Should Wally be sacked / resign

Should Wally Be Sacked / Resign

  • YES

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Is there a silent majority out there who are happy with Downes as manager? Should Wally be sacked - a simple YES or NO vote. Please, everybody vote to give us a decent indication of what supporter feeling is, that maybe John Mac etc can look at as our representative on the board, and take action if necessary. Maybe Banana etc can filter out any known QPR supporters who try to vote?
 
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I say stick with Wally :bound:
 

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Sorry Wal, i'm sure you're a nice bloke and the rumours about your drinking habits are not true but your not a manager, end of
 
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No need for that sort of language :nono:

6 points from safety and 7 from the play-offs.....not TO bad in my book :)
 

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I can understand the sentimental not a nice time of year etc but IMHO he has to go. Before anyone comes back with the usual who else argument, that I do not know but surely our Board have a responsiblity to be making "discrete" enquiries.
 

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nocoat said:
No need for that sort of language :nono:

6 points from safety and 7 from the play-offs.....not TO bad in my book :)

:yes: I agree with nocoat. Wally was given the job with the target of staying in this division and reducing the wage bill, not building a play off team. He met that target last season and so far this season we are hovering in safety. This is a bad run but so were the first few games of the season and Wally turned that round into a good run. If we can stay just out of the relegation places then I will be happy.
 

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Stick with Wally, unless you can guaruntee [sp] that any replacement will do a better job under the same constraints.

And I'm not convinced you can.
 
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Simon C said:
:yes: I agree with nocoat. Wally was given the job with the target of staying in this division and reducing the wage bill, not building a play off team. He met that target last season and so far this season we are hovering in safety. This is a bad run but so were the first few games of the season and Wally turned that round into a good run. If we can stay just out of the relegation places then I will be happy.

Love your optimism guys, and respect your opinions (and am surprised by the early voting, it has to be said) however 2 small decent runs amidst a season and a half of diabolical football and results doesn't fill me with that same confidence you have. The record as per Luton Bee's signature spells out one thing I think.
 

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With the squad we have, we could be challenging for the playoffs!

If the gaffer had brought in a couple of good loanees in and was actually playign the correct team every game that is.
 

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Thomas Bathurst said:
Love your optimism guys, and respect your opinions (and am surprised by the early voting, it has to be said) however 2 small decent runs amidst a season and a half of diabolical football and results doesn't fill me with that same confidence you have. The record as per Luton Bee's signature spells out one thing I think.

The record according to Luton's signature says we are a bottom half of the table side but not necessarily a relegation side. I admit that I share your surprise at the voting so far but I suspect that may change soon.
 

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Thomas Bathurst said:
Love your optimism guys, and respect your opinions (and am surprised by the early voting, it has to be said) however 2 small decent runs amidst a season and a half of diabolical football and results doesn't fill me with that same confidence you have. The record as per Luton Bee's signature spells out one thing I think.


Wally won't resign. The only way he will get sacked will be if we can do so without having to pay him off. The only way this will happen will be if we can catch him engaging in misconduct that might be deemed to be a breach of conduct - e.g. being drunk at training, or slagging off Brentford FC in public. So get busy boys.

Personally I think he should never have been offered a new contract. I don't think his ability or his performance levels have dropped since then and so I find it surprising that as many people have turned on him as have. I imagine the club still stand by him and for the time being I do too.
 
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PAZ said:
I don't think his ability or his performance levels have dropped since then and so I find it surprising that as many people have turned on him as have.

I agree, Wally should never have been offered a new contract. Time will tell, but doing so could be one of the factors that contributes to the demise of the football club. It's looking ever so likely that he will take us down, and is doing nothing with his style of play to bring crowds through the gate.

I don't think it's that his ability level has dropped, just that people were prepared to give a rookie manager time ... Saturday was the straw that broke the camels back. The clock stopped ticking and time ran out. Excluding the first five games of last season, Wally has managed a side that has been in relegation form for 78 games. :(
 

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Thomas Bathurst said:
Excluding the first five games of last season, Wally has managed a side that has been in relegation form for 78 games. :(

Fact: this season it is 22 games - 27 points. If this ratio of points to games continues then we stay up. Given this - what is the objective basis to call for his sacking?

[I am excluding my feelings on his player selections, style of football and indeed where I think we will finish the season - which I do not believe are a basis to call for his dismissal during the mid season. It should be on results. End of season is a different debate.]
 

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-superbees2k3- said:
With the squad we have, we could be challenging for the playoffs!

If the gaffer had brought in a couple of good loanees in and was actually playign the correct team every game that is.

This is where I think a lot of people are kidding themsleves. This squad is nowhere near good enough to get us into the play-offs. We had a play-off side 2 seasons ago. Compare the positions player for player and tell me where we are stronger now than we were then. QPR have a wage bill of £2.1 million (and they still might not go up) and we have one of less than quarter of that. Forget about getting in the play offs and get behind the players a management to keep us in this division and give us some chance of survival in the future. No-one can GUARANTEE that changing managers will keep us away from the bottom of the table. If they could, then maybe the overwhelming majority would be in favour of a change.
 

