Some More New Pics of the New Stadium (11th July) (1 Viewer)

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We won’t be expanding ever. It’s been made clear.

The stand that was originally marked for potential expansion, its design/foundations were changed which means instead of adding on another area as and when, now means we’d have to knock down the whole stand to allow the extra seating, which would be too costly.

So there’ll never be an expansion.
Not even if the Premier League introduce a minimum stadium capacity of say 20,000 some time in the future?
 

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Not even if the Premier League introduce a minimum stadium capacity of say 20,000 some time in the future?
If... if... IF there is a mandatory reason to expand capacity significantly, it will be in a new stadium.
 

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If... if... IF there is a mandatory reason to expand capacity significantly, it will be in a new stadium.
Have we started looking...a plan B?
 

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Not even if the Premier League introduce a minimum stadium capacity of say 20,000 some time in the future?
They didn’t want to and now We are unable to
 

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Have we started looking...a plan B?
We are not going to know that, are we? If you want to keep an eye on land transactions to see if Matthew Benham's pension fund acquires a large plot to the West of London, feel free.
 

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We are not going to know that, are we? If you want to keep an eye on land transactions to see if Matthew Benham's pension fund acquires a large plot to the West of London, feel free.
QPR have just done that........
 

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We are not going to know that, are we? If you want to keep an eye on land transactions to see if Matthew Benham's pension fund acquires a large plot to the West of London, feel free.
With the lifetime allowance I doubt that will be happening anytime soon ;)
 

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If... if... IF there is a mandatory reason to expand capacity significantly, it will be in a new stadium.
Always curious about why people are adamant there would be no scope to ever expand. There's no reason to worry about it unless we have a very successful period for the long term and a much larger fan base grows, but if this does happen, which of these two scenarios would be cheaper?:

1. Buy another site further away from Brentford and build a new stadium, part funded by selling Lionel Rd.

2. Remain at Lionel Rd and develop. I know nothing about engineering – so pure speculation that may be easily shot down... wouldn't there be scope to take the north stand down to add further foundations, and with agreement with the people who own the land on the other side of the railway (we have some office space there don't we – so presumably a good relationship?), we build over the railway and add more foundations at the back, on the north side of the railway line, which wouldn't eat into a huge amount of their land. It's not as if there's a lot of housing on this side who would object.

Just dreaming and speculating whilst bored at work, but would be interested to know if (2) was in any way viable. There's a few other teams that have expanded one stand significantly to increase capacity and it would be a dream to stay in the Brentford area if the situation ever came up.
 

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Always curious about why people are adamant there would be no scope to ever expand. There's no reason to worry about it unless we have a very successful period for the long term and a much larger fan base grows, but if this does happen, which of these two scenarios would be cheaper?:

1. Buy another site further away from Brentford and build a new stadium, part funded by selling Lionel Rd.

2. Remain at Lionel Rd and develop. I know nothing about engineering – so pure speculation that may be easily shot down... wouldn't there be scope to take the north stand down to add further foundations, and with agreement with the people who own the land on the other side of the railway (we have some office space there don't we – so presumably a good relationship?), we build over the railway and add more foundations at the back, on the north side of the railway line, which wouldn't eat into a huge amount of their land. It's not as if there's a lot of housing on this side who would object.

Just dreaming and speculating whilst bored at work, but would be interested to know if (2) was in any way viable. There's a few other teams that have expanded one stand significantly to increase capacity and it would be a dream to stay in the Brentford area if the situation ever came up.
People are adamant because that's what Matthew Benham said. The costs of taking down a stand and rebuilding with more capacity would be a small gain for an extraordinary cost, let alone the planning objection from residents dragging out the permission. Building out over a rail line that is in regular use would again be a vast cost and probably years in the planning. If we're ever in the position to have a requirement for a considerably larger stadium, a less constrained site with lower construction costs makes sense.
 

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By this time we will be a franchise, so I wouldn't worry.

Luton the Red Sock Bees, is the latest suggestion I've heard.
 

