Sergi Canos - signs to June 2023 (+1yr option) (1 Viewer)

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Not good enough to be a starter - lots of enthusiasm but Said must start assuming he is still with us for Coventry
Agree, If Said's gone than Fosu please.
 

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Give the lad a chance. He is battling back from a potentially career limiting injury. His assist for our second goal today was among the highlights of a poor team performance. Far too early to write him off yet. He is an important part of our squad.
 

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Give the lad a chance. He is battling back from a potentially career limiting injury. His assist for our second goal today was among the highlights of a poor team performance. Far too early to write him off yet. He is an important part of our squad.
Doesnt happen on here im afraid BB............. Especially after a loss.
 

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I think we all agree we love Canos. He is a top bloke, gives 100% and loves the club and we love him.

but....

he isn’t good enough for a promotion chasing Brentford side. He was good enough when we were mid table, enjoying every season. But if we are serious about promotion - he needs to be a squad player at best.

You can say he’s just come back from injury etc but the first 2/3 years it was the same. Hot and cold.

great cross field pass today

but for their 1st goal he played the ball away out of defence, shimmied past someone (the good) then instead of playing it wide, played a central pass to Toney who it never reached and 15 seconds later it was 2-1. (The bad)

like I say I love the guy and want him to succeed. But to me, he never will be the player we need now.
Don't disagree with the majority of that. It's acceptable to be objective with your criticism and I think Sergi has not yet proven he is good enough to start every week in our side, if we are serious promotion contenders. What I don't like is the name calling on ****ter that you see which is personal and abusive.

I suspect that when Ghoddos is fit and fully acclimatised, he will start on the left more often than not, assuming Said does not stay. We also need to get Mbeumo back to his old self too, because quite a lot of your observations about Sergi yesterday could also be levelled at Brian, again giving the ball away cheaply which led to a goal, and also not being very effective at the moment when in possession.
 

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The same has been said about him after a win too. I think we all know deep down he's not good enough.
I think he is. Was the in form player before his injury and there are others underperforming to a lower level then SC.
 

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The same has been said about him after a win too. I think we all know deep down he's not good enough.
I think with Sergi he has the raw talent, no doubt. What I question is whether he has the right footballing brain, and one area for me which has always been a concern is his fitness. Both before injury and now, I just don't see a player who has 90 minutes in him, he seems fatigued after 65 to 70 minutes, which is a major problem in the modern game.
 

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I think with Sergi he has the raw talent, no doubt. What I question is whether he has the right footballing brain, and one area for me which has always been a concern is his fitness. Both before injury and now, I just don't see a player who has 90 minutes in him, he seems fatigued after 65 to 70 minutes, which is a major problem in the modern game.
I think I can get on board with that, but would rather he played 30 that 60 minutes. He's always been a good sub to bring on when the defence is tired, but I don't hold out hope anymore when I see his name in the starting 11. I know it's harsh because of the nature of the bloke, but if we're relying on the level of performance he brings when he starts the game for us, then we're back to being a top 10 team again, not top 2 (he's not the only one, this is just his thread!)
 

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I think he is. Was the in form player before his injury and there are others underperforming to a lower level then SC.
I think you're missing point, the thread is about Canos, not comparing him to others who you suggest are worse ?
 

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I think I can get on board with that, but would rather he played 30 that 60 minutes. He's always been a good sub to bring on when the defence is tired, but I don't hold out hope anymore when I see his name in the starting 11. I know it's harsh because of the nature of the bloke, but if we're relying on the level of performance he brings when he starts the game for us, then we're back to being a top 10 team again, not top 2 (he's not the only one, this is just his thread!)
Don't disagree, I think he's more effective off the bench as an impact sub when we're chasing or seeing out a game. He definitely needs to work on his fitness, as unless he has 90 minutes in his tank, he's always going to struggle and not be able to play at his maximum potential.
 

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I think he is. Was the in form player before his injury and there are others underperforming to a lower level then SC.
I agree. It is far too early to right SC off as a starter in a promotion-challenging team!
 

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To be fair to Sergi he's done ok since he returned. He's done some v good stuff like that ball that led to the 2nd goal. We've got to remember that he's been out for nearly a year with a serious injury, he's still not fully match fit. He, along with a lot of others was struggling in the second half. The trouble is, his likely replacement, Ghoddos looks WELL off the pace at the moment and god knows what's happening with Said. Sergi's got plenty of room for improvement but there've been signs so far this season that it's sinking in. I think we need to get behind him and support him. He's still only 23 so not at his peak yet.. V happy to have him in the squad..
 

