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....spoken words like agreement/obligation/et al mean very little...its the written word that is king....i have no issue with this deal.....unless of course the devil in the detail says otherwise.....but i'll never know.....my only slight concern is injuries sustained whilst on loan....guess i've never fully understood loan deals and injuries.
 
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No, I'm perfectly serious. Your methodology is flawed here. You were not looking at a dictionary definition. Not even a synonym. Anyway, see my other post.
See AB's post. Nothing further to discuss.
 

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So the same people who found and bought this player 2 years ago for 2.5 mill and then sell him for an initial payment of 4 mill followed by 20 odd million paid in instalments of 5 mill over 4/5 years during a period where the world ain’t got a pot to piss in are being questioned on how they do business.
Its not their fault for this. I think they were put in an invidious position.
 

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Christ - Twitter is fun. Some real W@ nk ers on there. Not much better here. He wanted/ insisted on going. Best he went then and eventually we will be 30 mill better off. End of story. Personally I think his billy big b***ock*s attitude is a bit sh*te and really think he will struggle in the Prem. Enjoyed watching him but will still enjoy watching my club without him. Nobody is bigger than BFC. Just hope we stuff Coventry tomorrow!! You Beeeeessss!!!!
 

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Binding contract.
I am fully aware of that but does not mean they can't string things out, reports had it that they had not paid due fees for Haller a while ago,
then there is the grey area of the medical issues, any other club and I would not be concerned but WHU beware as far as I am concerned.
As in business it doesn't mean that because people owe money they are going to pay it, they can string you along for ages and you
may have to take legal action to get something done.
 

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If there’s a sell on (as I think we’d normally insist on), structuring as a loan with loan fee followed by a transfer would potentially increase the value of the sell on as it would bite on profit over a lower transfer fee than if we’d just sold outright in one go. WHU might of course have negotiated that out so the calculation included the loan fee but not doing so would be a currently cost free concession to help make the deal.
 

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I am fully aware of that but does not mean they can't string things out, reports had it that they had not paid due fees for Haller a while ago,
then there is the grey area of the medical issues, any other club and I would not be concerned but WHU beware as far as I am concerned.
As in business it doesn't mean that because people owe money they are going to pay it, they can string you along for ages and you
may have to take legal action to get something done.
You can only be strung along for as long as you’re willing to be. £25m usually is enough to make budgeting for lawyers to start proceedings an easy and relatively cheap choice (in a small organisation like BFC the diversion of limited senior management time to faff about would be much more costly to tge running of the business than a few tens of thousands).
 

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Christ - Twitter is fun. Some real W@ nk ers on there. Not much better here. He wanted/ insisted on going. Best he went then and eventually we will be 30 mill better off. End of story. Personally I think his billy big b***ock*s attitude is a bit sh*te and really think he will struggle in the Prem. Enjoyed watching him but will still enjoy watching my club without him. Nobody is bigger than BFC. Just hope we stuff Coventry tomorrow!! You Beeeeessss!!!!
The fact West Ham were smart enough to agree personal terms before throwing the spanner in the works late on likely had something to do with him insisting on the move. There was no chance he'd have been a happy player waiting a year for 60k a week and the risks of getting injured associated with that. West Ham played it perfectly and in the end probably achieved what they set out to do. For us it's best he is gone and the deal appears a good one although like Boris with Brexit agreements I hope West Ham haven't another plan hidden like the one they had planned for today. I hope he does well mind; nobody could turn down that sort of payrise.
 

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Christ - Twitter is fun. Some real W@ nk ers on there. Not much better here. He wanted/ insisted on going. Best he went then and eventually we will be 30 mill better off. End of story. Personally I think his billy big b***ock*s attitude is a bit sh*te and really think he will struggle in the Prem. Enjoyed watching him but will still enjoy watching my club without him. Nobody is bigger than BFC. Just hope we stuff Coventry tomorrow!! You Beeeeessss!!!!
So the best player in the league and the best player arguably seen in a Brentford shirt will struggle in the prem? I dread to think how our squad will do then if we get promoted this season.
 

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So the best player in the league and the best player arguably seen in a Brentford shirt will struggle in the prem? I dread to think how our squad will do then if we get promoted this season.
My opinion only. I'll admit to being wrong if he's a star.
 

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I agree with many on here, The loan to buy situation wouldnt be an issue normally if we were dealing with a proper run club. My worry like many on here is that we are dealing with West Ham.
 

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Sorry to see him go but it was inevitable, whether now or in January. I wish him well and rather than pay attention to the rumours and suggestions of him behaving badly during negotiations - and only those itk will ever know the truth - I'd say I appreciate his request that Brentford staff get some sort of bonus from the proceeds of him leaving. For me, that makes him a gent.
 

