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going through the squad list on the official site, these are the players i cant see being good enough for a promotion push next year (i have no idea who is or isnt out of contract);

Craig Woodman - decent back up for a mid table team, if he's filth cheap then i'd keep him for that reason but i'd rather we got in, say dickson, with bidwell on a season long loan
Pim Balkestein - unless he can really show us something in the final games
Myles Weston - has had enough chances, i like him but cant see it ever happening constantly enough
Sam Wood - great guy, loves his job, but again other then a very cheap back up option not good enough for top half league one
Kirk Hudson - big Scott mistake although in fairness i've never seen him play to my knowledge

Osborne looks like he'll leave as well. i'm on the fence about saunders, certainly happy he has a one year contract with option rather then a 2 year contract, we need better and quicker players on the wing though, it'll be interesting to see how he gets on in the new role behind the front 2 this season. Diagouraga needs a good run of form otherwise i wouldnt be sad to see him go, no more then back up hopefully next season, same with bean although i'd keep bean of the two for his better defensive work.
 

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Not that many out of contract unfortunately. Only ones out of contract as far as I can see are Bean, Wood, Hudson and Osborne. I expect all 4 of those to leave.

Hopefully we can pay off or ship out a few others who aren't up to standard. Weston/Balkenstein springs to mind.
 

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Weston should stay. He's under contract and can be good on his day, just seems that the structure we play with the team at present (4-3-3 away or diamond at home) he doesn't really fit into. I expect him to stay though, at the very least as McGinn won't be here next season, so he'll be around until a replacement is brought in over the summer.

Our contracted players next year:

GKs
GK Richard Lee (vice-captain)
GK Simon Moore
GK Antoine Gounet

DFs
LB Craig Woodman
CB Marcel Eger
CB Leon Legge
RB Shaleum Logan
RB Kevin O'Connor (captain)

MF
LM Myles Weston
CM Jonathan Douglas
CM Toumani Diagouraga
AMF Sam Saunders
AMF Harry Forrester

FW
FW Clayton Donaldson

Uncontracted but confirmed offered a renewal:
FW Gary Alexander

Those likely to leave imo:
MF Marcus Bean
DF Pim Balkestein
FW Kirk Hudson
DF Karleigh Osborne
MF Sam Wood

Dev. Squad players who could make the cut:
CM Jake Reeves
CM Emmanuel Oyeleke
FW Antonio German

(My knowledge of some of the other players in the Development Squad is limited, so there may be one or two potentials missing)

Based on that I would suggest that we need a minimum of 1 or 2 strikers (3 if Gary leaves). Antonio German would help that element though if he impresses in the Dev squad further. We need a player who we could believe could be the answer to our goal-scoring targets who could get 15-20 goals.

Defenders we are looking light on LB's and CB's, keep Woodman and bring in a more attacking LB, similar to Bidwell, but hopefully on a permanent. Bring in 2 CB's, one permanent at least. A RB perhaps but not our first priority.

Midfield, we need another winger, one who can also double up in a useful role in an attacking part of a 4-3-3. We should keep Myles and Saunders, so only one for now (unless Myles leaves), but Forrester could also be used in those roles. We will definitely need at least one central mid-field player, who can do Bean's role but probably attack more and have a higher ability level overall. Oyeleke and Reeves could prove quite beneficial coming into the first team for next season however, if that doesn't happen at least 2 to be brought in.

Goalkeepers, obviously fairly happy there. Lee's good and Moore is a more than capable back up. Doesn't even need to be considered.

So
3x Defenders minimum.
2x Midfield minimum, if Reeves and Oyeleke make the step up. 3/4x minimum otherwise.
2x Strikers. (3 if Gary leaves.)

So 7 players I make out we need minimum to bring in over the summer. Whether SL loans or permanent.
 
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I reckon the following will be leaving this summer:

Osborne- Free transfer that will be snapped up by someone like Watford.

Wood- I think him going back out to Rotherham has sealed this deal sadly.

Bean- The seeming lack of a contract extension says to me that Rosler would rather part company with him.

Hudson- The invisible man since joining us, I personally don't reckon we will ever see him play for us again- probably off into non league.

