Saman Ghoddos - Signs to June 2023 (+1yr option)

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He doesn't suit our system. He has ability on the ball but he's so slow and that doesn't suit our strengths.
 

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He doesn't suit our system. He has ability on the ball but he's so slow and that doesn't suit our strengths.
Slow!! That’s an understatement!

Wherever he played his football before, they must have a rule that every player is allowed 10 seconds thinking time before being challenged.

Our directors of football surely watched his video clips at x10 speed when they were sucked into buying him.
 

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I have to say he’s not what I thought we were signing . Big disappointment in the main
 

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I’ve mentioned previously, he’s not too dissimilar to the signing of Marcondes.

Obviously talented but not an easy fit into any position in our 4-3-3. Plus, a bit behind the required fitness levels for English football and only really getting minutes off the bench.

Not good.

His cameo tonight largely consisted of pretty sideways and backwards passes being played on the edge of our own box. Totally ineffective.

Whilst we are playing this system I seriously wonder if Zamburek would not be a better option.
 

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We played him as a virtual quarter back last night. If we’re going to play him there then we might as well not bring him on at all because he’s completely ineffectual in that position.
 

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I got the impression that we're just playing him because we've spent money on him tbh.

He was brought in and played on the left, which is where I beleive we wanted to play him to replace Benrahma, however very quickly it's became apparent he doesn't have the pace or athleticism to play wide in our system, so we've started shoehorning him in at centre mid where he doesn't really do much, he's a less effective Marcondes.

A really, really, really poor signing when you consider how much we spent on him, him, Valencia and potentially Mbuemo are signings we've made for the wings that aren't lacking in financial backing, but I doubt we'll see much of it back.
 

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I got the impression that we're just playing him because we've spent money on him tbh.

He was brought in and played on the left, which is where I beleive we wanted to play him to replace Benrahma, however very quickly it's became apparent he doesn't have the pace or athleticism to play wide in our system, so we've started shoehorning him in at centre mid where he doesn't really do much, he's a less effective Marcondes.

A really, really, really poor signing when you consider how much we spent on him, him, Valencia and potentially Mbuemo are signings we've made for the wings that aren't lacking in financial backing, but I doubt we'll see much of it back.
Isn’t he a centre forward? I think he has a touch of Maupay about him, but as you said he’s been played out of position. I get the feeling we signed him as a CF knowing Toney wouldn’t be with us for long
 

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His deep playmaker position when he came on last night was baffling. When he came on, I was thinking that it was to get close to Toney, he ended up further away than Jensen had been.
Totally agree. He was taking the ball of of Pontus and Pinnock when he needed to be as far away from them as possible! We already had CN doing the same job.
 

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Isn’t he a centre forward? I think he has a touch of Maupay about him, but as you said he’s been played out of position. I get the feeling we signed him as a CF knowing Toney wouldn’t be with us for long
Nah, he's been a number 10 traditionally, or a wide forward, with us not operating a number 10 we bought him to replace Saiid.
 

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His deep playmaker position when he came on last night was baffling. When he came on, I was thinking that it was to get close to Toney, he ended up further away than Jensen had been.
Yep. Didn't get that. I think he could be good for us but behind the striker. Much like Marcondes but we don't play with that. I'd assumed when he and Marcondes came on they'd both sit behind Toney, play off him and break into the box but it didn't happen. Odd
 

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Yep. Didn't get that. I think he could be good for us but behind the striker. Much like Marcondes but we don't play with that. I'd assumed when he and Marcondes came on they'd both sit behind Toney, play off him and break into the box but it didn't happen. Odd
What i don't understand is why did we sign 2 players that play in a position that we don't use. That and we didn't replace Said with a winger who has pace.
 

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Isn’t he a centre forward? I think he has a touch of Maupay about him, but as you said he’s been played out of position. I get the feeling we signed him as a CF knowing Toney wouldn’t be with us for long
Yes. We tried to sign him when Maupay was going. It was only when we couldn't get a CF through the door that Ollie was converted to a CF.
 

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What i don't understand is why did we sign 2 players that play in a position that we don't use. That and we didn't replace Said with a winger who has pace.
God knows... Maybe that was an option we wanted in conjunction with another signing that didn't come off? I think at the time we signed Marcondes the plan was still to play with a 10 (at least that's what they told him!) but then that had changed before he arrived.
 

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Isn’t he a centre forward? I think he has a touch of Maupay about him, but as you said he’s been played out of position. I get the feeling we signed him as a CF knowing Toney wouldn’t be with us for long
He has said that he best position is a Number 10 (which I also think is Marcondes' best position) but we've tried to make him into a Number 8, which hasn't quite worked.
 

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Looking like a very expensive mistake.
 

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Looking like a very expensive mistake.
He is certainly no Central Midfielder

All I can think is that we have a new position for him next year? Maybe play to his strengths behind a front two? I doubt it though.