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I think you're missing point, the thread is about Canos, not comparing him to others who you suggest are worse ?
So im still talking about him then arent i............................

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Just being objective (and I think the vast majority of comments have been), I really don't think he was singled out yesterday.

Sure, there was some objective criticism on the match thread and this one about his end product. But on each of the Marcondes, Jensen, Dalsgaard & Pontus threads there was also criticism of those individuals. The only one who didn't come in for that much was Bryan. Otherwise, I think any criticism was fairly apportioned.
 

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Long and detailed email from Bees Tactical on Sergi which is worth a read. 0.66xG so far this season.
 

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Long and detailed email from Bees Tactical on Sergi which is worth a read. 0.66xG so far this season.
Really interesting piece putting Sergi’s work, successes and errors minute by minute in the context of what everyone else and the opposition were doing. I imagine the club does this player by player and so “sees” a lot more content in games than we do more impressionistically watching at full speed.

 

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My impression of the Sergi-Thompson positioning in the first half was that they were both hugging the touchline, making it hard for Thompson to pass to Sergi. Far too easy to defend against. However we were 2-0 up, I wonder what instructions were given at HT regarding Sergi, seeing as he was told to get further forwards by 15 yds moments before the break.
Sergi had replied he was marking Ledson
When watching on tv it is very difficult to judge what happened to them in the second half
 
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Really interesting piece putting Sergi’s work, successes and errors minute by minute in the context of what everyone else and the opposition were doing. I imagine the club does this player by player and so “sees” a lot more content in games than we do more impressionistically watching at full speed.

That was really interesting, certainly highlights that the defeat was generally one of our own making through poor decisions and execution throughout the side.

Interesting that Marcondes has an xG of just under 1 per game. I feel if he could convert more of those chances then that would really change the conversation around him.
 

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Read a lot of the posts on here about Sergi Canos and his fitness, and not saying i agree with them. But if the fans can see it, what about the management and fitness coaches. Surely Sergi is not weak enough that this cannot be improved upon,as for the not good enough, then are you lot telling me he is too old to improve. I rate Sergi, but the coaches down at the club need to make him the finished product.
 

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Read a lot of the posts on here about Sergi Canos and his fitness, and not saying i agree with them. But if the fans can see it, what about the management and fitness coaches. Surely Sergi is not weak enough that this cannot be improved upon,as for the not good enough, then are you lot telling me he is too old to improve. I rate Sergi, but the coaches down at the club need to make him the finished product.
Sure they're aware of that but he has only just come back from a significant injury. He needs games, the fitness will come..
 

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Sure they're aware of that but he has only just come back from a significant injury. He needs games, the fitness will come..
Have you pointed this out to the countless posters on here?
 

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Canos has shown no small courage and tenacity, to come back from injury and he has already done some good stuff in games and scored a goal; it probably is too much for him, playing for a full match, as yet.
He is a genuine and committed club player, deserves a go and he will get a fair run.
 

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Canos has shown no small courage and tenacity, to come back from injury and he has already done some good stuff in games and scored a goal; it probably is too much for him, playing for a full match, as yet.
He is a genuine and committed club player, deserves a go and he will get a fair run.
I agree with you mate, i also think he is good enough, and imo he has been singled out. Lets be honest there were only two or three players that were up to it. We were taken by surprise, Preston went for us, as a few teams did in the latter part of last season. I sincerely hope that it was only a blip. We have been spoilt these last ten years, Thomas and the coaches now need to earn their corn and crank it up again. The difference for me was that when we played with pace and accuracy we were almost unplayable, we have now become too pedestrian and predictable and easy to pick off, that’s my take on it.
 

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I agree with you mate, i also think he is good enough, and imo he has been singled out. Lets be honest there were only two or three players that were up to it. We were taken by surprise, Preston went for us, as a few teams did in the latter part of last season. I sincerely hope that it was only a blip. We have been spoilt these last ten years, Thomas and the coaches now need to earn their corn and crank it up again. The difference for me was that when we played with pace and accuracy we were almost unplayable, we have now become too pedestrian and predictable and easy to pick off, that’s my take on it.
That is a very good observation; the tactic of playing at 101mph, last season, has vaporised.
I wonder if that is because that style is unsustainable, too draining on the players, over a long season and factored in the tail- off in form, in the last few games.
I do think that professional footballers are being pressured into over- training, these days, which affects their recovery between matches; this could explain, to some extent, the tiredness of some of the squad in recent matches.
 

