostly) seem to get the best out of players in our squad. Their reputation soars, as does the transfer fee for us to sell. They are then sold for a gargantuan profit, but the new club doesn't always play them to the player's strengths. Different styles of play and all that. The implication being we do our homework better than a lot of other, wealthier clubs, who can afford to make mistakes like that, until they are relegated back to the Championship!
Agree with this, the point being that we don't make players look better, we simply make then better players.

And when they leave, sometimes their new club makes them play worse..
 

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RW was class. I reckon he would have worked very well in our CM.
 

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RW was class. I reckon he would have worked very well in our CM.
I'm sorry but can you really imagine him tackling like Christian, particularly tackling, recovering and tackling again in one continuous stream?
 

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I'm sorry but can you really imagine him tackling like Christian, particularly tackling, recovering and tackling again in one continuous stream?

:scratch: Now you come to mention it, probably not.
 

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Agree with this, the point being that we don't make players look better, we simply make then better players.

And when they leave, sometimes their new club makes them play worse..

I don't think it is quite this simple but, hey, life is too short ...
 

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I'm sorry but can you really imagine him tackling like Christian, particularly tackling, recovering and tackling again in one continuous stream?

I would have him next to him.
 

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And lose of the 8’s?

Dont know, But i think some on here do him a disservice. Bar his lack of goals hes a class player who receives the ball deep (we lack that IMO) and links the play very well.
 

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Dont know, But i think some on here do him a disservice. Bar his lack of goals hes a class player who receives the ball deep (we lack that IMO) and links the play very well.
The way we set up now is that it's either Pinnock or Dalsgaard (or even Raya) that have the job of cycling or recycling the ball out of defence and linking the play forward. We play a much higher line, with Nørgaard's defensive ability, so the deep recycler is a redundant position. It's not doing him a disservice but a player doing that is no longer required in a different style of play with a high press.
 

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i was sorry to see woodsy go , but we have got better now , wish him well but dont want him back

This. He was very good for us in the team of the time which was a solid top 10 team. We got what £6m for him, he got to be near family we bought better replacements. We’re now a team that was just shy of top 2 and will with any luck be in the PL next season or the one after. Everybody is happy. It doesn’t denigrate his ability or contribution when here that we have progressed and it is good he’s not being wasted at Stoke.
 

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Ryan was class in our team when he played for us. We have moved on and if our exceptional coach could have continued to work with him anything was possible. Who knows ?
 

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Remains one of my favourite Bees players from the last 10 years and, when in the team one of the most important (he always set the tempo when he played).
 

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Absolutely class player for us, tremendously talented if you play him in the correct role.

Hope he can rebuild his career at Millwall after Stoke completely wasted what he had to offer, as long as he doesn't start tomorrow!
 

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Remains one of my favourite Bees players from the last 10 years and, when in the team one of the most important (he always set the tempo when he played).
He was nearly always the player that opposition fans would say was our best player.
 

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Loved watching Woods play for us. That game he had against Villa at home on a Tuesday night immediately after the Hogan transfer is one of my enduring memories not just of him but of GP actually. They’d also recently signed Lansbury and Bjarnasson who both had a bit of a swagger about them until Ryan tore them absolute new one in centre mid. It was glorious to witness.

I’d wish him well regardless but a little bit more so after what happened in his personal life. Remember the reception he got at his first game back at QPR away (I think in the cup) when he came close to the fans at half time. That transcended football.
 
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Never let us down and a really genuine lad who helped make us tick. Let's not forget, he was more of an 'afterthought' signing when we realised Mr. Glass wasn't regularly fit or up to it.
 

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Very good today. Always available, usually a pass to a team mate. Probably man of the match today.
 

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It’s lovely the way he always has his head up and his body shape open when he receives the ball. He’ll be a big player for them this year.
 

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Woods makes Millwall better than they really are and really makes them tick. He has been superb signing for them. I always stated no matter how good Woods was for us and I was one of his biggest fans I just couldn't ever see us promoted with him in the team if that makes sense. Excellent servant for us and probably with us a year longer than both Woods and we thought he would be. Looks like he is enjoying playing again. His move to Stoke just didn't make sense especially after Swansea messed him around. Finally, just a great down to earth lad.
 

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Hes class. I dont understand the not being promoted with him in the side comment IB. For me he was dealing with playing with people in midfield who gave him no protection.

