Sergi Canos - signs to June 2023 (+1yr option)

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I would prefer him on the right if he comes on. Why not switch wings with Bryan late on and stretch the play rather than both turning inside to get the ball on their stronger foot.
 

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He's young enough to turn it around but unfortunately it seems maybe he was at his peak when we first got him. I know he's returning from a lengthy injury but he just hasn't developed.
His awareness is appalling on the pitch and overall we now have better quality players than when he first arrived...
To be honest with a fully fit squad (including Halil on loan) he wouldn't make the bench imo
Well he would but only because TF clearly rates him so highly. I don’t know any Brentford fans that would have him in the matchday squad currently though.
 

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If TF thinks he should be anywhere near our squad, questions need to be asked. Time to move him on, sorry nowhere near good enough for this level. Please start Fosu and Ghoddas on Saturday.
 

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Time to move him on. Nowhere near good enough.

Sloppy going forward. Bad decision making. Crap defensively.
Sadly sums up my feelings. I'm gutted for him as he's such a likeable lad but he's a liability right now whatever way he's running and shouldn't be anywhere near the pitch.
 

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I would prefer him on the right if he comes on. Why not switch wings with Bryan late on and stretch the play rather than both turning inside to get the ball on their stronger foot.
Tend to agree. I know TF likes his wide men cutting in. But why not keep some natural width and stretch the play.
 

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The abuse Canos is getting on social media is honestly getting out of hand now and some posts are sickening.

Still remember when he re-signed for us and the delight by all. His injury last year and being out of the game for so long has really set him back. We have evolved since and probably left him behind. I right now can’t see where Canos fits into our play and a tough decision for TF in what to do with him.
 

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The abuse Canos is getting on social media is honestly getting out of hand now and some posts are sickening.

Still remember when he re-signed for us and the delight by all. His injury last year and being out of the game for so long has really set him back. We have evolved since and probably left him behind. I right now can’t see where Canos fits into our play and a tough decision for TF in what to do with him.
The joy when he re-signed was because he'd gained a reputation with us on loan as a gamechanger and matchwinner. No sign of that form since he re-signed. We haven't evolved that much. He's lost confidence and got worse.
 
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Take him out of the firing line and give him some time in the Bs. There is still a player there but low on confidence and trying too hard. Let’s not write him off completely yet..
 

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The joy when he re-signed was because he'd gained a reputation with us on loan as a gamechanger and matchwinner. No sign of that form since he re-signed. We haven't evolved that much. He's lost confidence and got worse.
I thought before he got injured last season he was one of our stand out performers, his looked like he’d found a new level of maturity playing RWB...unfortunately it appears that was short lived. I’m not overly confident he has the ability to improve his game enough to be what we need unfortunately , once he was an excellent impact sub now he is a bit of a liability...

I hope he proves me wrong...
 

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The joy when he re-signed was because he'd gained a reputation with us on loan as a gamechanger and matchwinner. No sign of that form since he re-signed. We haven't evolved that much. He's lost confidence and got worse.
I thought he played brilliantly with Jota on the other wing when he resigned in 2017. He was decent the next couple of seasons but shifted around a lot. He started last season well but has been largely poor barring effort since returning from injury.

Fosu has in flashes played promisingly but I don’t buy the idea that TF is preferring Canos for sentimental reasons over him. I recall several Oxford fans seeing Fosu as a bit of a makeweight in the deal bringing Baptiste to us as he blew hot and cold for them whereas Baptiste was the one they thought could go all the way.
 

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He was hit and miss when he first joined on loan and struggled with fitness. When he joined on a permanent we all waited for the good stuff to become more consistent but it hasn't. When you have players like JDS, Jenson, Rico, Norgaard, Bryan M, Toney and players before them like Said and Ollie who consistently make the right decisions and deliver the killer ball, clever pass, show a trick to get us out of trouble in our own half or clinically finish half chances you can see why it is so difficult to fit in you can only be relied to do it 20-30% of the time. The standards are too high here now.

We all love him and want to see the Reading goal again and again, SB, JDS, BM score worldies and then do it again 2 weeks later, with Sergi we are hoping he might pull something out of the hat rather than expecting it to happen like we do with the others.

Halil and Forss both look a menace when they come on and always contribute something or force the defence back, sadly too many times Sergi has come on and we have looked weaker. I am sure the injury hasn't helped but we don't see that sudden moment of brilliance once every few games and Forss, Halil (on loan) and Fosu must feel so hard done by.
 

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He was hit and miss when he first joined on loan and struggled with fitness. When he joined on a permanent we all waited for the good stuff to become more consistent but it hasn't. When you have players like JDS, Jenson, Rico, Norgaard, Bryan M, Toney and players before them like Said and Ollie who consistently make the right decisions and deliver the killer ball, clever pass, show a trick to get us out of trouble in our own half or clinically finish half chances you can see why it is so difficult to fit if you can only be relied to do it 20-30% of the time. The standards are too high here now.

We all love him and want to see the Reading goal again and again, SB, JDS, BM score worldies and then do it again 2 weeks later, with Sergi we are hoping he might pull something out of the hat rather than expecting like we do with theothers.

Halil and Forss both look a menace when they come on and always contribute something or force the defence back, sadly too many times Sergi has come on and we have looked weaker. I am sure the injury hasn't helped but we don't see that sudden moment of brilliance once every few games and Forss, Halil (on loan) and Fosu must feel so hard done by.
Very well put.
 

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I thought he played brilliantly with Jota on the other wing when he resigned in 2017. He was decent the next couple of seasons but shifted around a lot. He started last season well but has been largely poor barring effort since returning from injury.