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If we have been in relegation for for 78 games, how come we are still in the same division? :confused: And we are a mere 7 points from a play off position (despite my protestations that we are nowhere near good enough to make them)
 
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You are correct in stating that as things stand at the moment we are outside the relegation spots, and that after Boxing day (regardless of the result in fact) if the second half of the season is no worse than the first then we will more than likely stay up. What you also have to factor in though is that

1. We have acquired 4 point from the last 24 available (8 games)
2. We have scored 4 goals in that period, of which 1 has come from open play
3. Any confidence the players had, has now totally disappeared.
4. When this happened last season, Wally couldn't pull us around - I see no reason to believe he will do so this time
5. Had it not been for the opening 5 games of last season where we were very fortunate on occasions, and one might argue the methods of Steve Coppell were still being applied by the players, we would have been relegated.
6. We have had one "mini", freak of a run that pulled us out of the relegation spots - we have now reverted to type.

The writing is on the wall(y) I think. P.S. My worry is that if it is left until the end of the season, as a reaction to relegation, we'll never recover :(
 
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Should Wally be sacked? No.

The situation we are in could be better but it could also be a lot worse. Wallys' worst decision to date, IMHO, is the appointment of Thompson as number two. Never underestimate the power of a good, or indeed bad, second in command.
 
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Jimbee said:
If we have been in relegation for for 78 games, how come we are still in the same division?

Easy, because those 78 games have been spread over two seasons. If it hadn't have been for the first 5 games of last season we would have been relegated. We have averaged something like 1.15 points per game over the last 78 - over a season long 46 game period that will get you 52 points, touch and go as far as relegation is concerned.
 

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Thomas Bathurst said:
You are correct in stating that as things stand at the moment we are outside the relegation spots, and that after Boxing day (regardless of the result in fact) if the second half of the season is no worse than the first then we will more than likely stay up. What you also have to factor in though is that

1. We have acquired 4 point from the last 24 available (8 games)
2. We have scored 4 goals in that period, of which 1 has come from open play
3. Any confidence the players had, has now totally disappeared.
4. When this happened last season, Wally couldn't pull us around - I see no reason to believe he will do so this time
5. Had it not been for the opening 5 games of last season where we were very fortunate on occasions, and one might argue the methods of Steve Coppell were still being applied by the players, we would have been relegated.
6. We have had one "mini", freak of a run that pulled us out of the relegation spots - we have now reverted to type.

The writing is on the wall(y) I think. P.S. My worry is that if it is left until the end of the season, as a reaction to relegation, we'll never recover :(

I agree with every word. I honestly don't think he's got a clue.
 

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Voting split almost 50:50. I'll abstain. As I've said before if he keeps us up for two years he'll have done his job. Another interesting question might be if we stay up who would offer him a further contract?
 

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Thomas Bathurst said:
Easy, because those 78 games have been spread over two seasons. If it hadn't have been for the first 5 games of last season we would have been relegated. We have averaged something like 1.15 points per game over the last 78 - over a season long 46 game period that will get you 52 points, touch and go as far as relegation is concerned.

While I'm no great fan of Wally, you can't prove your case by taking out of the equation the results that don't support what you're saying: Wally was as responsible for the first 5 games as for the rest.
 
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Brain-dead Bee said:
Wally was as responsible for the first 5 games as for the rest.

Not necessarily true. It seems too much of a coincidence to me, that the longer Wally got into his reign as manager, the worse and more disorganised we have looked (with a couple of bizarre exceptions, I grant you). It is feasible that the team were to a certain extent continuing to play in a style similar to the previous season under Coppell initially. Also, there is no arguing that since those first 5 games the form has been atrocious.
 

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Thomas Bathurst said:
Not necessarily true. It seems too much of a coincidence to me, that the longer Wally got into his reign as manager, the worse and more disorganised we have looked (with a couple of bizarre exceptions, I grant you). It is feasible that the team were to a certain extent continuing to play in a style similar to the previous season under Coppell initially. Also, there is no arguing that since those first 5 games the form has been atrocious.

Which 5 games?
 

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Voting split almost 50:50. I'll abstain. As I've said before if he keeps us up for two years he'll have done his job. Another interesting question might be if we stay up who would offer him a further contract?

My guess is if he keeps us up it will be academic as he will be offered a better deal elsewhere.

Despite what a number of people on here may think he's pretty highly rated in the outside football world and that will be greatly enhanced if he can keep us up with our minimal resources.
 
