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I‘ll get my opinion in early then. I don’t rate him … if that’s okay with you.
I do rate him, but think he needs to watch and learn from Shandon’sexample. Silky smooth strolling like a new ChrisKamara one minute, and lightning fast the next minute. That Shandon shot yesterday was out of this world, so unluckily not to hit the inside of the post. Saman shoots like that as well, with short backlift and huge power.
 

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I do rate him, but think he needs to watch and learn from Shandon’sexample. Silky smooth strolling like a new ChrisKamara one minute, and lightning fast the next minute. That Shandon shot yesterday was out of this world, so unluckily not to hit the inside of the post. Saman shoots like that as well, with short backlift and huge power.
Shandon was told to shoot more, I hope Saman was too. I hate seeing players who while thinking “should I shoot?” are closed down and then the opponent blocks it from a yard away. I believe speed of our decisions will be very important, far more than in the Championship
 

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I think we need to play Saman further forward if we're to get the best out of him. We want him in and around the pen area making his clever runs off the ball and picking the passes. Looked excellent as one of the top two with Mbeumo in their couple of cameos. If we try and play him as an 8 as we did most of last year then it's not going to work out well for either of us.
 

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I think we need to play Saman further forward if we're to get the best out of him. We want him in and around the pen area making his clever runs off the ball and picking the passes. Looked excellent as one of the top two with Mbeumo in their couple of cameos. If we try and play him as an 8 as we did most of last year then it's not going to work out well for either of us.

That would be his best position but I would still play Forss, Halil, Mbeumo or Canos there before him. I can't help feeling we should just cut our losses, get rid, and find someone better. This is one signing I have no confidence will pay off.
 

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I don’t think he is good enough for the Championship never mind the Premier League. Would be delighted to be proven wrong.
 

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Blimey, it's already starting :) for what it's worth i think he'll come good this year. We were very determined in our pursuit of him - can't disagree that he's been "disappointing" overall so far, but only just, and he's certainly no waste of space. Think he'll be a good front 3 option in the 3-4-3, less sure of his spot in a 4-3-3 though...
 

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I think we need to play Saman further forward if we're to get the best out of him. We want him in and around the pen area making his clever runs off the ball and picking the passes. Looked excellent as one of the top two with Mbeumo in their couple of cameos. If we try and play him as an 8 as we did most of last year then it's not going to work out well for either of us.
The Marcondes effect.
 

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I notice he is labelled as a striker on the BFC squad pages on the official site. Has this always been the case? It maybe points to how he will be used this season (as some in here have already suggested).
 

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I notice he is labelled as a striker on the BFC squad pages on the official site. Has this always been the case? It maybe points to how he will be used this season (as some in here have already suggested).
I am looking for Saman to provide goals and assists, I don't expect him to be a box to box player getting his foot in. This is what I will measure him on. I hope he is able to step up in the prem because imo he was unable to do that consistently last season in the Championship.
 

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I notice he is labelled as a striker on the BFC squad pages on the official site. Has this always been the case? It maybe points to how he will be used this season (as some in here have already suggested).
Hopefully. Although he had a few decent performances further back he should be an attacking player first and foremost.
 

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I am looking for Saman to provide goals and assists, I don't expect him to be a box to box player getting his foot in. This is what I will measure him on. I hope he is able to step up in the prem because imo he was unable to do that consistently last season in the Championship.
When he was played in that advanced position he did pretty consistently well last season. But he was very often drafted in to do much more of the box to box work, most likely because we were short of players to do that job. So your approach is right and hopefully with the arrival of Onyeke and Baptiste returning from injury we should not see Saman doing box to box work often. If he is, it’ll be TF’s decision and probably only late on seeing a game out.
 

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I notice he is labelled as a striker on the BFC squad pages on the official site. Has this always been the case? It maybe points to how he will be used this season (as some in here have already suggested).
If we play 3-5-2, considering how many people we have who can play in the three spots across central midfield, it might make sense to consider Ghoddos more for the position of second striker behind Toney, competing with Bryan and Halil
 
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If we play 3-5-2, considering how many people we have who can play in the three spots across central midfield, it might make sense to consider Ghoddos more for the position of second striker behind Toney, competing with Bryan and Halil
Or, if circumstances allow, playing up top with Bryan, where they have combined well before.
 