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Its not their fault for this. I think they were put in an invidious position.
Yes. We've just been ripped off to the tune of - 25 M smackers. Backed into a corner by the Dildo Brothers.
 

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46 pages to talk about what we knew would happen this window. It was never going to be "if".
 

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Christ - Twitter is fun. Some real W@ nk ers on there. Not much better here. He wanted/ insisted on going. Best he went then and eventually we will be 30 mill better off. End of story. Personally I think his billy big b***ock*s attitude is a bit sh*te and really think he will struggle in the Prem. Enjoyed watching him but will still enjoy watching my club without him. Nobody is bigger than BFC. Just hope we stuff Coventry tomorrow!! You Beeeeessss!!!!
billy big b****ocks attitude is a bit sh*te? where have you got this from? have you read the article?

Phil continued: "Saïd has been a brilliant player for Brentford over the past two-and a-bit seasons. Thomas and I told him exactly that when we met him on Wednesday morning. As part of that conversation, Saïd suggested, and we agreed, that some money should be used as a reward for Club staff, many of whom have had a direct influence on Saïd's development during his time here and who have done a superb job in difficult circumstances in the last few months. We are happy with the agreement reached and this makes it a nice end to a good transfer window for the Club."
 

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billy big b****ocks attitude is a bit sh*te? where have you got this from? have you read the article?

Phil continued: "Saïd has been a brilliant player for Brentford over the past two-and a-bit seasons. Thomas and I told him exactly that when we met him on Wednesday morning. As part of that conversation, Saïd suggested, and we agreed, that some money should be used as a reward for Club staff, many of whom have had a direct influence on Saïd's development during his time here and who have done a superb job in difficult circumstances in the last few months. We are happy with the agreement reached and this makes it a nice end to a good transfer window for the Club."
Well not that bit obviously. Just my opinion of him. We're all allowed one even on here.
 

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Bank balance is a lot healthier......will I enjoy watching Brentford anywhere near as much...not a chance! Ghoddos is 27 years old and hasn’t made it, hope I’m wrong and we have seen something that no other clubs have
 

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If I was the best player in the league who could double nutmeg experienced defender, I reckon I'd be a bit bertie big b***ock*s. Goes with the territory doesn't it?
 
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Well it seems that we are very relaxed about the loan to permanent thing not worried at all 🤷‍♀️
 

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Just imagine if there was only the one thread for these 2,250 posts and all the others for the whole of the window.
Hopefully it would have depressed the number dumb posts that we find in this new system.j
 

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Well it seems that we are very relaxed about the loan to permanent thing not worried at all 🤷‍♀️
...permanent deal subject to further medical tests. Honestly, I don't trust that lot - and neither do their own fans.
 

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Has been a real pleasure watching him play for the Bees. I wish him well in the future. Been fun watching experts who have clearly never seen him play, comment on his footballing ability on Twitter. All I know is that those show reels of his best bits could have been many many times longer. His tricks, flicks, assists and goals were a treat to watch - pure box office. Now on to the next chapter. Step forward the next star...
 

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.....is the vitriol enough alone to make them sell the club...no.....but they will sell....all about timing.
Normally if we sell a big player we get a load of gloating fans from other clubs.... tonight our timeline just had loads of West Ham fans apologising for the behaviour of their owners. They absolutely hate them.
 

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Nice touch here.. Well done Said and good luck
If you're referring to the club staff reward, this is the original ICYMI:
Phil Giles said:
Saïd has been a brilliant player for Brentford over the past two-and a-bit seasons. Thomas and I told him exactly that when we met him on Wednesday morning. As part of that conversation, Saïd suggested, and we agreed, that some money should be used as a reward for Club staff, many of whom have had a direct influence on Saïd's development during his time here and who have done a superb job in difficult circumstances in the last few months. We are happy with the agreement reached and this makes it a nice end to a good transfer window for the Club.
 

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Well it seems that we are very relaxed about the loan to permanent thing not worried at all 🤷‍♀️
No way, but according to a few know feck alls on here, we've been stitched up, mugged off, had our pants pulled down.

I hope I get lots of likes for this post because that's the only reason why I post supportive stuff about our club apparently. :)
 

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If I was the best player in the league who could double nutmeg experienced defender, I reckon I'd be a bit bertie big b***ock*s. Goes with the territory doesn't it?
...indeed...i hope the lad joins his pal at city one day....he's a natural....a talented footballer....and i say that having seen jimmy johnstone dribble rings round Rangers defenders....many many many years ago.....at a time when scottish football was not totally discredited.
 

