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We knew Dalsgaard was at the end of his contract. Poor planning, or maybe a gamble on Roeslev/Canos that hasn’t worked. Will Stevens be Rico’s understudy? Canos isn’t turning out to be the answer, not that it’s Sergi’s fault. He’s better up front.
Stevens is a RB, Thompson is a LB but clearly not preferred. It’s important to recruit another LB to challenge Rico for the position.
 

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He looked distraught when it happened, could tell he instantly knew this would rule him out of the Liverpool game. Poor guy, going back to Anfield clearly means so much to him.
If there's one area that I think the Club as a whole need to urgently look at it's playing players when they've already got an injury, like in Sergi's case a hamstring - which ultimately leads to them making said injury worse and then a lengthy stint out.

I know that we don't have an embarrassment of riches and depth in all positions etc, and players will never play without niggles but it seems we're now starting to see players patched up and coming back a bit too soon which can lead to longer injury lay offs. Maybe wrong thread etc, but just a thought.
 

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If Canos is out for any significant length of time, then that probably impacts on Forss's chances of going out on loan, as I can't see us signing a forward this January.
 

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I'm growing increasingly concerned about Canos' role on the team. It's clear that he's doing his absolute best playing wing back... and it's clear that his defending just isn't premier league quality. He's been able to make himself passable at the role through what feels like sheer effort, but the positional knowledge is lacking. The one game he played up front, he looked far better. How does he fit into the lineup when all are healthy? Roerslev is still getting better, but he can defend well at that wing back role. We may be better off long term with him there over Canos. If we continue playing 2 up top, then Canos is the 3rd or 4th forward behind Toney, Mbuemo, Wissa... and maybe behind Forss as well.

I really like Canos but it feels like the playstyle that we have right now and Sergi Canos is turning into a classic round hole, square peg problem.
 

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Sergi would still get games over a season. I do think he has played better this season than for quite a few seasons. I also think he is young enough to get even better. When it matters more than usual to him, he can let.emotikns affect his game. May not be a bad thing for him to miss Anfield.
 

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Sergi would still get games over a season. I do think he has played better this season than for quite a few seasons. I also think he is young enough to get even better. When it matters more than usual to him, he can let.emotikns affect his game. May not be a bad thing for him to miss Anfield.
Agree with this. His versatility is as much as blessing as it is a curse. TF expressed a preference for playing a 'winger' in one of the WB roles and he has done reasonably well in that position at this level for half a season, we saw glimpses at Leeds that he could be an asset in a forward role as part of a two or as a wide player in a 4-3-3 as well. At 24 years old and with 200 appearances for the Bees I think he still offers plenty.
 

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Sergi is the player to play behind Ivan and Bryan in a free roll in final third, he will pull players out of position going left to right,allowing space for Ivan and Bryan......IMO!
 

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To be fair to Sergi, he was fitting in very well at RWB when Ajer was at RCB. It’s only since Ajer’s injury that he has looked less impressive there.
 

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To be fair to Sergi, he was fitting in very well at RWB when Ajer was at RCB. It’s only since Ajer’s injury that he has looked less impressive there.
Good point they were building an excellent understanding. Ajer reads a game well and when Sergi got forward (as Frank wants him to do) he instinctively took up good positions to cover for him if the move broke down. Zanka did ok but when CG came in Sergi's form dipped as they didn't have the same complimentary skill set. Ajer isn't frightened to go forward either and played some decent one-two's with Canos, at our fluent best we were doing to other sides what they have done to us so many times and that's double up out wide and try to get behind the Wing-backs.
Against Saints the problem was not Canos's defensive work, not a lot came via Teller down their right but Ward-Prowse kept on linking up with him in a central left mid position and was able to dictate so much of the play especially in the first half. The other issue was Sergi offered little going forward other than a couple of overhit crosses. If our wing backs aren't getting forward we do become quite one dimensional and easy to defend against as we go long & back it comes.
 

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To be fair to Sergi, he was fitting in very well at RWB when Ajer was at RCB. It’s only since Ajer’s injury that he has looked less impressive there.

He was surely only played there as a stopgap until we found a RWB.

He did well, then Ok'ish but now the experiment has to stop if we want to get better.

Both full back positions need addressing.
 

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He was surely only played there as a stopgap until we found a RWB.

He did well, then Ok'ish but now the experiment has to stop if we want to get better.

