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You don’t rate Ghoddos
You have made that very clear
Try not to let it cloud your judgment
Very, very different players! Personally, I've been disappointed with Frank's positioning but I hope he'll adjust to the requirements within the team, whereas Saman is now making a clear contribution in his appearances, again adjusting to a different position in a different style of play.
 

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Interesting interview. IMO we are all aware that Ghoddos is a very talented player. It's also evident that he has struggled with the intensity of the game. The trouble is that the level of intensity in the Prem is a layer above the Championship. We are all different physically and Ghoddos and Jensen face a similar challenge in attaining the kind of intensity required. I hope he can do that because if he can , he will be a huge asset.
 
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He seems a really nice guy, however I feel that the decisions are made based mainly because he cannot play at the intensity required at this moment in time.

i don't think the intensity is an issue, the PL is hard for any player. I think what TF wants from Ghoddos is too strict and Ghoddos is a player that suits a more less strict free flowing positional play towards the front. He's the guy that can find the gap and play the pass and shoot. Who knows he might fit in what TF has in his mind for the upcoming match. But what i know is that players tend to get frustrated if not getting enough game time to stay fit in a year leading up to the world cup, which of course is understandable.

I'm glad he's honest and never gives up, which makes me proud.
 

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i don't think the intensity is an issue, the PL is hard for any player. I think what TF wants from Ghoddos is too strict and Ghoddos is a player that suits a more less strict free flowing positional play towards the front. He's the guy that can find the gap and play the pass and shoot. Who knows he might fit in what TF has in his mind for the upcoming match. But what i know is that players tend to get frustrated if not getting enough game time to stay fit in a year leading up to the world cup, which of course is understandable.

I'm glad he's honest and never gives up, which makes me proud.
What Thomas wants and the Prem demands is the physicality to do the defensive stuff. There's no doubting his skills from the number 10 position. We can't carry anyone who can't do both at this level.That's Ghoddos's challenge.IMO it will also be a challenge for Jensen.
 

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An honest interview with Saman, acknowledging he wasn’t fit as he wanted to be when joining the club - Brentford stuff is the 1st half of the interview.


Excellent interview. We probably haven’t seen the best of him but he is behind in the pecking order.
When he gets his chances he needs to make a difference to a game to make himself more dynamic.
 

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What Thomas wants and the Prem demands is the physicality to do the defensive stuff. There's no doubting his skills from the number 10 position. We can't carry anyone who can't do both at this level.That's Ghoddos's challenge.IMO it will also be a challenge for Jensen.
Were you at Villa Park? I was very pleasantly surprised at the shift Ghoddos put in.
 

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Were you at Villa Park? I was very pleasantly surprised at the shift Ghoddos put in.
… and against FGR. It easy to dismiss performances (Wolves were ****; only a FL club) to suit a perception but a player who knows what he’s being asked to do and does it has real value to the squad.
 

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He has definitely got better on the fitness front but clearly Thomas has his doubts. The thing is who would you leave out to accommodate him? IMO FTT Vitaly Norgaard and Baptiste are ahead of him. I'd put him on a par now with Jensen which is an improvement.I hope he will get there because he's definitely a player but the octane level in the Prem is scary.

Were you at Villa Park? I was very pleasantly surprised at the shift Ghoddos put in.
 
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He has definitely got better on the fitness front but clearly Thomas has his doubts. The thing is who would you leave out to accommodate him? IMO FTT Vitaly Norgaard and Baptiste are ahead of him. I'd put him on a par now with Jensen which is an improvement.I hope he will get there because he's definitely a player but the octane level in the Prem is scary.

Were you at Villa Park? I was very pleasantly surprised at the shift Ghoddos put in.

The thing is, as Saman has said in the interview himself, he already started on the backfoot, fitness-wise. getting less game time to reach match fitness and such. I think he was great the last time he started and I think I'm not the only one who thought he was one of the best, if not the best player on the pitch until he got subbed out.

apart from that, I don't really think the premier league intensity is higher than the championship. just as Saman said, the technical ability is higher in the premier league.

Not getting a start is of course not helping him to become match fit either, he's got to get more minutes under his belt, and to be honest, I just see FTT running around and Baptiste doing the same bit a little more forward-thinking. Not saying this because he's my countryman but Ghoddos has shown he can backtrack and push forward, has an edge in choosing the correct passes to open up defensive lines and I hope TF lets him shoot at times instead of playing the careful play and pass left and right to find the perfect opportunity. But unless he's given minutes to get match fit I think people who don't rate him will always find something.