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Well it seems that we are very relaxed about the loan to permanent thing not worried at all 🤷‍♀️
With all due respect what else would the club say? They aren’t going to say anything else...if what you say is correct with regards to the add ons being unlikely then it’s a bit disappointing
 

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What a fantastic talent he is. Owners aside West Ham look pretty decent this year but he is now their best player. I have no doubt that they will make him the focal point of their team before long and I'm glad he gets a couple more opportunities to humiliate Fulham defenders. A year or two and we will have another wedge when he moves on to a bigger club.
 

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With all due respect what else would the club say? They aren’t going to say anything else...if what you say is correct with regards to the add ons being unlikely then it’s a bit disappointing
Indeed. They're certainly not going to say, "WHU are up to their old tricks and we're disappointed we haven't banked £25 million."

I wonder what the reaction would have been on here four days ago if it was stated he's going out on loan for £4m and there's no lump sum coming in. 100% 'tell them to stuff it' I would think. But the 'dodgy medical' left BFC no time to do much else, so it's still apparently a good deal. It certainly will be when/if the next £20mill is banked. I look forward to that day when that pair of shysters actually part with that money - then we can relax.
 

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The only way a loan with an obligation to buy makes sense is if (i) one of the clubs needs it that way (a la ghoddos) or (ii) the obligation has some kind of caveat to it.

From what I've seen there's no suggestion that situation (i) applies here. (Unless you count west ham's need to hang on to £20m for a bit longer.) That doesn't stack up because, as many have said, any sale could have been structured in instalments over the same period.

Suggests to me that there may be some caveat to the obligation to buy. Presumably it's to do with the medical issue. I.e if it turns out to be serious then the obligation falls away.

We must be confident that this isn't an issue. But equally we must have seen evidence to suggest that there was something no quite right - otherwise why agree to the restructuring of the deal? Reports suggest that everyone's confident itll go through but it sounds lile west ham weren't able to get appropriate insurance for a full purchase in time. Theyve either got short term insurance cover or have just chanced £5m on it not being an issue.

But if, god forbid, the medical issue is serious then and they decide they dont want him then said comes back to us at the end of the season and we've trousered the initial £5m.

If it's not an issue then west ham have to cough up the remainder - presumably over the following 4 years. No problem.

Given that so much rides on it for both clubs you'd expect that the arrangements include an independent medical expert to adjudicate on the issue. (We won't agree to west ham's in house quack telling us said is crocked if he fails to shine in the prem).

We've not been shafted. It's a cracking piece of business by the DoFs - but it's not (quite) as good as a sale.
 

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The assumption that the people in charge -who have presided over the most successful period in the last 70 years, building a stylish team largely by outmaneouvring teams with bigger budgets - have been "done over", is laughable.

Do people really think that the team in charge won't have considered the things being typed here?

In the same thread people are also slagging off one of, if not the best player at Brentford in my lifetime either for his attitude (having asked for money to go to the staff), or for not actually being all that good.... Always the same nonsense no matter what the division, I still remember fans losing their sh*t over Glenn Poole being let go.

If the last 6 or 7 years haven't bought them some trust, then I give up.
 

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The only way a loan with an obligation to buy makes sense is if (i) one of the clubs needs it that way (a la ghoddos) or (ii) the obligation has some kind of caveat to it.

From what I've seen there's no suggestion that situation (i) applies here. (Unless you count west ham's need to hang on to £20m for a bit longer.) That doesn't stack up because, as many have said, any sale could have been structured in instalments over the same period.

Suggests to me that there may be some caveat to the obligation to buy. Presumably it's to do with the medical issue. I.e if it turns out to be serious then the obligation falls away.

We must be confident that this isn't an issue. But equally we must have seen evidence to suggest that there was something no quite right - otherwise why agree to the restructuring of the deal? Reports suggest that everyone's confident itll go through but it sounds lile west ham weren't able to get appropriate insurance for a full purchase in time. Theyve either got short term insurance cover or have just chanced £5m on it not being an issue.

But if, god forbid, the medical issue is serious then and they decide they dont want him then said comes back to us at the end of the season and we've trousered the initial £5m.

If it's not an issue then west ham have to cough up the remainder - presumably over the following 4 years. No problem.

Given that so much rides on it for both clubs you'd expect that the arrangements include an independent medical expert to adjudicate on the issue. (We won't agree to west ham's in house quack telling us said is crocked if he fails to shine in the prem).

We've not been shafted. It's a cracking piece of business by the DoFs - but it's not (quite) as good as a sale.
That sounds like a very plausible explanation to me :)
 

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I agree with many on here, The loan to buy situation wouldnt be an issue normally if we were dealing with a proper run club. My worry like many on here is that we are dealing with West Ham.
What's the worry? If they don't cough up then we get him back but with a years PL experience and increased value.. Plus we take the ****ers to court... win win
 
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