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Stanley said:
Despite what a number of people on here may think he's pretty highly rated outside the football world

Who by? Publicans (allegedly), off license owners (allegedly)bookmakers (allegedly), greasy spoon cafe owners, and Ron Noades? :)
 

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Thomas Bathurst said:
The first 5 game Wally had in charge of the side.

I think Wally has to take the credit for those games. Coppell's team had completely disappeared minus Dobson and Smith and Wally had brought in Sonko, Roget, Fullarton and Vine who I remember all played there part in our good start last year.
 
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Simon C said:
I think Wally has to take the credit for those games. Coppell's team had completely disappeared minus Dobson and Smith and Wally had brought in Sonko, Roget, Fullarton and Vine who I remember all played there part in our good start last year.

Point taken, and fair enough.
 

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The thing to me is, that the performances do not look like that they are going to get any better. I just don't see where any goals are going to come from.

I am not sure that this true, but someone once stated that every club that Wally has been 1st team coach at got relegated while he was there. If thats right, the outlook is gloomy !.

Sorry Wally , my opinion is enough is enough. :wave:
 

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Stanley said:
Despite what a number of people on here may think he's pretty highly rated in the outside football world and that will be greatly enhanced if he can keep us up with our minimal resources.

rofl rofl rofl

The bloke is clueless. Sack him & take his cronies with him.
 

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Stanley said:
Despite what a number of people on here may think he's pretty highly rated in the outside football world and that will be greatly enhanced if he can keep us up with our minimal resources.

Oh please stop it you making me laugh out loud! Most people on here trying to defend Wally say he is cheap and all we can afford. If he was a) cheap, b) highly regarded and c) paid a pittance by BFC he wouldn't still be here now would he?
 

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I really don't mind what division we are playing in because if we are doing well in the 3rd the crowds and atmosphere will be the same. What I want is some decent football played. I feel we have the players to do that in most positions it's just that they are not playing in the right positions, and need motivating. That is down to only one person.
 

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Downes with these players in the 3rd division will be the same as Downes with these players in the 2nd. The only difference will be the trap-door at the bottom of the third.
 

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Luton, I noticed your Wally signature says "days pissed = most". Funny, I always think he looks spaced out. Certainly his management skills suggest this. lol
 

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Edmundo said:
I agree with every word that Jimbee said.

This is because Jimbee has, so far, been the only person from the "keep things the way they are" camp to come up with anything resembling a decent argument as to why essential changes may not necessarily improve things.

Unfortunately, the flaw in Jimbee's argument is as such:-

I could approach someone with a Lada and say "you could change your car, but it doesn't necessarily mean it wouldn't break down. So... er... keep your Lada." But why should that person keep his Lada?

The whole argument for keeping Wally is akin to staying indoors because of fear of being run over by a bus when going outside. It's fear of the unknown, fear of taking risk, fear of change. Don't fear it, we're in enough trouble as it is - be BOLD...

KICK WALLY OUT OF FOOTBALL.
 

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Sweepy said:
This is because Jimbee has, so far, been the only person from the "keep things the way they are" camp to come up with anything resembling a decent argument as to why essential changes may not necessarily improve things.
which is more than your efforts

Unfortunately, the flaw in Jimbee's argument is as such:-

I could approach someone with a Lada and say "you could change your car, but it doesn't necessarily mean it wouldn't break down. So... er... keep your Lada." But why should that person keep his Lada?

The whole argument for keeping Wally is akin to staying indoors because of fear of being run over by a bus when going outside. It's fear of the unknown, fear of taking risk, fear of change. Don't fear it, we're in enough trouble as it is - be BOLD...

KICK WALLY OUT OF FOOTBALL. [/B]
What do you want Sweepy? promotion? OR to get through this season with relegation?

Your argument is b***ocks - as long as we end up with a superior goal difference or more points than the 4th bottom team at the end of the season - I'm happy.

So let's stay indoors and avoid getting run over by the relegation bus.
 

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I think we've got the squad to survive. I don't think we've got the tactics to survive.

Training? :nono:
 

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Banana said:
which is more than your efforts


What do you want Sweepy? promotion? OR to get through this season with relegation?

Your argument is b***ocks - as long as we end up with a superior goal difference or more points than the 4th bottom team at the end of the season - I'm happy.

So let's stay indoors and avoid getting run over by the relegation bus.


or we can be very lonely on the terraces with dwindling crowds
after watching mr downes brand of exciting[and neck straining]
football!!!!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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Jimbee said:
No-one can GUARANTEE that changing managers will keep us away from the bottom of the table. If they could, then maybe the overwhelming majority would be in favour of a change.

Exactly!
Why is this so difficult to understand? And who would replace Wally even if he did go or was pushed? Would there be any money for a new manager to bring in faces he wanted?

Sky News reports that George Graham, Peter Reid & Ron Atkinson are fighting each other to take charge of a mediocre 2nd div side 6 points off the relegation places, with a wage cap and a £6million overdraft.
 
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