Tony needs such a player to support him and I think it's vital for him to score more and more goals.

On another note, Saman has been invited to the upcoming 2 WCQ matches against the UAE and South Korea. The first match against UAE on the 7th at 17:45GMT and October 12th at 14:30GMT

We're sitting on the top of the table with 6 points out of 2 matches, winning both matches would put us on 12 points and on track to be one of the first to qualify for the Qatar World Cup 2022
 
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The thing is, as Saman has said in the interview himself, he already started on the backfoot, fitness-wise. getting less game time to reach match fitness and such. I think he was great the last time he started and I think I'm not the only one who thought he was one of the best, if not the best player on the pitch until he got subbed out.

apart from that, I don't really think the premier league intensity is higher than the championship. just as Saman said, the technical ability is higher in the premier league.

Not getting a start is of course not helping him to become match fit either, he's got to get more minutes under his belt, and to be honest, I just see FTT running around and Baptiste doing the same bit a little more forward-thinking. Not saying this because he's my countryman but Ghoddos has shown he can backtrack and push forward, has an edge in choosing the correct passes to open up defensive lines and I hope TF lets him shoot at times instead of playing the careful play and pass left and right to find the perfect opportunity. But unless he's given minutes to get match fit I think people who don't rate him will always find something.

Tony needs such a player to support him and I think it's vital for him to score more and more goals.

On another note, Saman has been invited to the upcoming 2 WCQ matches against the UAE and South Korea. The first match against UAE on the 7th at 17:45GMT and October 12th at 14:30GMT

We're sitting on the top of the table with 6 points out of 2 matches, winning both matches would put us on 12 points and on track to be one of the first to qualify for the Qatar World Cup 2022
So who would you drop to play Samman, just interested to know?
 

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Absolutely.Thomas will look at the training data and know we have to be top drawer to contain West Ham. Is he going to start Ghoddos?
I don't think there is much to choose between Ghoddos and Baptiste, the latter may continue to improve, with more games, but we don't have any evidence to support that. Its not a matter of dropping players just rotating the squad which we will need to do to avoid burning players out or losing them to injury in the second half of the season.
 

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I don't think there is much to choose between Ghoddos and Baptiste, the latter may continue to improve, with more games, but we don't have any evidence to support that. Its not a matter of dropping players just rotating the squad which we will need to do to avoid burning players out or losing them to injury in the second half of the season.
Both good footballers. But IMO Baptiste gets the nod for greater physicality.Baptiste has been impressive in his game time and made a difference when subbed on vs Liverpool.
 

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I wouldn't rule out Ghoddos getting starts further down the line, Frank seems to have faith in him as evidenced (and vindicated) by his start at Villa. I think he brings something different with his intelligence with the ball and movement around the opponent's penalty area but we're probably not going to go with that against the likes of Liverpool or Man City. I would think as we get more used to the pace of the games at this level we'll try and keep the ball more and try to play the game more on our terms and for that we'll need to change things up a little in midfield. I don't think we'll survive the season constantly chasing the ball and going long to Toney. We saw it at times away at Wolves where we kept the ball much better (until the sending off).
 

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He has definitely got better on the fitness front but clearly Thomas has his doubts. The thing is who would you leave out to accommodate him? IMO FTT Vitaly Norgaard and Baptiste are ahead of him. I'd put him on a par now with Jensen which is an improvement.I hope he will get there because he's definitely a player but the octane level in the Prem is scary.

Were you at Villa Park? I was very pleasantly surprised at the shift Ghoddos put in.
With Baptiste our for a few weeks at least Ghoddos is now, most likely, going to get a run of games after Chelsea (when bar injury will be ftt, janelt and Norgaard in the midfield). We definitely look a better side with a more offensive midfielder as part of middle three beyond when playing one of top four or five teams. In addition Toney and Mbeumo get less isolated when someone breaking through from midfield. Now up to Samman to show what he can do and cement a place in the side. Suspect we will also now see MPH feature in the bench.
 

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With Baptiste our for a few weeks at least Ghoddos is now, most likely, going to get a run of games after Chelsea (when bar injury will be ftt, janelt and Norgaard in the midfield). We definitely look a better side with a more offensive midfielder as part of middle three beyond when playing one of top four or five teams. In addition Toney and Mbeumo get less isolated when someone breaking through from midfield. Now up to Samman to show what he can do and cement a place in the side. Suspect we will also now see MPH feature in the bench.
Jensen will always start. I think there is a bit of a situation going to happen with Saman and he may ask to leave
 

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Based on the PG interview

Not sure why he’d leave a Premier League team in London at present, and if he left that’d beg the obvious question - to where?
 