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So why is it then? Sensible non conspiracy theory answers only.
Because it was what someone wanted. Forgotten his name.

Nothing to do with potential One of tournaments
 

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A little bit unfair in my opinion. Based on the fact these seats have been introduced to create a sense of a full stadium on the TV, should we be under sold at all, then we could be giving ourselves a real chance of getting more live games and being more attractive to potential fans/visitors.

How many games have you seen at the Riverside and thought "God that looks awful/How is it so empty/I would hate to be in a half empty ground"...you wouldn't want to visit it because it LOOKS so bad, but people may be more inclined to visit if they feel they'll get a better experience in the ground.
"I would hate to be in a half empty ground"

You have not been coming to Brentford very long have you?
We invented social distancing many years ago with 25% capacity.
 
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Because it was what someone wanted. Forgotten his name.

Nothing to do with potential One of tournaments
"It's what <insert name> wanted"? Er ok, and why did <insert name> want it? Was it because <insert name> likes seats of different colours? or because we can market the stadium for other events such as Football Tournaments?

We will get there in the end Herbert.
 

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"It's what <insert name> wanted"? Er ok, and why did <insert name> want it? Was it because <insert name> likes seats of different colours? or because we can market the stadium for other events such as Football Tournaments?

We will get there in the end Herbert.
What difference would having red / white / black seats have made to hosting other tournaments ?

not a dig , just curious
 
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What difference would having red / white / black seats have made to hosting other tournaments ?

not a dig , just curious
TV coverage. TV companies and Organisers don't want the impression the stadium is empty when Peru play Mongolia in the Women's U18 World Cup for example <=== 100th time.

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer a strongly branded BFC stadium too. But if we want to make some money to spend on players then this isn't something I can get too excited over.
 

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TV coverage. TV companies and Organisers don't want the impression the stadium is empty when Peru play Mongolia in the Women's U18 World Cup for example <=== 100th time.
Except who are the competition for those sorts of games in the London/the South? The likes of Fulham, Millwall, Reading, MK, Brighton, Soton etc are all a fair bit bigger than LR, so coloured seats or no, there'll be even more empty seats to conceal.

And similar-sized stadia like Pompey, QPR, Luton and Orient are outdated etc.

AFC Wimbledon, Oxford and Wycombe are a good bit smaller, while Spurs, Chelsea, WHU and Arsenal etc are far too big.

Don't they call it "Niche Marketing" or something?
 
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Don't they call it "Niche Marketing" or something?
The stadium meets the latest broadcast standards, which are mandatory for EUFA/FIFA use, and I'd wager that only the current PL stadia have that. Our location is also a feature, with the proximity of LHR and central London. It's about the whole package and the seats are just another tick in the box... for the box.
 

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The stadium meets the latest broadcast standards, which are mandatory for EUFA/FIFA use, and I'd wager that only the current PL stadia have that. Our location is also a feature, with the proximity of LHR and central London. It's about the whole package and the seats are just another tick in the box... for the box.
Always liked a proper box to box player.
 

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Well we are moving up market - “were just a train stop in Kew “
 

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We're just a train stop called Kew Bridge.
"train stop in Kew Bridge" more difficult to sing/say than chanting "bus stop in 'ounslow"! Just doesn't fit, somehow, with the Guatemala tune!
 

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It's a 3-way transport interchange in Brentford, though: Overground station, Bus stop and Cycleway 9...

Not sure about rhyme or scan, though.
 

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From a geezer working at the stadium, I guess we know this already!

Officially it's some kind of internal fit sign off I believe.
 

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Drove past yesterday , looks amazing
 
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From a geezer working at the stadium, I guess we know this already!

Officially it's some kind of internal fit sign off I believe.
Where are his pictures then?
 

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Hope so , much appreciated all photos,
Very exciting times 👍🐝🐝🐝🐝 on and off the pitch...
p.s. Thanks !!! Matthew....
 