Both full back positions need addressing.
As noted above think there is mitigating factors in Sergi being less productive in that position as the seasons progressed.

No disputing we need to strengthen in both full back berths regardless of if we persist with Wing backs or revert to a flat back four. Having said that Roerslev is progressing well at RWB and Stevens is promising for the future. The issue is we're always going to be bringing in potential talent not oven ready Premiership players, we can't go out and afford a Trippier and even the Forest lad would be a punt and untried at this level (especially the dosh they are asking for).
 

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He was surely only played there as a stopgap until we found a RWB.

He did well, then Ok'ish but now the experiment has to stop if we want to get better.

Both full back positions need addressing.
The fact we were on the brink of signing Vanderson prior to being gazumped by Monaco certainly confirms that.

I agree that we need a more accomplished RWB than we have, with Roerslov as an able deputy and a better deputy for Rico until such time Rico moves on.
 

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We knew Dalsgaard was at the end of his contract. Poor planning, or maybe a gamble on Roeslev/Canos that hasn’t worked. Will Stevens be Rico’s understudy? Canos isn’t turning out to be the answer, not that it’s Sergi’s fault. He’s better up front.
We had identified at least two RBs during the summer one of whom was Vanderson and the other only really became available (i.e. the selling club suddenly stopped prevaricating) on the day the transfer window shut. Pre Brexit we may have been able to get it over the line but nowadays as you know any international transfer brings added complications. In the end we decided that Sergi could do a job for us in that position until the next transfer window. Who knows who we might bring in this window…
 

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Available for Liverpool - not sure I'd start him personally, either Rico if fit or Thompson should be starting IMHO
 

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Available for Liverpool - not sure I'd start him personally, either Rico if fit or Thompson should be starting IMHO
I'm not sure it would be good to start him, but I do think it would be cynical not to play him. Got his start at Liverpool and I'm sure playing at Anfield means a lot to him. If he's fit to play, he's got to make it onto that pitch.
 

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I'm not sure it would be good to start him, but I do think it would be cynical not to play him. Got his start at Liverpool and I'm sure playing at Anfield means a lot to him. If he's fit to play, he's got to make it onto that pitch.
..........no thanks,in his games against previous employers Norwich he played like a headless chicken trying to prove points.So no not for me..................
 

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It’s about the team, not sentiment. If we’ve got a right and left full back, then they should start.
 

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..........no thanks,in his games against previous employers Norwich he played like a headless chicken trying to prove points.So no not for me..................
Didn't do badly in the 3-3 at home though.... :unsure:. Surprised he's fit to be fair.

Think he may well start on the bench.
 

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Didn't do badly in the 3-3 at home though.... :unsure:. Surprised he's fit to be fair.

Think he may well start on the bench.
Rico and Roerslev to start. Sergi to come on later in a forward position and score the winner. It's written in the stars..
 

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Frank has said Sergi will start unless someone cuts his leg off
Just watched the Press Conference and TF doesn't say that Sergi will start. He actually said unless someone cuts his (Sergi's) leg off he will be able to want to do everything to be ready for the game.
 

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I like sergi but his current form is pretty crap to be fair….he needs to toughen up and learn how to defend if we persist in playing him at the back….useful up front but it doesn’t happen often….another luxury player at the moment along with Jensen
 

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I like sergi but his current form is pretty crap to be fair….he needs to toughen up and learn how to defend if we persist in playing him at the back….useful up front but it doesn’t happen often….another luxury player at the moment along with Jensen
Luxury player? No way.
 

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He was surely only played there as a stopgap until we found a RWB.

He did well, then Ok'ish but now the experiment has to stop if we want to get better.

Both full back positions need addressing.
Exactly, especially right back.
 

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Definitely don’t play him at Anfield. There’s clearly an injury risk here - let’s look at the big picture
 

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Absolutely love him. The passion he shows on the pitch is so heartwarming and I think he is so skillful and intelligent. RWB, LWB, striker,winger - the guy can do it all! We are very lucky to have him and hopefully starts next game :)?
 

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Absolutely love him. The passion he shows on the pitch is so heartwarming and I think he is so skillful and intelligent. RWB, LWB, striker,winger - the guy can do it all! We are very lucky to have him and hopefully starts next game :)?

I presume a fishing rod is missing….
 

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Great work rate and defended diligently but not a left wing back and just isn't offering enough going forwards. He lacks pace and the ability to beat his man.

It may be unpopular to say but I think we need better than Sergi in the Premier League.
 