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Surely the quickly developing 3xinjury for WHU (Ajer then Janelt then Baptiste) shows we are going to need ALL our class players over this season. And as the AV game showed, there will be games where Saman can really show his worth. There is a hell of a player in there, and at least he will absolutely give his all when given the chance. As others have said its a long long season.….
Years ago I used to bemoan that Brentford players did not shoot enough at goal. Well that’s not the case anymore, and in Saman we have have someone who can hit the short-back-lift thunderbolt !
 
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Jensen will always start. I think there is a bit of a situation going to happen with Saman and he may ask to leave
We know Saman is feeling good being there, but of course, playing is so much more different. I don't think he will change the team but again it is the year running up to the world cup and a lot of players have moved to teams where they are guaranteed a starter place. I personally don't think he will leave because he's a fighter by nature... but I hope he gets a run of games, at least with the national team we might see him do what he does best, but even in the national team, the competition is very tough!
 

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Surely the quickly developing 3xinjury for WHU (Ajer then Janelt then Baptiste) shows we are going to need ALL our class players over this season. And as the AV game showed, there will be games where Saman can really show his worth. There is a hell of a player in there, and at least he will absolutely give his all when given the chance. As others have said its a long long season.….
Years ago I used to bemoan that Brentford players did not shoot enough at goal. Well that’s not the case anymore, and in Saman we have have someone who can hit the short-back-lift thunderbolt !
FWIW I thought SG had a decent game against Villa but that must be weighted by the fact that they had Ashley Young and that very raw kid Chukwuemeka deputising for Luiz and McGinn in midfield. (Young spent large parts of that game nursing his team mate through the 90 mins btw).
 
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Felt he had the best chance in the 2nd half - just needed a little dink over the Mendy !

That's about right, he started off not fully understanding where his position really is, but I think when he was on the field he managed to get a grip on where he should be. Some nervous passes in the first couple of minutes, which gradually got better and better, I personally think that volley that got blocked would have been a banger. Love to see him get more match fit and see what he does when he's actually comfortable. He's got 2 chunks of minutes under his belt in the PL now, and in my personal opinion, he did a solid job and should at least be given more minutes..

In the end, I think Mendy saved Chelsea tonight, otherwise, it might have been 4-1 or more for Brentford if we would just count all the shots that in any other normal circumstance would have been a goal.
 

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Decent cameo today, lucky with one rebound but helped our attacking impetus
 

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Thought he looked like he lacked a little confidence…under hit a couple passes…but on the plus side didn’t weaken us or look out of place…so I hope he gets a bit more time in the upcoming fixtures
 

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That's about right, he started off not fully understanding where his position really is, but I think when he was on the field he managed to get a grip on where he should be. Some nervous passes in the first couple of minutes, which gradually got better and better, I personally think that volley that got blocked would have been a banger. Love to see him get more match fit and see what he does when he's actually comfortable. He's got 2 chunks of minutes under his belt in the PL now, and in my personal opinion, he did a solid job and should at least be given more minutes..

In the end, I think Mendy saved Chelsea tonight, otherwise, it might have been 4-1 or more for Brentford if we would just count all the shots that in any other normal circumstance would have been a goal.
I hope he can stay focused and keep up his confidence as he wasn't used for Iran in the last few world cup qualifiers and he has tough competition for playing time at Brentford. Still a long way to go in this season and he will have chances to prove himself. He is a quality player, needs to be patient and not lose confidence. Maybe he will start against Stoke City?
 

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Never been a massive fan but I think he displayed today the sort of player he can be for us and the importance of his role in the squad.

It is fairly obvious by now that he is a player you can’t really pin to a fixed position in any system we usually play; and maybe he wouldn’t necessarily be first choice anywhere if everyone is fit.

But when called upon, wherever he is deployed on the pitch, it doesn’t seem to stop him contributing well to our performance. Sign of a good and intelligent footballer.

Example; he was pretty much brought on at RWB today but had a positive impact because he knew the right attacking passes and runs to make without ever exposing himself defensively.

As injuries and/or suspensions stack up throughout the season, you can’t take having a good and versatile player in the squad like this for granted.
 