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Looks great. Apologies as I imagine it’s been discussed before but I thought we had a reduced capacity from the original plans with an option to increase if required? But after listening to Jon Varney’s interview that isn’t the case?

If/when we do make it to the Premier league and establish ourselves is that a missed opportunity? I’m not moaning and think it’s brilliant that we have this amazing stadium which is the right size for now but just thinking long term if we were a Premier league side selling out every week and we have no option to increase capacity.
 

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Looks great. Apologies as I imagine it’s been discussed before but I thought we had a reduced capacity from the original plans with an option to increase if required? But after listening to Jon Varney’s interview that isn’t the case?

If/when we do make it to the Premier league and establish ourselves is that a missed opportunity? I’m not moaning and think it’s brilliant that we have this amazing stadium which is the right size for now but just thinking long term if we were a Premier league side selling out every week and we have no option to increase capacity.
- Was 20,000 now 17,250 (a few more hundred mooted)
- Increase would likely mean demolishing the North stand, building over the railway (permission needed), buying more land from Sega (I think) and then would only add a few thousand seats at a huge cost
 

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The capacity will not be increased. That ship has sailed.

In the Premier League match day income is a small percentage of total revenue
 
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The capacity will not be increased. That ship has sailed.

In the Premier League match day income is a small percentage of total revenue
It was never in dock!

It was made clear from the first news on it that the stadium would never be expanded

Well, except for Cliff who muddied the waters by answering "if the circumstances were right..." but the circumstances will NEVER be right for the reason hobbsy mentions above. And it wasn't the most transparent a Football Club Chairman has ever been.
 

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A season ticket could become a much sought after item. Lump on while you still can.
 

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It was never in dock!

It was made clear from the first news on it that the stadium would never be expanded

Well, except for Cliff who muddied the waters by answering "if the circumstances were right..." but the circumstances will NEVER be right for the reason hobbsy mentions above. And it wasn't the most transparent a Football Club Chairman has ever been.
Like you say, this one has been done to death but still the question gets asked from time to time. John Varney again made it quite clear on his Q&A yesterday that the capacity cannot be expanded regardless of what league we're in.

The key part of the new stadium was getting the 3,000 genuine premium seats in the South stand as these are the real money earners, particularly while we live in the Championship and are more reliant on our stadium revenue. As others have said, adding an extra 5,000 or even 10,000 normal/regular seats if we reside in the PL, will make little difference as the TV/Sponsorship monies dwarf any additional seat revenue. You're probably looking at around £3m to £6M in revenue for the extra 5,000 to 10,000 seats, which against TV/Sponsorship revenue of £120M is peanuts in the scheme of things.
 

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In the age of the mobile phone there have been some truly horrific quality pictures of the stadium, get your hopes up to see it and then have to put the pixels together to work out what you're looking at lol
 

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Drove past the new stadium yesterday from the M4 it looks very bland.What are the plans for the exterior it definitely needs some sort of signage or advertising on the outside.
 

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Drove past the new stadium yesterday from the M4 it looks very bland.What are the plans for the exterior it definitely needs some sort of signage or advertising on the outside.
Naming rights?
 
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Drove past the new stadium yesterday from the M4 it looks very bland.What are the plans for the exterior it definitely needs some sort of signage or advertising on the outside.
It has signage on the exterior.
 

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Yeah a few signs but majority of the exterior is very bland very grey it needs more red red and black and a bit of advertising like walsall have.
 

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Drove past the new stadium yesterday from the M4 it looks very bland.What are the plans for the exterior it definitely needs some sort of signage or advertising on the outside.
What you can see from the M4 is a valuable space and will be part of the naming rights package. It'll look great as the Sanilav Bowl!
 

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Yeah a few signs but majority of the exterior is very bland very grey it needs more red red and black and a bit of advertising like walsall have.
Every time I drive past Walsall’s ground, I remark to myself-oh, there’s Walsalls ground, as if I’ve never seen it before.

I think the advertising you can see is inside the ground, is it not? The stand at the rear being higher than the one nearest the flyover.
 

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