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Or, if circumstances allow, playing up top with Bryan, where they have combined well before.
Yes, I suppose Bryan has the speed and the lower body strength to perhaps play the role of focal striker if Toney gets injured and then Samman could play off him and drop in between the lines
 
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I agree with some and disagree with others. My personal opinion is that TF hasn't really utilized Saman in his system yet. I remember when he just joined Brentford he assisted Fors, and some games later in which he was attacking more scored some goals. the more the season progressed the more I saw him come back and take the ball to distribute it, which in my opinion again, did quite well despite not being in his usual position.

Some say he's not premier league quality, absolutely disagree, he's played in the EL with a team that was half of Brentford's team and yet managed to kick Arsenal's ass in which Arsene praised him a lot. played very nice in League 1 against teams that now are contenders to win the champions league and such. you'd use a hammer to hit a nail in a wood, not a screwdriver. exactly the same with Saman, TF should use him in his natural position, not somewhere else where he needs to develop.

The only reason I think TF chooses Saman to play that position is that he doesn't have a better player to fill that role in that position, and has other good players he wants to use as well to fill Samans spot. I don't think Mbeumo would be as successful coming back to the defense and distribute the ball as Saman is doing, Not saying he can't but more he would do better not playing that position for example.
 

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I agree with some and disagree with others. My personal opinion is that TF hasn't really utilized Saman in his system yet. I remember when he just joined Brentford he assisted Fors, and some games later in which he was attacking more scored some goals. the more the season progressed the more I saw him come back and take the ball to distribute it, which in my opinion again, did quite well despite not being in his usual position.

Some say he's not premier league quality, absolutely disagree, he's played in the EL with a team that was half of Brentford's team and yet managed to kick Arsenal's ass in which Arsene praised him a lot. played very nice in League 1 against teams that now are contenders to win the champions league and such. you'd use a hammer to hit a nail in a wood, not a screwdriver. exactly the same with Saman, TF should use him in his natural position, not somewhere else where he needs to develop.

The only reason I think TF chooses Saman to play that position is that he doesn't have a better player to fill that role in that position, and has other good players he wants to use as well to fill Samans spot. I don't think Mbeumo would be as successful coming back to the defense and distribute the ball as Saman is doing, Not saying he can't but more he would do better not playing that position for example.
Maybe but I’m not sure he can dine out on a couple of great performances 5 years ago forever. What is his position? Is it one Brentford actually plays? I’ve always thought he would be best just behind the striker and he has a fierce shot taking the rebounds and knockdowns from there. Today that looked like where he was or could have been with us playing him as one of the front two in a 352 but he didn’t have the speed of thought or foot to dig the ball out or make the quick pass to a nearby team mate when closed down often enough. I can’t see him starting many PL games as a positive tactical choice because we have better performing players in positions which actually fit the overall team shape.

I can see he’s worked really hard to improve his fitness and he puts in a shift on the pitch but I’m not sure it’s enough yet. He needs to either become a much better hammer or learn how to be a screwdriver. We can’t just keep wishing screws were nails.
 
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Maybe but I’m not sure he can dine out on a couple of great performances 5 years ago forever. What is his position? Is it one Brentford actually plays? I’ve always thought he would be best just behind the striker and he has a fierce shot taking the rebounds and knockdowns from there. Today that looked like where he was or could have been with us playing him as one of the front two in a 352 but he didn’t have the speed of thought or foot to dig the ball out or make the quick pass to a nearby team mate when closed down often enough. I can’t see him starting many PL games as a positive tactical choice because we have better performing players in positions which actually fit the overall team shape.