Today he showed what he brings to the table, makes Millwall look and play much better then they actually are. Always an option and links the defence and midfield so well, (a trait i think we are missing).

Good luck to him.
 

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Hes class. I dont understand the not being promoted with him in the side comment IB. For me he was dealing with playing with people in midfield who gave him no protection.

Today he showed what he brings to the table, makes Millwall look and play much better then they actually are. Always an option and links the defence and midfield so well, (a trait i think we are missing).

Good luck to him.
Agree. If our midfield has moved on in quality as much as people like to think since he left, then he would have barely been noticed today.
 

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Agree. If our midfield has moved on in quality as much as people like to think since he left, then he would have barely been noticed today.

Im surprised TF didnt stick a player on him or at least closer to him when we lost the ball.
 

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Im surprised TF didnt stick a player on him or at least closer to him when we lost the ball.
I'd say that not putting a player on him was tactical. He doesn't do anything dangerous, his job is to pass the ball wide to players who will start the attacks, that's the way Rowett has Millwall set up. He knows they can't go through the centre, with Nørgaard on patrol there, so go out wide and cross into the box. We stay wide, don't get dragged out of our defensive shape and mark those receiving players. The moment we go to close Woods down, their wing backs get free.
 
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Loved watching Woods play for us. That game he had against Villa at home on a Tuesday night immediately after the Hogan transfer is one of my enduring memories not just of him but of GP actually. They’d also recently signed Lansbury and Bjarnasson who both had a bit of a swagger about them until Ryan tore them absolute new one in centre mid. It was glorious to witness.

I’d wish him well regardless but a little bit more so after what happened in his personal life. Remember the reception he got at his first game back at QPR away (I think in the cup) when he came close to the fans at half time. That transcended football.
For me it was the ‘Cheer up Harlem Dean‘ night BEEcool.
Came on early for an injured McEachran (surprise) when the game was finely balance.
They didn’t get a touch after.
Masterclass ..... what a night.
(Think it was the game when Ollie became a star too).

PS Don’t think we’ve had as a good a midfield combination since those three.
Woods, Kamo and Mr. Languid .... hard to beat.
Norgaard is the new foundatio, New Josh is showing promise and I was hoping Baptiste would be the third.
Unfortunately he is looking rather like Old Josh 😔
Hope I’m wrong.
 

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I'd say that not putting a player on him was tactical. He doesn't do anything dangerous, his job is to pass the ball wide to players who will start the attacks, that's the way Rowett has Millwall set up. He knows they can't go through the centre, with Nørgaard on patrol there, so go out wide and cross into the box. We stay wide, don't get dragged out of our defensive shape and mark those receiving players. The moment we go to close Woods down, their wing backs get free.

Still think he ran the midfield for them. Didnt look like a "typical Millwall" performance.
 

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Still think he ran the midfield for them. Didnt look like a "typical Millwall" performance.
Clearly, he's key to the way Rowett wants to play, that's why he wanted him at Stoke – a typical Rowett performance. Woods "runs the midfield" in that he is the recycler, like he was most of the time with us; his job is to get the ball to the attacking players, the way Rowett's Millwall play is to go wide, with a winger and wing back working together, and cross into the box.

So tactically, we needed to work hard to prevent the wide overload, with our full back and our wide attacker holding the width on each side. It was noticeable that we held back on the full-back overlap, for example, because that space behind the full backs is what Rowett wants. The match stats showed almost half their attacks on their right, not because of Thompson but because that's where their best players are. Interestingly, we attacked more through the middle, which I guess was also tactical, knowing their 3 centre backs could be caught widely-spaced and with little defensive cover in front of them on the counter.

Anyway, much too much from me...
 

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For me it was the ‘Cheer up Harlem Dean‘ night BEEcool.
Came on early for an injured McEachran (surprise) when the game was finely balance.
They didn’t get a touch after.
Masterclass ..... what a night.
(Think it was the game when Ollie became a star too).

PS Don’t think we’ve had as a good a midfield combination since those three.
Woods, Kamo and Mr. Languid .... hard to beat.
Norgaard is the new foundatio, New Josh is showing promise and I was hoping Baptiste would be the third.
Unfortunately he is looking rather like Old Josh 😔
Hope I’m wrong.

I think our current members midfield is superior to that one. Certainly Nörgaard and Dasilva are miles above Woods and Kamo.
 