Surely they cannot make the same mistake as Emilano?
 

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With the current loss of form/ability of our two wingers, and what appears to be a stubborn refusal to start Fosu, I do wonder whether it would be worth having a go with a 4231.
The two DM’s pick themselves and then the three attacking midfielders, Ghoddos, Marcondes and Jensen supporting and playing off Ivan. Staying fairly central but with the freedom to drift wide if the opportunity presents itself.

(It works well on Fifa21 😂😂).
 

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How long has he been with us? It's generally acknowledged that it takes a while to settle in a new league so why the experts insist he's a mistake is beyond me. He may well not fit in but at least give him a chance.
Couldn’t agree more. Maupay couldn’t get arrested for most of his first season, then whammo!
 

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How long has he been with us? It's generally acknowledged that it takes a while to settle in a new league so why the experts insist he's a mistake is beyond me. He may well not fit in but at least give him a chance.
Hit the post and you’re unlucky, and no-one remembers, but score and you’re a star. A fact of life unfortunately. Didn’t they put out a little acknowledgement when Janelt was signed, that it might take him a while to settle in, yet he fitted like a glove! Sometimes, necessity is the mother of invention!
 

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With the current loss of form/ability of our two wingers, and what appears to be a stubborn refusal to start Fosu, I do wonder whether it would be worth having a go with a 4231.
The two DM’s pick themselves and then the three attacking midfielders, Ghoddos, Marcondes and Jensen supporting and playing off Ivan. Staying fairly central but with the freedom to drift wide if the opportunity presents itself.

(It works well on Fifa21 😂😂).
I like that but think we would really lack width going forward with the current full back situation
 

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With the current loss of form/ability of our two wingers, and what appears to be a stubborn refusal to start Fosu, I do wonder whether it would be worth having a go with a 4231.
The two DM’s pick themselves and then the three attacking midfielders, Ghoddos, Marcondes and Jensen supporting and playing off Ivan. Staying fairly central but with the freedom to drift wide if the opportunity presents itself.

(It works well on Fifa21 😂😂).
Could you please try 4132 on Fifa21 🤣
 

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If like us to play a 442 and get someone really close and playing off Toney .
 

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With the current loss of form/ability of our two wingers, and what appears to be a stubborn refusal to start Fosu, I do wonder whether it would be worth having a go with a 4231.
The two DM’s pick themselves and then the three attacking midfielders, Ghoddos, Marcondes and Jensen supporting and playing off Ivan. Staying fairly central but with the freedom to drift wide if the opportunity presents itself.

(It works well on Fifa21 😂😂).
Yes, I've wondered about this. The other option currently with the full backs injured and no JDS would be 3-5-2. It would be ridiculous, crazily attacking and almost certainly backfire but maybe fun finding out for a game or two before the opposition pick it off...

Raya
Jansson - Reid - Pinnock
Fosu/Canos - Ghoddos - Norgaard - Jensen - Mbeumo
Toney - Forss

Obviously plenty interchangeable there - you could bring in Dalsgaard and MBS at wingback to make it much more defensive (I accept Mbeumo is clearly not a wingback but might be fun to try). Also, Marcondes would fit perfectly into one of those attacking mid roles. Alternatively, keep Forss on the bench and try Mbeumo as a centre-forward alongside Toney to see if there's a Watkins-esque conversion possible.

I'm sure people who know more about tactics than me would find a million holes in that system but just for a game or two it could be fun watching the opposition trying to contain six attackers coming from all directions. Returning to the thread, it would also likely get the best out of Ghoddos who otherwise doesn't fit.
 

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Yes, I've wondered about this. The other option currently with the full backs injured and no JDS would be 3-5-2. It would be ridiculous, crazily attacking and almost certainly backfire but maybe fun finding out for a game or two before the opposition pick it off...

Raya
Jansson - Reid - Pinnock
Fosu/Canos - Ghoddos - Norgaard - Jensen - Mbeumo
Toney - Forss
Part of me is surprised Thomas hasn't tried 3 at the back too, although last years experiment and the lack of training this year would be my guess as to why.
Would love to see Mbuemo put up top with Tony in this formation as opposed to wing back though.
 

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Part of me is surprised Thomas hasn't tried 3 at the back too, although last years experiment and the lack of training this year would be my guess as to why.
Would love to see Mbuemo put up top with Tony in this formation as opposed to wing back though.
Re Mbeano with Toney up top. I think one of Bryan’s better games was when Ivan missed a game through injury and Bryan played through the middle. So it may well work but will Thomas take the risk ,to me you see Thomas’s reluctance when it’s always very late when he brings on Forss
 

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How long has he been with us? It's generally acknowledged that it takes a while to settle in a new league so why the experts insist he's a mistake is beyond me. He may well not fit in but at least give him a chance.
Doesnt make people experts, its their opinion for the money we have paid for him.
 
