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I wonder, if he does go, without veering off topic of SB, if we will try and bring in Hack by raising our offer further.
 

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I suspect they will get to an acceptable fee. They are running out of options..
 

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The management team are in full control and loving how this is playing out. They have been here before and no doubt are starting to smell the desperation kicking in from West Ham. This will probably go to the wire with West Ham making a decent offer with under 24 hours to go, no they don't learn. There is only one winner here and they don't play in claret and blue. It's such a simple game, Matt Benham is probably laughing his socks off.
 

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He will never command a higher transfer fee at BFC than now. I'm never sure WHU will put their money where their mouth is, but I think a figure of the low £20 millions with add ons would be enough for him to go, particularly in the current financial climate. I really can't see near £30m, as clubs aren't queuing up for him.
The asking price quoted was in euros (30 M)
 

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The management team are in full control and loving how this is playing out. They have been here before and no doubt are starting to smell the desperation kicking in from West Ham. This will probably go to the wire with West Ham making a decent offer with under 24 hours to go, no they don't learn. There is only one winner here and they don't play in claret and blue. It's such a simple game, Matt Benham is probably laughing his socks off.
And yet at least one West ham fan on twitter thinks we will buckle to a low bid because the player is bound to force a move. I feel like that would have come a while ago if there was a chance of it.

Apart from anything else are we not only 10-11 weeks to the next transfer window after this window closes? It shouldn't be that much to ask at this point for him to stick around for a big move in January.
 

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If Said goes added to Ollie IMHO we will be a weaker side than last season, I don't think Toney will be as good as Ollie, or
Ghoddos as good as Said.
Toney’s already showing he’ll get a load of goals in our side. Ghoddos some way off fitness so hard to say at the mo. Do think our back up wide options are a little limited flair wise though
 

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If Said goes added to Ollie IMHO we will be a weaker side than last season, I don't think Toney will be as good as Ollie, or
Ghoddos as good as Said.
I think this too. A bit of a step back from last season, although inevitable after missing out on promotion. Hopefully with the money in the bank from the sales and with our successful recruitment it should be enough to get us up in the next few years.
 

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SB wants to move on. His replacement so to speak is in the building. Better for coaches and players to concentrate on matters in hand.

Time for a bit of compromise with the hammers, say 20 million plus this and that? Everyone happy. I was until someone pointed out the next window is in 11 weeks!
 

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And yet at least one West ham fan on twitter thinks we will buckle to a low bid because the player is bound to force a move. I feel like that would have come a while ago if there was a chance of it.

Apart from anything else are we not only 10-11 weeks to the next transfer window after this window closes? It shouldn't be that much to ask at this point for him to stick around for a big move in January.
The stars are aligned the time to sell is now. Not only that but in 10 or 11 weeks Said could be injured, any delay adds risk at this point.
 
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And yet at least one West ham fan on twitter thinks we will buckle to a low bid because the player is bound to force a move. I feel like that would have come a while ago if there was a chance of it.

Apart from anything else are we not only 10-11 weeks to the next transfer window after this window closes? It shouldn't be that much to ask at this point for him to stick around for a big move in January.
There's no shying away from the fact that we'd like to sell. But 17m (what is what WHU are reported to be offering) ain't going to get him, we all know that.

Dealing with WHU seems to be hard work as they never want to pay what others would consider market value. Then there's add-ons which we've always views as obtainable with a reasonable probability of them coming off. For example a lot of our sales to PL clubs include an add-on regarding the buying club's PL status for the following season and perhaps other seasons too - but also conditional on the sold player being on the pitch for a reasonable percentage of them. WHU seem to regard add-ons as something that would have the same probability of Elvis being found alive on the moon driving a water-powered red bus. So I can't see that we are going to get anywhere on this. Certainly not in this window with just a few days remaining.

As you point out, the next window is a very short time away, and generally brings higher prices...
 

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There's no shying away from the fact that we'd like to sell. But 17m (what is what WHU are reported to be offering) ain't going to get him, we all know that.

Dealing with WHU seems to be hard work as they never want to pay what others would consider market value. Then there's add-ons which we've always views as obtainable with a reasonable probability of them coming off. For example a lot of our sales to PL clubs include an add-on regarding the buying club's PL status for the following season and perhaps other seasons too - but also conditional on the sold player being on the pitch for a reasonable percentage of them. WHU seem to regard add-ons as something that would have the same probability of Elvis being found alive on the moon driving a water-powered red bus. So I can't see that we are going to get anywhere on this. Certainly not in this window with just a few days remaining.

