Sheffield Wednesday - More shenanigans

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Sheffield Wednesday owner Dejphon Chansiri is securing a debt against Hillsborough Stadium, according to documents seen by BBC Radio Sheffield.

A pending charge against the stadium - a legal way of securing a loan - was lodged with the Land Registry on 30 September.

It means the Owls' ground, which was bought by Chansiri for £60m to try to ensure the Championship club did not breach spending rules, is at risk of being sold if repayments are not kept.

The inclusion of the profits in Wednesday's 2017-18 accounts, despite the ground being sold a year later, led to the club being deducted 12 points for the 2020-21 season.

An independent disciplinary panel found that the club were guilty of an historic breach of the Championship's profitability and sustainability rules.

Wednesday have signalled their intention to appeal against the ruling.
 

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I can't fathom why the EFL haven't closed that loophole yet.

I've always liked Wednesday, no idea why, so feel sorry for their fans. There by the Grace of God etc
 

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I've always liked Wednesday, no idea why, so feel sorry for their fans. There by the Grace of God etc
Never have liked Sheffield Wednesday, probably because of some of their fans, although they aren't on a level with the other lot in Sheffield.
 

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Now in positive points.
 
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Points deduction halved on appeal!!!

So just -6 points deducted this season.

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So yet again a so called "big club" can drive a coach and horses through the rule book. Yet again the EFL prove that they are not a fit and proper organisation!!
 

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Yet again the EFL prove that they are not a fit and proper organisation!!
It was the EFL who imposed the original penalty and an independent appeal panel which reduced it:

"The independent panel has today rejected the club's appeal related to matters surrounding the stadium sale and on consideration of the sanction; they did not agree with the club's assertion that a points deduction should not have been imposed,"
an EFL statement stated.
"However, they did opt to reduce the sporting punishment from 12 points to six, which will be effective immediately."
Owls points deduction reduced to six

I really, really hope they go down now - and take that sly fecker Monk with them! (n)
 

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EFL preparing for Premier League 2 and wont want a sleeping giant relegated
 

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So yet again a so called "big club" can drive a coach and horses through the rule book. Yet again the EFL prove that they are not a fit and proper organisation!!
The points deduction should have taken effect last season and Wednesday should have been relegated. End of.

Not sure who sits on the appeals panel but an already p poor "punishment" has been even further diluted to almost nothing.

I think I must have missed the rule change by the EFL along the lines of "Make sure you comply with FFP but don't worry too much if you don't. No problem." and it's the good guy clubs like the Bees get sh@t on.

Dick Parry is probably too busy with Project Big Picture and the like
 

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The points deduction should have taken effect last season and Wednesday should have been relegated. End of.

Not sure who sits on the appeals panel but an already p poor "punishment" has been even further diluted to almost nothing.

I think I must have missed the rule change by the EFL along the lines of "Make sure you comply with FFP but don't worry too much if you don't. No problem." and it's the good guy clubs like the Bees get sh@t on.

Dick Parry is probably too busy with Project Big Picture and the like

and your points deduction will happen dependent on where you sit in the league. If you’re in no danger of being relegated, the points deduction will happen straight away but if you’re near the bottom it will happen at the start of next season. Unless you’re Wigan Athletic ... complete joke 🤬
 

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I bet they try and get the 6 point deduction backdated to last season now !!!
 

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Sadly this is going to continue to happen until there are clear guidelines on:

  1. What the deduction should be for each type of infringement
  2. When the deduction should be applied
 

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The points deduction should have taken effect last season and Wednesday should have been relegated. End of.
Agree.

Not sure who sits on the appeals panel but an already p poor "punishment" has been even further diluted to almost nothing.
Tbf to the EFL, it was an independent tribunal which reduced the penalty.

It had three members, a nominee each from the EFL and Sheff Wed, and a Chair from "Sport Resolutions", a specialist arbitrator in this field.

(SR also adjudicated QPR's case, btw)
 

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Agree.


Tbf to the EFL, it was an independent tribunal which reduced the penalty.

It had three members, a nominee each from the EFL and Sheff Wed, and a Chair from "Sport Resolutions", a specialist arbitrator in this field.

(SR also adjudicated QPR's case, btw)
But to be fair to the EFL Ealing (and every club playing by the rules) the EFL made the original decision (12 points NEXT season as we wouldn't want you to get relegated. We can stuff Wigan though) and took an eternity to do so. Either the rule is important - and the EFL should have some moral fibre - or it's not.

The EFL were weak or incompetent or both (at best). Incredibly the Independent Panel were even worse.
 

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Yet more shenanigans...

The Professional Footballers' Association has been called in to offer advice after Sheffield Wednesday failed to pay its players on time.

It is understood the Championship club's players only received a percentage of their November salaries. And they met with club officials on Wednesday to discuss the situation.

However, while it is understood the EFL is yet to be officially notified of the situation, it does has the power to impose a transfer embargo if they deem it appropriate, which would potentially prevent Pulis bringing in new players during next month's transfer window.

