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I thought the ref was gagging to give them everything today real big team bias

regulon took a throw 40yatds from where it was and he let it go

not why we lost but poor refereeing tonight
Unfortunately happening a lot and happens to others. Top 6 teams tend to get more 50/50 decisions their way have to get used to it. Quite a few last night where Toney was man handled and no foul given.
 

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It’s funny, 13 games it has taken for the usual sad faces to appear on the match day thread to call us out as being fodder or no good,

They must have been abroad tha last 2 months
People are allowed to point out we were playing well first 10 games and that form has dropped off big time … it’s a forum and a thread to analyse the game last night… we were very very poor, no problem admitting that or admitting we look in trouble if we continue playing like that, rose tinted glasses get you no where.
 
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Well it wouldn't be forever and the idea is it would strengthen the defence more than weaken the midfield, but thanks for your measured and considered input 🙄
Ooh, get you 🤣
Norgaard is by far the best midfielder we have.
I think your suggestion would weaken the midfield far more than it would strengthen the defence.
Thanks for your input, too :wave:
 

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People are allowed to point out we were playing well first 10 games and that form has dropped off big time … it’s a forum and a thread to analyse the game last night… we were very very poor, no problem admitting that or admitting we look in trouble if we continue playing like that, rose tinted glasses get you no where.
It's not that that people aren't afraid to admit we were poor, it's some of the comments liek "relegation fodder" and "giving up".
We were very poor but we will have days like that. People's over reaction to losing to a side that had reached the CL final not long ago and established PL side.

We will lose way more than we win this season. People need to get used to that for a fair few seasons. Will take 3-5 years to establish ourselves in this league. Even then we're likely float around 8th-15th because of the vast sums of money other teams have.
 
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People are allowed to point out we were playing well first 10 games and that form has dropped off big time … it’s a forum and a thread to analyse the game last night… we were very very poor, no problem admitting that or admitting we look in trouble if we continue playing like that, rose tinted glasses get you no where.
You crack on with your overanalysis/navel gazing
I’m pretty sure it will get you nowhere 🤷‍♂️
 

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Norgaard is by far the best midfielder we have.
I think your suggestion would weaken the midfield far more than it would strengthen the defence.
Thanks for your input, too :wave:
Evidently Thomas does too. But i think you're both wrong 😀 it's a more viable option than a couple of weeks ago, anyway. 4pts from 7 games so i don't think it's outrageous (or a quote "****ing travesty") to suggest a change.
 

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Losing away at Spurs to drop to 12th in the PL is really the final straw.

I expect us to win every game playing high tempo champagne football and accordingly I shall be cutting up my ST and posting it back to Jon Varney and the Coffee Cartel (who I first heard on a Peel Session years before any of you) with a sternly worded letter in my most vivid green ink demanding his immediate resignation and a lifetime’s supply of Bovril.

Back on earth, I thought Goode had another good game. Alvaro made some excellent saves, is clearly improving in his own confidence and the team’s confidence in him and his distribution, while not perfect is also improving. Baptiste added a lot coming on as did Jensen and maybe the brave thing would be to start with a more creative line up and take the game to opponents a bit more from the start. Looking forward to Leeds!
Yes, I'd agree with that, I thought the key problem, especially first half, was the lack of ambition, barely played in their half even if we were knocking it around fairly easily in the main around the backline and the midfield - possibly that was due to being wary of their undoubted prowess on the break (as evidenced by their second goal from 3 passes). When Jensen, Baptiste and Wissa came on, we actually looked a bit more threatening and they certainly lost some shape and cohesion. Was hoping we might have caught them cold after their extended rest but actually looks like that was to their advantage and now we go to Leeds with 2 days less rest than them so refreshing the starting line up would make a lot of sense to me,
 

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Looking back on last night, we weren't terrible, they weren't brilliant but they did work very hard and seemed well organised (the Conte effect I guess). They were also obviously fresher than us having no game last Sunday.
Easy to say in hindsight but I feel that the selection was a bit 'safe' and perhaps we could have been a bit braver. It is noticeable that we don't travel with the ball - either out of defence or from midfield to attack - which makes us look a bit predictable. So many times I was hoping that Rico would take on their full back but he didn't (I appreciate that at times the also had player blocking the space behind but not every time).
Still, some positives to take away from the game. Alvaro excellent (bar one punch - Loris was excellent in this regard), Charlie had a solid game and Christian was superb as normal. We looked so much better after Baptiste, Wissa and Jensen came on and hopefully they'll get more game time on Sunday.
Looking forward to Sunday now..
 