Logan- Although he has been absolutely quality, I think his injury problems could mean he doesn't trigger the automatic extension in his deal. Should a team closer to Manchester come in for him I think we could lose out

Balkenstein- Unless he has a miraculous burst of form then I think he will end up loaned out next season before leaving on a free. Hopefully someone takes a chance on him and lines our pocket in the process if he doesn't kick on
 

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Logan isn't a guaranteed player for next season either. He's short of the number of games he needs to trigger a one year option. He may go back up north.
 

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Weston should stay. He's under contract and can be good on his day

When will that day next be.

Regrettably he will be staying as he is under contract and I doubt anyone will be stupid enough to take him off our hands.
 

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Logan isn't a guaranteed player for next season either. He's short of the number of games he needs to trigger a one year option. He may go back up north.

i'd be surprised if we didnt offer him the extension regardless of games played, could be a very big part of next seasons team.
 

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going through the squad list on the official site, these are the players i cant see being good enough for a promotion push next year (i have no idea who is or isnt out of contract);

Craig Woodman - decent back up for a mid table team, if he's filth cheap then i'd keep him for that reason but i'd rather we got in, say dickson, with bidwell on a season long loan
Pim Balkestein - unless he can really show us something in the final games
Myles Weston - has had enough chances, i like him but cant see it ever happening constantly enough
Sam Wood - great guy, loves his job, but again other then a very cheap back up option not good enough for top half league one
Kirk Hudson - big Scott mistake although in fairness i've never seen him play to my knowledge

Osborne looks like he'll leave as well. i'm on the fence about saunders, certainly happy he has a one year contract with option rather then a 2 year contract, we need better and quicker players on the wing though, it'll be interesting to see how he gets on in the new role behind the front 2 this season. Diagouraga needs a good run of form otherwise i wouldnt be sad to see him go, no more then back up hopefully next season, same with bean although i'd keep bean of the two for his better defensive work.

so looks like we are going to have the majority of this team nxt season then
 

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Logan isn't a guaranteed player for next season either. He's short of the number of games he needs to trigger a one year option. He may go back up north.

Good point actually, I think he definitely would have hit that target had it not been for injuries however. I think if injuries keep him out the club will offer him a contract extension anyway. He's Uwe's first choice right-back even when there are options.
 
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This where UR and MW need to earn their corn.

Identifying the CONTRACTED players that cannot help us progress and finding a way to move them on and ideally getting some reasonabke value for them.
 

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Logan isn't a guaranteed player for next season either. He's short of the number of games he needs to trigger a one year option. He may go back up north.

How many games does he need to play to trigger the clause in his deal?
 

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so looks like we are going to have the majority of this team nxt season then

i'd keep a few of them as back up, doesnt mean they would play each week :sorted:

i expect a vastily different eleven to start the first game of the season compared to the best eleven that arent loanees we could field at the moment.
 

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Release:

Bean
Hudson
Wood

Transfer List:

Woodman
Balkestein
Weston

Don't want to see Osborne leave but it seems inevitable. Undecided about Alexander, keep him on the terms offered by the club if he's not seen as a regular but if he throws a Charlie, let him go - he is replaceable.

Really hope we see some quality brought in over the summer to properly challenge next season. I remember abee saying Uwe will be judged on the 12\13 season. I remember it being said that the budget would remain the same this season as it was last season but I wonder if MB will be increasing it for next years 'big push'. Certainly hope so. We haven't spent a penny on transfer fees since summer 2010.. if we can shift some of our deadwood, hopefully we can afford some quality players this time.

Start by picking up Dean and Dickson on frees from Southampton.
 

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seems to me its gutting that someone like osbourne wants out,who i feel does well in our team.If as a club we cant convince him to stay not sure who will want to come in .Also feel we need to stop blooding other teams youngsters do we not have any of our own !!
 

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Release:

Bean
Hudson
Wood

Transfer List:

Woodman
Balkestein
Weston

Don't want to see Osborne leave but it seems inevitable. Undecided about Alexander, keep him on the terms offered by the club if he's not seen as a regular but if he throws a Charlie, let him go - he is replaceable.

Really hope we see some quality brought in over the summer to properly challenge next season. I remember abee saying Uwe will be judged on the 12\13 season. I remember it being said that the budget would remain the same this season as it was last season but I wonder if MB will be increasing it for next years 'big push'. Certainly hope so. We haven't spent a penny on transfer fees since summer 2010.. if we can shift some of our deadwood, hopefully we can afford some quality players this time.

Start by picking up Dean and Dickson on frees from Southampton.