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The modern version of Kevin O’Connor.
Can play anywhere, but not very convincingly.
 

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The modern version of Kevin O’Connor.
Can play anywhere, but not very convincingly.
And both loves and is loved by the club and fans. There are worse things to be in this age of corporates, murderous billionaires and mercenary players.
 

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Great work rate and defended diligently but not a left wing back and just isn't offering enough going forwards. He lacks pace and the ability to beat his man.

It may be unpopular to say but I think we need better than Sergi in the Premier League.

In truth, not sure how many of our squad would make it into a top half Prem team. So to single out Sergi is grossly unfair.
 

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In truth, not sure how many of our squad would make it into a top half Prem team. So to single out Sergi is grossly unfair.
Agree with this. In truth he was performing well at RWB earlier in the season and combining excellently with Ajer, struggles more when asked to play the LWB role but still puts in a shift. Some have said he was poor last night which surprised me as the much vaunted Greenwood hardly got a kick. Like many of our players form has fluctuated this season, few have been consistently good at this level which is unsurprising as it's a massive step up for all of them....look no further than Ivan Toney as an example of that.
Canos's versatility is a curse as well as a blessing but he has on occasion shown he can be an able attacker this season and linked well with Mbeumo in that game. We definitely need to strengthen the Wing back positions if we persist with the 5-3-2 formation and hopefully that will allow Canos to be used in a more out and out attacking role. He's not a world beater in the PL but we're not a team of world beaters are we, he's young enough to continue developing and IMHO worth his place in the squad.
 

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Agree with this. In truth he was performing well at RWB earlier in the season and combining excellently with Ajer, struggles more when asked to play the LWB role but still puts in a shift. Some have said he was poor last night which surprised me as the much vaunted Greenwood hardly got a kick. Like many of our players form has fluctuated this season, few have been consistently good at this level which is unsurprising as it's a massive step up for all of them....look no further than Ivan Toney as an example of that.
Canos's versatility is a curse as well as a blessing but he has on occasion shown he can be an able attacker this season and linked well with Mbeumo in that game. We definitely need to strengthen the Wing back positions if we persist with the 5-3-2 formation and hopefully that will allow Canos to be used in a more out and out attacking role. He's not a world beater in the PL but we're not a team of world beaters are we, he's young enough to continue developing and IMHO worth his place in the squad.
Like most of our players Sergi has a range of performances between 4 and 9 out of 10. We need with him and the team to trust in just going with it repeatedly so that over the season they average out at the 6-7 out of 10 that’ll suffice to keep us up. There’ll be in that some games where everyone has a 4-5 and we lose (eg Southampton), others where just a couple get 8s and we get a win (eg Watford, Villa), ones where everyone gets a 7+ bar one small error for a loss (eg Chelsea) or a great win (eg Wolves).

The difference between us and most established teams and players in the PL is the range and variability of performances. Averaging 6-7 with wide variability puts a team in the bottom half/third. Averaging 6-7 but with consistent 6s and 7s puts you challenging for top six (West Ham last season, maybe Brighton, Wolves this). You get to that consistency through repetition, practice and experience. The revelation this season has been that Sergi and others already have the ability to get 8s and 9s in some games whereas the risk for small promoted clubs is the ceiling of ability for individual players other than very rare days when everything just goes right (eg Field v Fulham) is only a 6- that’s looking like Norwich’s problem so they need to be impeccably coached and organised.
 

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In truth, not sure how many of our squad would make it into a top half Prem team. So to single out Sergi is grossly unfair.

This is the Sergi Canos thread, I don't follow your logic. Why is it so unfair to talk about areas of weakness? Indeed comparing us to the top half highlights our potential to improve in all areas.

I haven't said anything about the rest of our squad getting into top half teams but I'd agree with you. Perhaps Rico, Ajer, Norgaard and Raya would be sought after by top 10 teams.
 

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It is the Canos thread. I guess when he has had a good game (imo), it would be good to see more positive comments for at least the first 24 hours or so.
 

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Canos has played once this year in his correct position at Leeds and tore them a new one. We miss him up the top of pitch
It does feel like right now he is a victim of a 'round hole square peg' situation. I think that he would be best used as an 'impact sub' up top in a 3 forward situation. His effort is always off the charts and having him sprint around the pitch and run already tired defenders into the ground for 25-30 minutes a match, instead of having to play defense out wide... I think his effectiveness would go off the charts.
 
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