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I can understand some of the reactions but from a positive point of view I think the coaching staff are fully aware of our current issues and we will transition to a modified version of our current shape and style to continue to compete. Teams know how to nullify us now which is in 2 areas, firstly pin our wing backs at the right moment by allowing the ball to come to them then rapidly press forcing us to go back again or play square and secondly keep a slightly deeper backline while double marking Toney. Bryan can't hold the ball up and teams seem to be closing off the Toney option, once you've done those 2 things we're stuck in any combination of Jensen, Norgaard, Janelt or Onyeka. Baptiste changes that dynamic, all of a sudden you have a player who can get in between the midfield and defence, the defence has to tighten up and narrow as a result which brings the WBs into the attack as they can progress further up the pitch.

We're dealing with elite players at this level and the more they know about us the easier it is to play against us, if we've only got 1 or 2 attacking patterns in open play we become very easy to play against. Baptiste would have started 100% if he was fit enough to but clearly he's not ready and the strategy was to be as competitive as possible with players who were able to start. Once he's starting and we have another dynamic to our team that is currently missing I expect we'll be allot harder to handle and other players will look better as a result.

Personally I'm hoping we can end up with a back 3 of Ajer/Pontus,Pinnock - Rico/Sergi WB's - Baptise and Norgaard CMs - Wissa/Toney/Byran up top.
Yes, noticed how Royal closed down Rico every single time he received the ball, really quick off the mark in closing down the space and same on the other side.
 

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Thought the Bees fans did us proud, outsinging the home fans most of the time. The only time the Spurs fans made much noise was when they sang ‘when the spurs go marching in’ at half tempo.
"Are all their songs Church choir ones??" my daughter mused, "nah only half of them - they only have two songs" I replied.
 

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Yes, noticed how Royal closed down Rico every single time he received the ball, really quick off the mark in closing down the space and same on the other side.
This is the step up from the Championship- opponents there also looked to do this (successfully in the case of Millwall and Cardiff) but were not as capable of doing it as consistently and didn’t have the quality to go from that to hurting us. But Spurs and most PL clubs will have much higher quality players.
 

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I thought the ref was gagging to give them everything today real big team bias

regulon took a throw 40yatds from where it was and he let it go

not why we lost but poor refereeing tonight
Fans opinions on refs is a strange one as on the Spurs forum they generally think he gave us everything and was even accused of being anti Semitic. I suppose he was just poor all round.
 

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I was sat incognito in the home stand (West Lower). Incredible view and, perhaps, a more objective view that usual as I listened to the Spurs fans around me.
It was clear from very early on that we couldn't cope with them down our right side. Canos was slower than Regulion (which is no embarrassment - he's an incredible athlete) but that's where you need you a quick, sharp right centre back to step in - covering and then offering a degree of threat running out with the ball to make their left wing back start to defend.
Goode is clearly not that man - which isn't a criticism - he is giving everything and tackles / heads very solidly. But the Ajer injury is killing us. It was Ajer that allowed Canos to develop as a RWB, Ajer that was constantly making last ditch challenges, and Ajer who was driving the ball forward and giving teams something to worry about.
With people around me encouraging their defence to "chip it over the top - their right side is *&%£" it was clear where the constant threat came from.
On another note, Pinnock, Janson, Henry and Noorgard looked entirely comfortable at this altitude.
Watford is the massive game - win that and things should look a lot rosier. Anything at Leeds would be a bonus.
 

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The subs made a difference. The lovely fast interchange of passes initiated by Shandon seconds after coming on was in stark contrast to giving the ball away in the previous hour or so.