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That is a very good observation; the tactic of playing at 101mph, last season, has vaporised.
I wonder if that is because that style is unsustainable, too draining on the players, over a long season and factored in the tail- off in form, in the last few games.
I do think that professional footballers are being pressured into over- training, these days, which affects their recovery between matches; this could explain, to some extent, the tiredness of some of the squad in recent matches.
Leeds have played the high tempo under Belisa if that is how its spelt, and they are on fire. I watched them at GP last season, and their fitness was something that was talked about in the new rd where i sit. They played us off the park , and i thought we were fit .
 

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Leeds have played the high tempo under Belisa if that is how its spelt, and they are on fire. I watched them at GP last season, and their fitness was something that was talked about in the new rd where i sit. They played us off the park , and i thought we were fit .
True but the younger players couldn't hack it and they had to wrap Hernandez in cotton wool to get half match bursts. So it might be something that with our very young squad, many of whom were needing to acclimatise to the league etc, would have burned them out.
 

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Really want t see him get back into form. A bad injury last season. It's his decision making that seems the big flaw to me. Both him and Bryan haven't got near their best form yet. Come on chaps, you are brilliant, let's see the class you are.
 

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I think we've got the Sergi of old – Energiser bunny, good attacking moments, good defending moments, some incredibly poor decision-making. Maybe a continuous run of games will mean more good moments but there's a lot of work to do on the decision-making.
 
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We've never got to the bottom of why he is out on his feet after 75 minutes either.
 

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I think we've got the Sergi of old – Energiser bunny, good attacking moments, good defending moments, some incredibly poor decision-making. Maybe a continuous run of games will mean more good moments but there's a lot of work to do on the decision-making.
I don't know how much work can realistically be done with that. I remember when Theo Walcott went to Arsenal - was brilliant at running at full pelt and doing things instinctively. When he had time to think to either put a killer pass in or place a shot, he often stuffed it up. He never got better at this. I wonder if it will be the same with Sergi. He's never been a starter in my book, but is perfect to run at a tiring defence with 20 to go.
 

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I think we've got the Sergi of old – Energiser bunny, good attacking moments, good defending moments, some incredibly poor decision-making. Maybe a continuous run of games will mean more good moments but there's a lot of work to do on the decision-making.
That's about right. Strangely produced his best stuff at wing back, for me, a position in which i thought he would be a nightmare. Still love him.
 

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Started awfully and then grew into it but never really looked like beating his man or picking out the kind of ball Marcondes did. Looked much more with it on the occasions he moved inside and could pick out passes.. Worked hard though. Was interesting that Ghoddos came on centrally rather than replacing him..
 

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I actually thought he had a decent game today..... but what do I know ?
So did I. Some nice passes, linked up well with Rico and offers us defensive protection when Rico flies down his outside, and is prepared to come inside to bolster midfield when needed. Playing on the left he isn’t going to beat the defender on his outside that much but that’s where Rico comes in.

Would imagine for midweek game he will be swapped with Fosu as not sure he is up to three games a week at moment and was telling he stayed on for full 90 and Da Silva was withdrawn for Ghoddos, as we definitely want Da Silva to start in midweek.
 

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I see him very much as a squad player, not a starter. Think he is great for the team to be around, and he has a great attitude, but we need better imo.
 

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Average game.. but I think that Fosu is a better option against stronger opposition
 

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I don't know how much work can realistically be done with that. I remember when Theo Walcott went to Arsenal - was brilliant at running at full pelt and doing things instinctively. When he had time to think to either put a killer pass in or place a shot, he often stuffed it up. He never got better at this. I wonder if it will be the same with Sergi. He's never been a starter in my book, but is perfect to run at a tiring defence with 20 to go.
Walcott is someone who could have possiblg been an all time great. But 340 odd PL appearances and 75 goals,plus 48 England caps and 8 goals is still pretty impressive. If Sergi has a similarly disappointing career I won’t mind.
 

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Needs some space and there wasn't much today. IMO he's always better on the right than the left and being asked to fly down the right and just provide crosses to Toney could be productive but Bryan doesn't seem to be able to play anywhere else. I think figuring Bryan out is the bigger question than Sergi at the moment.
 

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Needs some space and there wasn't much today. IMO he's always better on the right than the left and being asked to fly down the right and just provide crosses to Toney could be productive but Bryan doesn't seem to be able to play anywhere else. I think figuring Bryan out is the bigger question than Sergi at the moment.
I always think Sergi's best work comes from running with the ball from deep in his own half. Very difficult to stop when he's built up a head of steam.
 

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Average game.. but I think that Fosu is a better option against stronger opposition
I think he and Fosu are very similar. Lots of potential but end product often lacking.. Suspect Fosu will start in midweek as can't see sergi playing 2 90s in a row yet..
 

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