It is the second time this year there has been a problem with Wednesday players being paid their wages after some did not receive the full amount in June, although that issue was later resolved.
PFA called in over Sheff Weds pay issue
 

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I bet they're paying Pulis a small fortune though.
 

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I bet they're paying Pulis a small fortune though.
I bet it's very heavily incentivised i.e. keep them up.

For when Sheff Wed can't even pay their players, they're not going to give him a big, fat contract without a relegation break/renegotiation clause.

And his stock isn't high enough to turn that down, either.
 

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I bet it's very heavily incentivised i.e. keep them up.

For when Sheff Wed can't even pay their players, they're not going to give him a big, fat contract without a relegation break/renegotiation clause.

And his stock isn't high enough to turn that down, either.
Free dibs from the club shop would keep him happy, Mr Polyester.
 

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A bad career move by Darren Moore that one.
 

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My brother lives in Hillsborough and when I go visit him most of their fans I talk to are a good bunch. Always travel in good numbers so I hope they get this sorted. We would probably be having similar problems without one person and be getting excited about an away trip to Morcambe next season.
 

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My brother lives in Hillsborough and when I go visit him most of their fans I talk to are a good bunch. Always travel in good numbers so I hope they get this sorted. We would probably be having similar problems without one person and be getting excited about an away trip to Morcambe next season.
I remember seeing us lose at Morcambe in 2008, 3-1 I think. Ricky Shakes and Nathan Elder upfront. Hopefully wont be going back for a while although I do love a northern seaside away day.... we'll do Liverpool this year.
 

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Bit confused. Is this Sheff Wed in anyway related to the Sheff Wed that’s apparently a very big club indeed, has got ambition, and deserves to be in the Premiership more than tinpot Brentford?
 

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I remember seeing us lose at Morcambe in 2008, 3-1 I think. Ricky Shakes and Nathan Elder upfront. Hopefully wont be going back for a while although I do love a northern seaside away day.... we'll do Liverpool this year.
Now we are playing the big boys Morecambe away is exactly the kind of 3rd fa cup draw you want!
 

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That says that if the players don't get paid, they can basically walk away on a free transfer.

But according to this website, it's worse again!

"A report [in the Sun on Sunday] says the PFA want the players to claim for their missing wages, with such a claim lodged with the EFL through the PFA meaning the league would have an avenue for a further possible points deduction."

Oh and the SoS is saying that the unpaid wages/bonuses currently amount to £12m. 😲

This crisis must be getting close to existential.
 

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Can’t they just sell Hillsboro to themselves and then rent it back for a pound a year or whatever it is big clubs do nowadays to remain big and historic and far more deserving of being big than bees
 

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I’ve always thought of them in the same way I do Crystal Palace.
A bland, nothing of a club. Yes, lots of fans, but absolutely no personality or charisma.
Would anybody outside of Sheffield care if they went pop?
 

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I’ve always thought of them in the same way I do Crystal Palace.
A bland, nothing of a club. Yes, lots of fans, but absolutely no personality or charisma.
Would anybody outside of Sheffield care if they went pop?

I’m not sure that’s a fair reflection of either club.

I remember the noise at Hillsborough before the play-off first leg in 2005, it was electric.

Palace have had some great teams and characters down the years as well, particularly in the early 80s.
 

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I’m not sure that’s a fair reflection of either club.

I remember the noise at Hillsborough before the play-off first leg in 2005, it was electric.

Palace have had some great teams and characters down the years as well, particularly in the early 80s.

I liked Texan bars in the 80s, and look what happened to them.
 

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Can’t they just sell Hillsboro to themselves and then rent it back for a pound a year or whatever it is big clubs do nowadays to remain big and historic and far more deserving of being big than bees
I’m not sure they can do that again
 

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Ground share with Sheffield United?
 

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I’ve always thought of them in the same way I do Crystal Palace.
A bland, nothing of a club. Yes, lots of fans, but absolutely no personality or charisma.
Would anybody outside of Sheffield care if they went pop?
I would not like to see any club go pop as you put it,tough times and the fans must be concerned at the outcome. We were very close to this ourselves not to long ago.
 

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I would not like to see any club go pop as you put it,tough times and the fans must be concerned at the outcome. We were very close to this ourselves not to long ago.

Some deserve to go pop -mk dons, Ra .

Although, apart from that, I mostly agree with not wanting to see any club go bust, the way Wednesday have carried on for so long I don’t feel much sympathy for them. It is outrageous how they gone on, and for the most part, the fans didn’t complain as they felt it would take them further
 

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So who’s not getting paid? Apart from the players.
This makes me think of the Bolton case, well cases, where the slate was wiped clean but so many local business lost out on being paid what they’re owed, even if it was a few hundred quid or a few k that’s a lot to small businesses, and sours the clubs reputation locally.
 

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Tragic if a club with so much history and a genuinely decent set of fans goes pop. If so alarm bells should ring loud and shrill throughout the whole pyramid re the crisis that is enveloping us.
 
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