Brian had one of those games where he managed to clear the danger when bees managed to attack. Don't know what was going on in his head, he probably doesn't either. Good performances from Alvaro and skipper Pontus. No one was terrible. Try again at Leeds.
 

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Thought we lacked belief and so played it safe which in turn seemed to drain all energy and aggression out of us.
Hopefully they will go to Leeds believing that they can beat them and therefore show more energy and aggression.
 

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Thought the Bees fans did us proud, outsinging the home fans most of the time. The only time the Spurs fans made much noise was when they sang ‘when the spurs go marching in’ at half tempo.
At funeral pace, hardly exhilarating or uplifting!
 

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Fair result, we werent amazing but we werent too bad just lacked a cutting edge and Spurs were well organised and took their chances.

No shame in losing to them, anyone thinking we can bowl up and dominate them can p**s off.

Baptiste and Jensen made a difference, but atm Toney and Bryan are a bit isolated and our out ball is tough as sometimes they are both too deep or far away from each other.

Some of our fans were a disgrace last night, some real pond life following us around giving it the billy bug un, on the beers all day and cant handle the amount they drunk. Whole experience was like Arsenal away in the cup, Nice ground, crap expereince ruined by some of our fans.

Decided last night that im getting to all the grounds i can this season but going forward if we stay up i will prob give most of them a miss and just do a select few. I can happily sit in my seat at LR as there are no plebs around me, away games are becoming tiresome with our self entitled ****s following us around unable to handle their booze.
 

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Fans opinions on refs is a strange one as on the Spurs forum they generally think he gave us everything and was even accused of being anti Semitic. I suppose he was just poor all round.
That's pretty much every game to be honest, and why I find it irritating when everyone goes bleating on about the ref all the time. Fair enough if there's an absolute howler that costs us the game, but how often does that happen?!
 

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I was sat incognito in the home stand (West Lower). Incredible view and, perhaps, a more objective view that usual as I listened to the Spurs fans around me.
It was clear from very early on that we couldn't cope with them down our right side. Canos was slower than Regulion (which is no embarrassment - he's an incredible athlete) but that's where you need you a quick, sharp right centre back to step in - covering and then offering a degree of threat running out with the ball to make their left wing back start to defend.
Goode is clearly not that man - which isn't a criticism - he is giving everything and tackles / heads very solidly. But the Ajer injury is killing us. It was Ajer that allowed Canos to develop as a RWB, Ajer that was constantly making last ditch challenges, and Ajer who was driving the ball forward and giving teams something to worry about.
With people around me encouraging their defence to "chip it over the top - their right side is *&%£" it was clear where the constant threat came from.
On another note, Pinnock, Janson, Henry and Noorgard looked entirely comfortable at this altitude.
Watford is the massive game - win that and things should look a lot rosier. Anything at Leeds would be a bonus.
Good post, ultimately its about having higher quality throughout the team. This takes time and is the reason why at least 1 often 2 teams that get promoted, are relegated in the first season. Games against Spurs are not where we are expected to pick up points, but as you say if we can beat Watford it will be at least 3 points from the previous 3 games, which will keep us up. Its a case of Scrapping every game until we can develop or bring in more quality, which does not happen overnight. Amazes me how some of our supporters think we should be turning over teams like Spurs just because we had a few wins early on in the season. They seriously need a reality check.
 

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The morning after and if honest we looked for the first time like a team happy to be containing a bigger club away from home.
No one apart from Sergi had a shocker, he looked to be blowing after 5 minutes when Moura beat him to a ball and then was running away from him with the ball at his feet.
No disrespect to the keeper who did almost nothing wrong but he doesn’t inspire confidence or move the ball as quickly or accurately as Raya that is a big problem.
On top of that we have lost the ability to create something out of nothing that Benrahma gave us by picking the ball up and sprinting at and past players at pace from anywhere on the pitch.
The ball gets moved slowly from the back and without Ajer we have no one who can carry the ball at pace from our half and create space that allows oppo to regain shape.
It’s unfortunate as both Josh D and Shandon can do that and trust when both are 100% we’ll be a different side and that can only benefit the front two.
Overall I think with limited resources and a small squad we’re doing ok but need that special player to make things happen that we’re missing.
Wissa looks to be a clinical striker and Toney is special but we need him in the opponents final third and someone else needs to be feeding the forwards with killer passes on or around the edge of their box not Bryan or Toney for each other.