Would like to keep Osborne, and only keep Alexander if he is 3rd or 4th choice.
 

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In an ideal world [ I realise there are contracts in place and contract offers have also been made], I would like to see the following pony express leave town. Woodman, Wood, Hudson, Pim, Weston,Bean,Osborne,Alexander. None IMO can play at a higher level or get us up.
 

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In an ideal world [ I realise there are contracts in place and contract offers have also been made], I would like to see the following pony express leave town. Woodman, Wood, Hudson, Pim, Weston,Bean,Osborne,Alexander. None IMO can play at a higher level or get us up.

Fully agree except Osborne who I believe has got it is him to play at Championship level, and is young enough to still improve further.
 

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Fully agree except Osborne who I believe has got it is him to play at Championship level, and is young enough to still improve further.


if we're talking about players who wouldn't be anywhere near good enough to play above league one, then you had better add O'Connor and Legge to the list...
 

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Bean, wood, hudson, Pim, Woodman, Weston, Gounet and Osborne will probably all leave either released, made available on a free or turn down a new contract.
 

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So who's going to be on this season's list.

Well we lost Davee early this season and abee + northamptonbee followed out the door in Jan.
I fear Rebus may be snapped up by a big club like Orient very soon.

I think Hull Bee will leave in a huff. Unless more posters write or reply to him
Wanderer Paul will flounce off.
Kingston Bee + magicbees will self combust unless we sign Pavlechenko or Drogba by June + replace Rosler with Mourinho.

VoiceoftheBraemar will be off on hols in early May + return looking resplendant in august. We should offer him a new contract asap.
Sort it Banana !
 

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Donaldson can go, unless we covert him to a winger. Not a forward, looks so sunday league in the oppositions box. Not good enough.
 

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Think there will be a significant number going out, would expect:
Karleigh, wood, pim, McGinn, Weston

Others that would not surprise me or cause much disquiet ;
Woodman, Dave, leon,

Would mean a significant number coming in but perhaps a change of this magnitude might also get rid of the malaise within the team of not performing when the chips are down
 

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Think there will be a significant number going out, would expect:
Karleigh, wood, pim, McGinn, Weston

Others that would not surprise me or cause much disquiet ;
Woodman, Dave, leon,

Would mean a significant number coming in but perhaps a change of this magnitude might also get rid of the malaise within the team of not performing when the chips are down

Throw in all the chips then? Not ideal but I think you are right Pipe. Not sure we have much option really.
 

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Think there will be a significant number going out, would expect:
Karleigh, wood, pim, McGinn, Weston

Others that would not surprise me or cause much disquiet ;
Woodman, Dave, leon,

Would mean a significant number coming in but perhaps a change of this magnitude might also get rid of the malaise within the team of not performing when the chips are down

Agree, but Leon? Really?!!!
 

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Agree, but Leon? Really?!!!

Yes would include him as one that if he left would not lose any sleep. I love his commitment but when considering the number of mistakes he makes, well if his name was Karleigh he would have been driven out of the club
 

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i think leon will be with us next season but he isnt good enough to regularly start for a promotion chasing side in this division, much as i like him.
 

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Courtesy of Invipai from earlier post. Have changed the leave list.

Our contracted players next year:

GKs
GK Simon Moore
GK Antoine Gounet

DFs
RB Shaleum Logan


MF
CM Jonathan Douglas
CM Toumani Diagouraga
AMF Sam Saunders
AMF Harry Forrester




Uncontracted but confirmed offered a renewal:
FW Gary Alexander.......... Gone

Those likely to leave imo:
FW Clayton Donaldson
LM Myles Weston
RB Kevin O'Connor (captain) Sorry
LB Craig Woodman
CB Marcel Eger
CB Leon Legge
GK Richard Lee (vice-captain)
MF Marcus Bean
DF Pim Balkestein............... Gone
FW Kirk Hudson................. Gone
DF Karleigh Osborne................Hope we can sort out something
MF Sam Wood...................Gone

Dev. Squad players who could make the cut:
CM Jake Reeves
CM Emmanuel Oyeleke
FW Antonio German
 

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Shaleum Logan only has a contract till June 2012. The one year option includes that he plays a number of games. He could quite easily walk away too.
 