As you point out, the next window is a very short time away, and generally brings higher prices...
Did they not ask for an add on for when they won the PL with Hogan? Sure I read something about that, and when the deal fell through a story came out that WE'D insisted on it, which was bonkers..
 

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We’re all replaceable!! :(
 

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There's a general assumption that Saïd "wants a move" but that presumes he receives a personal offer that he (or his agent) considers more than satisfactory for the period of the contract he's being offered. If, for example, the contract has a relegation clause that reduces his earnings and he believes there's a reasonable chance of that relegation, OR if the real earnings are dependent on the number of games he starts, he may consider it unsatisfactory and reject it.

I'm 100% certain that our Directors of Football and Thomas are open and honest with him and he, therefore, understands that the right move is the most important thing and that BFC will work with him to get it, the alternative being he bides his time in an environment he knows well and knows he is being supported towards his ambition. Given that, he's not going to "force a move" – it's not an East End cattle market.
 

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Sky often release breaking news similar to Brewster to Palace to get people to bet (weirdly) with sky bet on that player moving to that club, not sure why so many people can’t see that 🤨
Probably because it's not true. Sky don't own SkyBet and haven't for a while.
 

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Ghoddos is Said's replacement. Same as Toney was Watkins's replacement.

Last year Ghoddos was Maupay's replacement
Bit odd that Ghoddos has been seen as both Said's replacement and Maupay's replacement, especially when (if I remember correctly) he has himself said he likes to play as a 10/false 9.
 

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All this conversation shows is that people know FA. Of course we will initially be weaker but we were last season when Maupay left. Then the management got to work on Ollie and Said and fortuitously BM emerged when Sergi was injured. BMW was not a plan and I trust the leadership team to do it again if not this year then next. Let’s just get to 54 points.
 

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Ghoddos is Said's replacement. Same as Toney was Watkins's replacement.

Last year Ghoddos was Maupay's replacement
Really though, this still equates to Said + Neal + Watkins into Ghoddos + Toney... one replacement is missing!

(though arguably that would be Forss now he’s been properly promoted to the 1st team)
 

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Really though, this still equates to Said + Neal + Watkins into Ghoddos + Toney... one replacement is missing!

(though arguably that would be Forss now he’s been properly promoted to the 1st team)
Mbeumo. Watkins was a wide player. Mbeumo replaced him. Watkins replaced Maupay. Who is now replaced by Toney. Ghoddos to replace Saïd.
 
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Said + Watkins + Maupay replaced by Mbeumo + Ghoddos + Toney and a shedload of money to help us further rebuild
 

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All this conversation shows is that people know FA. Of course we will initially be weaker but we were last season when Maupay left. Then the management got to work on Ollie and Said and fortuitously BM emerged when Sergi was injured. BMW was not a plan and I trust the leadership team to do it again if not this year then next. Let’s just get to 54 points.
Yes the first total to aim at is 54, once that’s achieved we push on from there. Top 10 at Christmas, Top 6 at Easter push on from there
 

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If Said goes added to Ollie IMHO we will be a weaker side than last season, I don't think Toney will be as good as Ollie, or
Ghoddos as good as Said.
I'm an optimist so going to disagree, though we can't really say anything about Saman yet. Think Ivan and Ollie are pretty close in ability and Ivan, at a quarter of the price, is a better bet all round in a worldwide economic crash.
 

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If Said goes added to Ollie IMHO we will be a weaker side than last season, I don't think Toney will be as good as Ollie, or
Ghoddos as good as Said.
Clearly. I don’t think Ollie was as good as Maupay or Maupay was as good as Hogan. In fact, let’s go the whole hog and bring back Murray jones. So sad to see the team get progressively worse every window
 

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Yawn, I'm over this saga already.... It's really simple, if WH want Said, they stump up what we consider is our valuation. I don't see them getting him unless they up their low 17m offer - no way are the DOF's going to accept that and WH will find themselves in the same situation as with Tarks, King etc - without the player. I used to like WH but think of them as a bit of a plastic side now in an white elephant of a stadium.
 

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I'm an optimist so going to disagree, though we can't really say anything about Saman yet. Think Ivan and Ollie are pretty close in ability and Ivan, at a quarter of the price, is a better bet all round in a worldwide economic crash.
All about opinions and we will see at end of season, but for me Ivan is not as quick as Ollie and first touch not as good, also Ollie's movement
was better. not seen a lot of Ghoddos yet but doubt he will score/assist as many, Ollie/Toney the same, just an opinion.
 

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Think a lot of people need to remember just how good Ollie was,I see a season outside the top six. Hope i’m wrong.
 

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West Ham are playing out similar nonsense in the media by under bidding for Josh King as well...circa £13m when Bournemouth want £18m.