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Doesnt make people experts, its their opinion for the money we have paid for him.
They aren't giving their opinion, they're telling us he's a waste of money. I have no problem with people having opinions, that's a purpose of forums, it's that they treat their opinion as fact.
 

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They aren't giving their opinion, they're telling us he's a waste of money. I have no problem with people having opinions, that's a purpose of forums, it's that they treat their opinion as fact.
Well at 4million quid hes not looking like a bargain
 

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Wonder how Ghoddos feels seeing Fosu starring in the no.10 role that we haven't tried him in! Was a weird day today with two no.10s on the bench and Fosu owning the position on the pitch and likewise, no less than THREE centre backs on the bench and Norgaard taking control in the centre of a three..
 
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Wonder how Ghoddos feels seeing Fosu starring in the no.10 role that we haven't tried him in! Was a weird day today with two no.10s on the bench and Fosu owning the position on the pitch and likewise, no less than THREE centre backs on the bench and Norgaard taking control in the centre of a three..
I don't think that is a big deal, as far as I know, Ghoddos is a team player and that is how it should be. he played in a position totally different from his natural position for the team, and if TF thinks that Fosu should start today, or the next day.. then so be it, it will just be fuel for more focus and hard work. and who knows, maybe he got a knock in training or whatever, thousand of reasons that a player could be on the bench.

I'd of course love to see Ghoddos play all matches but it is what it is. The team won today with a new formation, something i was scratching my head on why TF kept using 433. The players Brentford has in the team are made for these formations and other than this it's just weird. again this is just how i think about it not necessarily fact, just oppinion.
 
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I don't think that is a big deal, as far as I know, Ghoddos is a team player and that is how it should be. he played in a position totally different from his natural position for the team, and if TF thinks that Fosu should start today, or the next day.. then so be it, it will just be fuel for more focus and hard work. and who knows, maybe he got a knock in training or whatever, thousand of reasons that a player could be on the bench.

I'd of course love to see Ghoddos play all matches but it is what it is. The team won today with a new formation, something i was scratching my head on why TF kept using 433. The players Brentford has in the team are made for these formations and other than this it's just weird. again this is just how i think about it not necessarily fact, just oppinion.
We played 433 because it took us to within a point of top of the league.
 

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We played 433 because it took us to within a point of top of the league.
Yes it did, but we had lost the potency we were showing during most of our long unbeaten run.
By changing only 2 players today the others all far exceeded their recent performances because of formation change.
Would we be able to play in the same way twice a week, or would some personnel need to change? No midweek game this week, so they can all recharge. If there was Saman could start the next game.
 
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We played 433 because it took us to within a point of top of the league.
I'm personally not a fan of the 433 formation, but i meant from when even the bottom placed teams started to become hard for us to beat, he should have done something about it. anyway, i'm glad he finally did, and i hope it's not too late.
 

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I'm personally not a fan of the 433 formation, but i meant from when even the bottom placed teams started to become hard for us to beat, he should have done something about it. anyway, i'm glad he finally did, and i hope it's not too late.
During the recent run of draws our penalties disguised our failings. Without those maybe a formation change would have been needed sooner
Last season 433 was a great fit with our playing staff. This season often we were seeing its shortcomings, even as long ago as Wycombe away where we created little.
Forss is a quality player which is why he has a contract until 2026, but he has been a sub for most of the season with a few 5 or 10 minute cameos. He deserves to start regularly and give the opposition the problem of having to mark Toney & Forss
 
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He is mediocre and must be great on the training ground. Not seen anything from him to warrant even a place on the bench. Hey ho.
 

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He's got something about him, but agreed he doesn't show it anywhere near enough. Hopefully a summer off and a year in the league will help him start stronger next season. I think he needs to tune into the other players better, always seems to not be on the same wavelength.
 

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He's got something about him, but agreed he doesn't show it anywhere near enough. Hopefully a summer off and a year in the league will help him start stronger next season. I think he needs to tune into the other players better, always seems to not be on the same wavelength.
Thought he was better than Marcondes, who is very similar. Maybe saving it for the PO's....
 

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Agreed I think it's something they both do, and they are quite similar.
 

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He's got something about him, but agreed he doesn't show it anywhere near enough. Hopefully a summer off and a year in the league will help him start stronger next season. I think he needs to tune into the other players better, always seems to not be on the same wavelength.
It's not the same wavelength, just not good enough to play for us
 

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I think he's OK, but I don't understand why we didn't sign a proper left winger to replace Benrahma. Didn't have to be as good, but just an above average Championship winger would have been a big boost to the squad.
 

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It's not the same wavelength, just not good enough to play for us
I was trying not to say that... 😂 I hope he can become an important player, I always hope that with our players even when I doubt if they can. Next season will be the one to confirm that either way. I will cautiously give him the benefit of the doubt given his previous issues and lack of game time for a couple of years. I think a long summer will suit quite a few of our players.
 

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