Fosu has in flashes played promisingly but I don’t buy the idea that TF is preferring Canos for sentimental reasons over him. I recall several Oxford fans seeing Fosu as a bit of a makeweight in the deal bringing Baptiste to us as he blew hot and cold for them whereas Baptiste was the one they thought could go all the way.
I could understand Fosu being a makeweight if we were exchanging him but don't see how it works if they both arrive together. surely they just up Baptiste by another 500k or so. If we didn't think he was good enough I doubt we would have been convinced just to take him anyway.
 

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I could understand Fosu being a makeweight if we were exchanging him but don't see how it works if they both arrive together. surely they just up Baptiste by another 500k or so. If we didn't think he was good enough I doubt we would have been convinced just to take him anyway.
A bit like when we offloaded Robert Quinn to them along with Andy Scott? Handy back up for Said but someone we might not have been otherwise particularly in the market for.
 

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I would prefer him on the right if he comes on. Why not switch wings with Bryan late on and stretch the play rather than both turning inside to get the ball on their stronger foot.
Completely agree, he is more comfortable on the right and can stretch the play when coming on as a sub, if we are replacing left sided player (ie Ghoddos) should be Fosu who gets the nod.
 

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He can contribute from the right - I can think of at least three assists for Watkins at the start of the last season before he injured from that position.

But he’s not an inverted winger and can’t play that role from the left at all. It’s a complete waste of time putting him there.
 

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Take him out of the firing line and give him some time in the Bs. There is still a player there but low on confidence and trying too hard. Let’s not write him off completely yet..
Understand the theory but not sure demoting Sergi to the B team even temporarily would help his already rock bottom confidence. But agree he needs to come out of the firing line. Hope he comes good.
 

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The joy when he re-signed was because he'd gained a reputation with us on loan as a gamechanger and matchwinner. No sign of that form since he re-signed. We haven't evolved that much. He's lost confidence and got worse.
Ummmm yes there was, he was our best player before he got injured. BM only burst onto the scene because of Canos injury.
 

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He can contribute from the right - I can think of at least three assists for Watkins at the start of the last season before he injured from that position.

But he’s not an inverted winger and can’t play that role from the left at all. It’s a complete waste of time putting him there.
Agree. FFS the lad is 23 had a career threatening injury and we need all the players can get atm.
 

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He was poor last night he came on, putting us under pressure needlessly a couple of times, and hasn't hit the heights of early last season but it's unfair to write him off, especially considering his injury.

He was good when he came on against Wednesday. Had Toney connected better he'd have had an assist and I thought he contributed to our game management late on in that game by drawing a couple of fouls and wasting some time.

Bad decisions last night but not a lost cause
 

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Had a poor game last night but wouldn't suggest we should cast him aside just on that performance and I don't think TF will. I do agree that he is better on the right.

I would expect him to play some part in Saturday's game.
 

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I'd have thought that his injury and recovery should have meant that he would be more cautious when playing by retaining the ball and keeping things simple. It's the decision-making that's not changed.
 

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Had a poor game last night but wouldn't suggest we should cast him aside just on that performance and I don't think TF will. I do agree that he is better on the right.

I would expect him to play some part in Saturday's game.
I think every fan (the ones with brains) appreciate the effort and commitment he shows and will always get behind him. I think the only reason some players get more stick then others is when they are clearly struggling for form and are consistently playing badly getting chance after chance when others are not being given a sniff.

Forss has scored a goal virtually every time he has ever played for us and that goes back two years to the season before he went out on loan. He scored on his league debut, in all the mickey mouse cups and pre season games before being put out on loan where he was as prolific as IT in the same division. I know he is back up to IT but he must be looking at the wingers and thinking, I could do that, put me in one of the friont three with 20 to go and I will get you a goal.
 

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Been one of his biggest fans and defended him with hope he is goinf to rediscover sergi of old but hope is fading fast
 

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Maybe we're all expecting too much at this stage of the season. Many of us are understandably disappointed, but to seek scapegoats from amongst our team and to right off players who haven't had a chance to play regularly and who have shown moments of brilliance is a little harsh, to say the least. I'm confident that T.F. is doing his best with our injury-hit squad. Be patient with some of the players. Have faith and be optimistic that it will all come right by the end of this season and that includes being able to get back to proper live support.
 

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much better......still done some poor stuff but at least it was a massive improvement from that debacle 25mins on tuesday.........lets not get carried away though eh as luton were poor and id like to see the same improvement against the better teams like swansea and mboro.......its a start but its only a start..........well done fella for today but please keep it going consistently ;)
 

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That was a much more ‘Sergi’ performance. Lots of energy and caused them problems throughout. Great stuff.
 

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Sergi did very well and looked like his old self yesterday.. second half he was on it and could have bagged a couple of assists with a little more luck.. well done young man
 

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Much better today, could see the confidence return as the game went on, delighted for him. That has to be his baseline performance now.
 

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Rather than denigrate and minimise why not just take pleasure in the fact that a player who has been really struggling recently put in an excellent performance today?
Excellent may be overstating it! He did ok, little more. Always tries hard and brings energy but slows the play down when running with it, passing not overly accurate, rarely weights a through ball correctly and looks like he’ll give away a foul every time he’s near an opposition player.

No need to overreact and want him out of the squad but, if we are going to achieve anything this year I think he’s a bit part player at most.

Nothing against the lad, think his attitude is great and always gives his all in the shirt just not quite good enough for a top six championship side.

I will conceded his ball over the top for the first goal today was excellent but that is a real rarity for him these days.
 

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