They seem to think they can sign Said, King and Tarky for under £60m! Would have been impressive business if they did, however I don’t think any of the clubs they are approaching are particularly interested in being mugged off!
 

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Think a lot of people need to remember just how good Ollie was,I see a season outside the top six. Hope i’m wrong.
Ivan's in a more advanced stage now than Ollie was when he was converted to CF .Have your forgotten all the he'll never be a centre forward comments ? I was one of one of the doubters
Any way I digress , wrong thread .
 
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Ivan's in a more advanced stage now than Ollie was when he was converted to CF .Have your forgotten all the he'll never be a centre forward comments ? I was one of one of the doubters
Any way I digress , wrong thread .
And those doubts didn't go away until a fair way into last season.
 

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Would Said earn more money and get to play in the prem and not have to move house? Yes
Depends where he lives. Wouldn't be much fun working over there if you lived in Brentford. Would add about 4 hours to your day.
 

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....i think there's every chance BFC would benefit by keeping in the shop window untill January....by that time the clubs at the top end of the PL table will be re-evaluating their squads.......the war chests will be delved into.....i believe SB has the potential to be part of a top end squad....holding and not selling would bring greater dividends IMO.
 

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Think a lot of people need to remember just how good Ollie was,I see a season outside the top six. Hope i’m wrong.
I hope you’re wrong but think you’re right. TBH though it’s fine in my book - premier league would be great championship more than ok though
 

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Think a lot of people need to remember just how good Ollie was,I see a season outside the top six. Hope i’m wrong.
I think a lot of people need to remember that it’s not as simple as whether Toney is better than Ollie or Ghoddos is better than Benrahma when we talk about if we are better than last season.

IMO we’re better than this time last season even if we lose Benrahma. My reasoning being that Raya, Pinnock, Henry, Norgaard, Dasilva, Jensen, Marcondes and Mbeumo are all better than this time last season. Plus we have added Baptiste, Fosu, Goode, Janelt etc.

I’m not just hoping for a promotion push this season, I’m expecting one and that’s with or without Benrahma.
 

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17 million with 8 million add on's achieved. Disapointing if true but we need to know who we can pick and cant. Hope we spend some of the money before Friday night.
 

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Think a lot of people need to remember just how good Ollie was,I see a season outside the top six. Hope i’m wrong.
Did you think Ollie would be so good as a striker at this time last season when the Maupay saga was going on? I bet you did not. In the same way I think it’s unfair at his stage to talk down the team going forward. We sell, we adapt, we progress. That is what other clubs look at in wonder.
 

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17 million with 8 million add on's achieved. Disapointing if true but we need to know who we can pick and cant. Hope we spend some of the money before Friday night.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the claims and predictions he made this time last season.
 

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I think a lot of people need to remember that it’s not as simple as whether Toney is better than Ollie or Ghoddos is better than Benrahma when we talk about if we are better than last season.

IMO we’re better than this time last season even if we lose Benrahma. My reasoning being that Raya, Pinnock, Henry, Norgaard, Dasilva, Jensen, Marcondes and Mbeumo are all better than this time last season. Plus we have added Baptiste, Fosu, Goode, Janelt etc.

I’m not just hoping for a promotion push this season, I’m expecting one and that’s with or without Benrahma.
I reck this is right; defacto we replaced Tom Field and Josh Clarke with Baptise and Fosu in January; with respect, particularly to Josh Clarke, a significant upgrade.
 

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Can you really see Gold etc paying out £25m? Because we won’t be selling him cheap.
My wh supporting mate thinks the fact SB’s agent is mates with the gold brothers means they will get a good deal. I have tried to explain that it is Brentford that need to be convinced to sell cheap and the agent isn’t good friends with us
 

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But it's not just about who's scoring, be delighted if Toney reached 20 and Ghoddos is an unknown player at this level. I think we need 2 new players. A wide player to replace Said and a midfielder to play alongside Norgaard and Josh, maybe Janelt is that man?
 

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My wh supporting mate thinks the fact SB’s agent is mates with the gold brothers means they will get a good deal. I have tried to explain that it is Brentford that need to be convinced to sell cheap and the agent isn’t good friends with us
That’s also not his agent anymore (see previous posts on this thread).
 

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I refer the honourable gentleman to the claims and predictions he made this time last season.
I wanted a striker because we didnt have one at the time, wish I could look into the future like you, who most likely assumed Watkins would be a hugh hit. Watkins came good and more importantly stayed fit. Ive always wanted a second striker in case of an injury. This season we have addresses that with Toney coming in and Forss progessing very well. But there are other areas that need addressing.
 
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