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Norgaard yes, Dasilva possibly (in time) but who’s the third?
No one near Sawyers quality yet IMO.

Dasilva is better than Kamo now. I'd agree that Sawyers is class but Marcondes contributes more goals and assists than Romaine. Jensen and Baptiste also have another level in them I think.

My opinion only but I think this midfield (like the squad in general) is the best we've ever had.
 

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Dasilva is better than Kamo now. I'd agree that Sawyers is class but Marcondes contributes more goals and assists than Romaine. Jensen and Baptiste also have another level in them I think.

My opinion only but I think this midfield (like the squad in general) is the best we've ever had.
I think if we had Woods, Kamo, Sawyers, Norgaard, JDS, Marcondes in our current squad our first choice midfield would be Norgaard, JDS, Sawyers.
There’d be a battle for the sub spot between Woods and Sawyers. I think Sawyers would win out but it might vary by opponent. Kamo being on the teamsheet would indicate a serious injury crisis.
 

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Norgaard yes, Dasilva possibly (in time) but who’s the third?
No one near Sawyers quality yet IMO.

CN is better than Sawyers and Da Silva will be if he isn’t already imo
 

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Clearly, he's key to the way Rowett wants to play, that's why he wanted him at Stoke – a typical Rowett performance. Woods "runs the midfield" in that he is the recycler, like he was most of the time with us; his job is to get the ball to the attacking players, the way Rowett's Millwall play is to go wide, with a winger and wing back working together, and cross into the box.

So tactically, we needed to work hard to prevent the wide overload, with our full back and our wide attacker holding the width on each side. It was noticeable that we held back on the full-back overlap, for example, because that space behind the full backs is what Rowett wants. The match stats showed almost half their attacks on their right, not because of Thompson but because that's where their best players are. Interestingly, we attacked more through the middle, which I guess was also tactical, knowing their 3 centre backs could be caught widely-spaced and with little defensive cover in front of them on the counter.

Anyway, much too much from me...

Some excellent tactical insight to be fair. Romeo looked a very decent player. Canos also worked hard to track back to cover young Thompson as well. I think Rico would obviously have added and extra dimension but you have called it spot on. DaSilva did attack with intent in the middle but we needed more out of Marcondes as an attacking outlet.
 

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Some excellent tactical insight to be fair. Romeo looked a very decent player. Canos also worked hard to track back to cover young Thompson as well. I think Rico would obviously have added and extra dimension but you have called it spot on. DaSilva did attack with intent in the middle but we needed more out of Marcondes as an attacking outlet.
Not the place for it but Marcondes did a lot of defensive work, number 2= for tackles, with Nørgaard, Dalsgaard way out in front, though.
 

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Not the place for it but Marcondes did a lot of defensive work, number 2= for tackles, with Nørgaard, Dalsgaard way out in front, though.

Which is why I deliberately noted we didn't see enough of Marcondes as an attacking outlet.....oh and it was a vintage performance from Woodsy.
 
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Dasilva is better than Kamo now. I'd agree that Sawyers is class but Marcondes contributes more goals and assists than Romaine. Jensen and Baptiste also have another level in them I think.

My opinion only but I think this midfield (like the squad in general) is the best we've ever had.
Agree that Baptiste has another level and then you might be right about best MF we've ever had (Kamara, Hurlock, Bowles anyone?) but right now I think Sawyers would be an upgrade.
BMW was unbelievable last year but imagine with Sawyers behind :D

PS I'm concerned about Baptiste's fragility. Any ideas anyone?
 

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Agree that Baptiste has another level and then you might be right about best MF we've ever had (Kamara, Hurlock, Bowles anyone?) but right now I think Sawyers would be an upgrade.
BMW was unbelievable last year but imagine with Sawyers behind :D

PS I'm concerned about Baptiste's fragility. Any ideas anyone?
The one thing JDS gives you over any of the recent midfielders mentioned is goals, double figures last season, 2 already this season. It's all very well playing nice but you need players other than your forwards to score. For that reason alone he gets my vote.
 

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Still think he ran the midfield for them. Didnt look like a "typical Millwall" performance.
Personally don’t think running the midfield involves sitting in front of the back four and spraying simple passes right and left.Problem with Ryan in my view,was when you were under pressure,he couldn’t really defend,and offered very little going forward,unlike Norgaard.Neat and tidy summed him up for me.
 
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