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Contracted to 2012
Wood
Logan (+ 1 year option)
Bean
Osborne

Contracted to June 2013
Lee
Moore
O'Connor
Woodman
Eger (+ 1 year option to 2014)
Legge
Balkestein
Weston
Diagouraga
Douglas
Saunders (+ 1 year option to 2014)
Forrester
Reeves

Contracted to 2014
Donaldson

Dev Squad (June 2012?)
Gounet
German
Blake
Oyeleke (??)
Griffiths
Pierre
Bellamy
Norris
Kamau
Monakana
 

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huge task to clear the decks this summer :no:
 

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I wouldnt mind clearing every single one of them out and starting again.

Sick of this mediocre rubbish.
 

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I wouldn't mind the keepers and KO staying, all the rest can go if they want.
 

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Contracted to 2012
Wood
Logan (+ 1 year option)
Bean
Osborne

Contracted to June 2013
Lee
Moore
O'Connor
Woodman
Eger (+ 1 year option to 2014)
Legge
Balkestein
Weston
Diagouraga
Douglas
Saunders (+ 1 year option to 2014)
Forrester
Reeves

Contracted to 2014
Donaldson

Dev Squad (June 2012?)
Gounet
German
Blake
Oyeleke (??)
Griffiths
Pierre
Bellamy
Norris
Kamau
Monakana

Would try to keep:
- Logan
- Lee
- Moore
- O'Connor
- Eger (possibly)
- Legge
- Douglas
- Saunders
- Forrester
- Reeves
- Donaldson

And seriously try to get Forshaw, Saido and Bidwell back again next year.

:wave: to the rest
 

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Sadly the size of change needed in the Summer is as big as ever.

It seems to me that the likely basis of our squad is as follows:

GKs - ok
Fullbacks - Woodman ok (I know others don't share this view). Logan ok.
C Halves - Legge & Eger ok
Centre Midfield - Douglas good in a better midfield. KO'C - ok. Dave - needs to up his game.
Saunders - in and out
Wide Players - Weston - as Dave
Forwards - Donaldson - Ok imo but I know I'm in the minority on this one

Reeves, Oyeleke, German - need experience although I think Reeves at least could be ready & should be given experience this year

The above is on the assumption that we will be trying to move Pim on, Bean will be released (a little unfortunate imo) and KO will leave

That really is hardly the basis of a play-off seeking team/squad and we would be looking to acquire 9-10 players:

Cover LB, Cover RB, 2 CH's, 2 MF's, 1 Wide Player, 3 Strikers

A huge ask imo, & sadly a sign of a lack of progress this season.
 

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Sorry - forgot Forrester but he has a lot to prove
 

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Sorry - forgot Forrester but he has a lot to prove

I would also think there's a good chance of resigning Bidwell on loan for the whole of next season. By far and away the best loan signing Rosler's made IMO.
 

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Although the task facing Rosler of overhauling the squad looks daunting, i think it's also worth looking at Chris Powell to see what can be achieved after an in auspicious end to a season. He could easily have gone after the way Charlton ended last season but they kept faith with him and have reaped the benefits. Yes, he's had considerable financial backing but so to an extent will Uwe.
 

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Powell had good funds made available to him, to bring in players for fees, plus on good wages. He has also mixed experience and youth. Let's hope the monies available to Uwe is spent just as wisely and that we have something to shout about next season. This season offered hope with a new style of management and play but sadly it's become a damp squibb this last month or so. Players need to stand up and take some blame too.
 

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If the club really means business next season and working on the basis that this season has been an opportunity to see which players are capable of playing in a manner which requires a little more in the way of mental strength and understanding than has been necessary in recent years, then some tough decisions need to be made in the coming couple of months, for sure.

Goalkeepers
When Rosler arrived, he said that the goalkeepers were the one area where he had no reason to be concerned and that remains the case, probably even more so. Lee hasn't quite matched his heroic displays of last season but he's still a top quality 'keeper and Moore (who I think can and will easily be the better of the two) will have learnt more from his little run in the first-team. If reports are to be believed, Gounet is also highly-rated. So, no worries at all in that department.

Central Defenders
Let's assume that Osborne is going, which is a real shame because he's undoubtedly the best of them all but that's why he may get a crack at playing at a higher level. He's got all the physical attributes and needs to prove he's got the mental strength too. Let's also assume that Balkestein moves on as well. For whatever reason he hasn't produced the goods here since that first loan spell and it's probably best for all parties that he starts a-fresh elsewhere. However, that leaves Legge and Eger and I see both of those as being excellent League Two or lower half of League One players. I don't see either as a shoe-in for a team challenging for the top six - quite simply, they both make too many errors, despite their physique and muscle.