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I hope he can stay focused and keep up his confidence as he wasn't used for Iran in the last few world cup qualifiers and he has tough competition for playing time at Brentford. Still a long way to go in this season and he will have chances to prove himself. He is a quality player, needs to be patient and not lose confidence. Maybe he will start against Stoke City?
I'm sure he'll stay focused and hungry, just needs more minutes to feel more comfortable. The season is long and especially the schedule towards the end of the year is quite tough. On the part of his absence in the games for Iran in the qualifiers, all I can say is that everyone is still in shock how he wasn't even used.

Problem is that in the past there would be a lot of influence from outsiders (outside the national team) on who to start, you could call them scammers or something like that. When Carlos Queiroz was the head coach all of that was gone, his strong presence against anyone meddling in the national team was feared, even by the government, unfortunately in the end they got rid of him. Now, this coach has done quite ok but is easily influenced by outsiders it seems, otherwise... why would you use someone who plays in the league of Emirates over someone who plays in the PL?
 

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That's about right, he started off not fully understanding where his position really is, but I think when he was on the field he managed to get a grip on where he should be. Some nervous passes in the first couple of minutes, which gradually got better and better, I personally think that volley that got blocked would have been a banger. Love to see him get more match fit and see what he does when he's actually comfortable. He's got 2 chunks of minutes under his belt in the PL now, and in my personal opinion, he did a solid job and should at least be given more minutes..

In the end, I think Mendy saved Chelsea tonight, otherwise, it might have been 4-1 or more for Brentford if we would just count all the shots that in any other normal circumstance would have been a goal.

Disagree the management team would have told him in no uncertain terms his role. He is also match fit with a good pre-season behind him. He snatched at his chance rather than dinking it. He should have scored. I am not criticising him but lets not be so biased over him.
 
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Disagree the management team would have told him in no uncertain terms his role. He is also match fit with a good pre-season behind him. He snatched at his chance rather than dinking it. He should have scored. I am not criticising him but lets not be so biased over him.
With match fit, I mean someone who has been playing match after match in which he has become comfortable and not miss-shoot and play up to his abilities. One can be all the hero in training but can be a flop in a match. All I can say is that Mendy was the man of the match tonight, if the match would have gone on for 10 more minutes he would still save Chelsea from losing... It was his first match after a while and you are surprised he didn't score while others have started almost all games and couldn't score either.
 

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Got to love this guy's attitude.. Given how much we paid for him and his history in the Champions League etc you might think he'd be kicking Thomas' door down wanting to start but he says here that “The coaches know the potential I've been showing so in every training session I'm just trying to improve and be better. When I'm taking my chance and playing much better, only then I will press Thomas that I want to play more."
 

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What Thomas wants and the Prem demands is the physicality to do the defensive stuff. There's no doubting his skills from the number 10 position. We can't carry anyone who can't do both at this level.That's Ghoddos's challenge.IMO it will also be a challenge for Jensen.
Good post mate.
 

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Think he’s going to get more chances now with the continued absence of Josh and now Shandon he can give us the ability to run at defenders from deeper positions and he does have a decent shot on him . He had a pretty decent cameo on Saturday let’s hope he can build on it , we’re going to need him.
 

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Think he’s going to get more chances now with the continued absence of Josh and now Shandon he can give us the ability to run at defenders from deeper positions and he does have a decent shot on him . He had a pretty decent cameo on Saturday let’s hope he can build on it , we’re going to need him.
I think we’ve not scored from outside the penalty area this season and Ghoddos’ willingness to welly it from distance adds another threat along with his general style of playing in behind the strikers.
 

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I think we’ve not scored from outside the penalty area this season and Ghoddos’ willingness to welly it from distance adds another threat along with his general style of playing in behind the strikers.
He really connected with one from way out near the end of the Chelsea game. Unfortunately got blocked but he can certainly strike a ball.
 
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He really connected with one from way out near the end of the Chelsea game. Unfortunately got blocked but he can certainly strike a ball.
Can't wait to see a screamer from him, I'm glad he's not giving up and sees the time not starting as an opportunity to grow not only as a footballer but also on a personal level. Patience is key and I'm sure the time will come.

I think after the next game there are 3 games with teams from the lower end of the table, should we win all 3 ( and possibly the one this coming week ) we should be in for the champions league spot I guess! how exciting will that bee 🐝
 

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Anyone you know who can produce magic in 20 minutes of which 5 minutes was wasted by Leicester and about 5 minutes in possession of Leicester? wonder where that magical player plays so we can get him on the team.

Not sure anyone is demanding magic but not giving the ball away every time he has possession is a reasonable expectation.
 
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