I can see he’s worked really hard to improve his fitness and he puts in a shift on the pitch but I’m not sure it’s enough yet. He needs to either become a much better hammer or learn how to be a screwdriver. We can’t just keep wishing screws were nails.
AB and Persian Tactician, where I think your thoughts coincide is that he needs to be more aggressive and more selfish. He got into positions today that I think Ivan would have shot from. Saman was continuously looking to lay the ball off. Frank in contrast, really tried to make things happen when he came on. Think Saman has got to be more assertive, and push his weight around (even if there is less of it now !).
 

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AB and Persian Tactician, where I think your thoughts coincide is that he needs to be more aggressive and more selfish. He got into positions today that I think Ivan would have shot from. Saman was continuously looking to lay the ball off. Frank in contrast, really tried to make things happen when he came on. Think Saman has got to be more assertive, and push his weight around (even if there is less of it now !).
Maybe he needs to get that German olympic judo trainer to smack him around before kick off to get him fired up. He sounded a nice guy in his interview last season, perhaps too nice!

You don’t have to be big to be tough. I was expecting Frank the Tank to be much more heavily built than he is.
 

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If we were to loan him out I think he’d struggle to get minutes in the Championship.

Not currently in good enough form to get a move to one of the better sides. But also not the sort of player a team fighting relegation really needs (a number ten with a lack of physicality).

Leads me to think he will either stay here and play very little or go on loan abroad as per Valencia last season.
 

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If we were to loan him out I think he’d struggle to get minutes in the Championship.

Not currently in good enough form to get a move to one of the better sides. But also not the sort of player a team fighting relegation really needs (a number ten with a lack of physicality).

Leads me to think he will either stay here and play very little or go on loan abroad as per Valencia last season.
Or, like Emiliano, develop over time to be a decent squad player who ends up scoring the goal to win the FA Cup and then gets released at the end of his contract.
 

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Or, like Emiliano, develop over time to be a decent squad player who ends up scoring the goal to win the FA Cup and then gets released at the end of his contract.
I think the depth of the squad in his position will make that difficult, but you never know.

It’s not that I think he’s necessarily a terrible player or anything. I just think he’s got too many other players ahead of him.
 

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Ghoddos is not a patch on Marcondes and never will be. You could tell from day one that Marcondes had something but just didn’t initially fit into our formation. Apart from a couple of goals Ghoddos has not shown much at all…shame but the Dofs get a lot more right than wrong..
 

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AB and Persian Tactician, where I think your thoughts coincide is that he needs to be more aggressive and more selfish. He got into positions today that I think Ivan would have shot from. Saman was continuously looking to lay the ball off. Frank in contrast, really tried to make things happen when he came on. Think Saman has got to be more assertive, and push his weight around (even if there is less of it now !).
I thought his performance was decent today and think it's overly simplistic to say that any improvement in the second half was due to him being replaced by Onyeka. However, I agree that he was too reluctant to shoot on a couple of occasions and that he still has to prove himself. He may not get many more chances to do so if everyone stays fit.
 

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Thought he was decent enough first half, was involved in our best moments, played in Forss for his 'goal' and also set up Mbeumo with a chance I think. Had a couple of really good shooting opportunites which he declined. Whole midfield was too slow though first half and we needed to up the tempo/pressing or bring a bit more creativity in. Was very tight in there. Second half changes saw the wing backs pushed further forward and Mbeumo go more central, with Onyeka's energy and intensity helping us to get back on the ball quickly and move the ball much quicker. Bit harsh to say it was because Ghoddos went off but you've got the question whether he can play with that intensity which we're likely to need. You can see why we're looking at bringing in Cajuste as well, as he's also apparently got the technique to get past players as well as the pressing/tackling ability of Onyeka.. Think Saman will find it hard to find his way into the first team if he comes in and Jensen and Baptiste are fit. Even Bidstrup and Peart-Harris looked quality when they came on.
 

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He always seems to be with another one of our players rather than a space of his own. It's like he has no position of his own.
 
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I thought his performance was decent today and think it's overly simplistic to say that any improvement in the second half was due to him being replaced by Onyeka. However, I agree that he was too reluctant to shoot on a couple of occasions and that he still has to prove himself. He may not get many more chances to do so if everyone stays fit.