Full-Backs
'Steady-Eddie' Craig Woodman always looks to me to be an excellent League Two full-back who 'copes' at League One level - comfortable when he's asked to do a job that he knows well but uneasy when required to do something a bit more adventurous. That's fine in the short-term but probably not when aspirations are more ambitious. Shaleum Logan is the complete opposite - he looks as if he enjoys the chance to show off his attacking flair but not always committed enough to do the basic and more mundane tedious defensive work - he's certainly not a lost cause, though.

Midfielders
Despite the occasional criticism of him, Douglas is the first proper midfielder we've had for a few years, his work-rate is good and he never hides, he's always looking for the ball and to try and get others involved. Yes, he has weaknesses - his one-footedness being one of them - but he deserves to be ever-present. The same sadly can't be said about Diagouraga. He ranks as one of the biggest disappointments of recent seasons and the comments applied to Douglas about work-rate, hiding, etc can be said about Diagouraga in complete reverse. A big, big disappointment and I can think of few who would have regrets if he could be moved on before the end of his contract.

No-one can ever complain about Marcus Bean's passion and desire and effort. Unfortunately, outside of League Two, you need a bit more than just those attributes to move a team forward - however, he's one of those players who will always be fondly remembered for his endeavours. Finally, Kevin O'Connor - every club needs a Kevin O'Connor. Whether every team needs a Kevin O'Connor week-in-week-out as a regular is open to question, but we were a better team with him in it early season than we have been without him since Christmas.

Wide-Men
I'm pleased that Sam Saunders will be here next season. He's pleasing-on-the-eye when he's in the mood but like most players of his ilk, that doesn't happen for 90 minutes every Saturday afternoon. He's got a role to play though, bit-part or otherwise. There's no role whatsoever for Niall McGinn to play and the saving grace is that season-long loans come to an end, and the sooner the better in his case. I feel no qualms about being critical of him because he's done so little to encourage support. His pedigree suggests that he must surely be better than we've seen?

Myles Weston is another one to fall too far below expectations to justify him staying on. When he arrived, I was excited about what he could develop into - lightening pace, reasonable strength, some decent crossing - but three years on, I'm firmly of the view that he is-what-he-is and there's nothing more to come from him. Andy Scott failed to get more out of him and, apart from a burst of enthusiasm when Nicky Forster first took over, he meandered through the end of last season and has continued in the same vein this year. Looked to have the potential to do really well but if he's reached his optimum level, then maybe best that he carries that on somewhere else. I genuinely don't know about Harry Forrester - he has sparkled in the few cameo roles that he's had so far but I'd like to see more of him.

Strikers
In his defence, I'd agree that if Rosler watched Donaldson last season, he'd see something in him that would justify signing him. But a striker is usually associated with some sort of goal-scoring instinct and in 40-odd games so far, I've yet to see even a glimpse of it. I think I'm right in saying that until this year he's never played outside the bottom division and we've all seen players in the past who - often surprisingly - have failed to show themselves to be capable of making the step-up. That's my opinion on Donaldson. If it's the view of others too, I hope he gets a chance to perform at another club which matches his own capability.

Loanees
I like Harlee Dean. He was apparently a defensive midfielder until the last year or so - I can see why and maybe he hasn't made the best positional move for his own career. He could turn out to be decent, though. Bidwell and Forshaw look exactly what they are - Premiership Club players plying their trade at a level well below their capability - and we should enjoy them whilst they are here, for however long that might be. Thompson's done little wrong and looks comfortable in this division whilst Berahino will score an absolute hatful if that's all he's ever asked to do. That won't be the case though and he'll find himself being required to do a bit more than that - the key will be whether he's willing or able to do so.

So, on that basis, who do I want to see here next season?

Well, I've probably made that clear but it would leave messrs Warburton and Rosler with an awful lot of work to do to ensure that those 16-match day places can even be filled for each fixture next year. Whether they will be filled by players of the necessary quality remains to be seen.
 

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Should never had got rid of Sammy Wood IMO

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Agreed-would have him in my team ahead of McGinn every time-not given a real chance by Rosler either

And that's what so annoying. Sam has his own limitations but he has a big heart and plays for the shirt rather than other waste of space.
 
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