This. I mean his positioning was really good in my opinion and at times in the first half, he was in a goal-scoring position (mainly pointing to mbeumo just trying a shot from a closed position while ghoddos was wide open to score with a shot).

Overall he definitely needs more aggression in his game. I really want to see his former no-nonsense bs without saying sorry to the other team he's playing against. We've seen that a couple of times last season, but man I really like him to shoot and be selfish sometimes. he has the capability but I can't really understand why he doesn't. I could see 1 or 2 times where he hesitated getting a shot on goal but instead just passed to get the ball across goal for a tap-in.

These friendlies are the ones where I thought having him shoot and be selfish at times would have upped his confidence since it's just a friendly.. but again I really don't know why he didn't.

2nd half i think we played a more positive attacking game but i must say that Valencia also disrupted their flow by having 5+ substitutions. It takes at least 10 minutes to get lively in the match.
 

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I'd always urge caution in overreacting to a friendly...... but he certainly didn't take his chance yesterday, and as ever, it's hard to see where he fits in.
 

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Ghoddos is not a patch on Marcondes and never will be. You could tell from day one that Marcondes had something but just didn’t initially fit into our formation. Apart from a couple of goals Ghoddos has not shown much at all…shame but the Dofs get a lot more right than wrong..
We agree about Ghoddos but you are looking at Marcondes through rose-tinted glasses. If you saw from day one that Marcondes had something, you were on your own.
 

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While he's our player let's be positive with the good aspects of his play and his potential in our side this season. Thank God it's not one of those who post so negatively on here who coach or select our team. Time will tell how we fare and how effectively each of our players contributes to hopefully a successful as well as hugely exciting season ahead. There's no point in being critical of any of our players at this stage.
 

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While he's our player let's be positive with the good aspects of his play and his potential in our side this season. Thank God it's not one of those who post so negatively on here who coach or select our team. Time will tell how we fare and how effectively each of our players contributes to hopefully a successful as well as hugely exciting season ahead. There's no point in being critical of any of our players at this stage.
Posters on here are just saying what they see. Unfortunately it's not always positive, but that is OK as long as its constructive. No good hiding your head in the sand if someone is not producing the goods, and pretending it's not happening. We all want Ghoddas to do well but if it's not happening then it needs to be called out. And unfortunately in his case there are many posters on here along with me, who are concerned with the level of his performance, nothing wrong with that.
 

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Looked a player in his youtube videos but we havnt seen any of that in a bees shirt
 
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Posters on here are just saying what they see. Unfortunately it's not always positive, but that is OK as long as its constructive. No good hiding your head in the sand if someone is not producing the goods, and pretending it's not happening. We all want Ghoddas to do well but if it's not happening then it needs to be called out. And unfortunately in his case there are many posters on here along with me, who are concerned with the level of his performance, nothing wrong with that.
Does it? Really?
What will it solve?
 

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I thought his performance was decent today and think it's overly simplistic to say that any improvement in the second half was due to him being replaced by Onyeka. However, I agree that he was too reluctant to shoot on a couple of occasions and that he still has to prove himself. He may not get many more chances to do so if everyone stays fit.
That was the EXACT reason ffs lol lol
 

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Someone has to be the worse player I suppose and some on here will seek em out every week,Don’t think he adapted to the pace of the championship last season when obviously he wasn’t fully fit he now looks fitter but a big ask for him to go up another gear to play regularly in the PL and that might be the case for some other squad players.Yesterday it was pretty obvious as much as he put a good effort in he was the most ineffective although still think there is a player there after all the DoFs tracked him for 2 seasons.
 

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Someone has to be the worse player I suppose and some on here will seek em out every week,Don’t think he adapted to the pace of the championship last season when obviously he wasn’t fully fit he now looks fitter but a big ask for him to go up another gear to play regularly in the PL and that might be the case for some other squad players.Yesterday it was pretty obvious as much as he put a good effort in he was the most ineffective although still think there is a player there after all the DoFs tracked him for 2 seasons.
If our most ineffective player each game can press the opposition enough to regain possession pass it to a teammate who scores I will be very happy with that. It wasn’t Saman’s fault Marcus was offside
 
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