No complaints we knew what we were getting into and still think with a bit of luck, players regaining fitness quickly and couple of key signings in Jan we are good enough for 15-17th place but it’s not a gimmee.

Having to walk half hour from Seven Sisters to watch Bees away to Spurs on the league midweek beats Rotherham away any night of the week regardless of what others may say.

Enjoy the season, if we stay up fantastic, if we don’t, please focus on the great grounds, packed stadia, the atmosphere and the quality of football you’re watching rather than moan about players on a third of the salary of most of their opponents not being as good as them!!!

COYBs
 
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Fully agree.
What I posted previously, he gives us an attacking option and brings the ball out of defence at pace creating space and options. He also brought out the best in Sergi that has been sadly lacking when he’s played in front of both Zanka and Goode
 

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Regarding the "third spot", imo the second spot held by Vitaly is not nailed on . He has obvious good qualities and has had excellent games but he sometimes isn't the calmest and can give the ball away a lot at times Certainly don't think we should consider him a shoe-in.. Only Norgarrd has that luxury imo.
Interesting, I thought I was the only one to think that.. I think the issues we're having with that 'third spot' aren't solely about the options we have there and part of a wider problem with the balance in midfield. It probably got a little covered up earlier in the season as we were getting so much joy going long to Toney but now we're having to be a bit cleverer we're starting to see the same issues we had with playing Norgaard and Janelt together in the Championship. It was noticeable how much more CN got forward when we had Baptiste and Jensen in around him and how much better we moved the ball..
 

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I was p1ssed off at losing and even more p1ssed off at the style of play which was much the same as against Everton, and this time we got punished. Aimless hoofball. Pah!!

And then I saw something to change my mind..... Villa, Everton, Leeds, Southampton, Watford, Burnley, Norwich and Newcastle. Below Brentford, in the Premier League. Happy Friday, people!!
 

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Thought we played well and on the balance of play a draw would have been fair result, the major difference was the bit of luck they got with the first goal (although we’ve still got to do better on crosses). Second goal was always a risk pushing for an equaliser. Harry Kane looked even worse than Rondon! Would love to see his aerial dual stats versus Pontus. Another solid game for Goode. Ivan and Bryan were basically playing 2 v 7 the first 60 odd minutes, so no shame in the lack of chances created. Unusual for a top 6 side to do that at home. Wissa and Baptiste made us look much more dangerous, an injury free Baptiste is a top 6 Prem player IMO.

Stadium impressive, but it’s an NFL stadium - not a football one. Reminded me of the Mercedes Benz stadium in Atlanta. Similar atmosphere to the Emirates. Couldn’t do it every week.
 

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‘Toothless’ description of Bees in Daily Telegraph was accurate for this match.
Sad but true, one weak shot on goal by Ivan and one lunge where he forced Loris to save but no more than a half chance.
Need to move the ball quicker to the forwards and get midfielders to run past them into the box.
It’s unfortunate we are missing the players who can carry the ball at pace from our own half, Ajer, Josh D and Shandon.
Rico is great but better when being fed out wide in the oppos half, he tends to check and turn back if he receives the ball from the keeper in our half.
 

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Not really anything new to add - our start to the season was so fantastic that where we are now seems disappointing.
With Raya's brilliance as a shot-stopper, on crosses - but, most importantly, with his precision in long deliveries and with the gloriously talented Ajer in a back three we were capable of scaring anybody - without them we're still a decent side but its much harder - we probably have to accept that we'll be hoping to grind out more victories like we did against Everton. (need to pinch myself - like we did against Everton!) Mustn't forget that this is still by far the most talented Brentford team I've ever seen (much as I loved Stevie Phillips and Andy Mac...) Ethan, Christian, Ivan and Rico are unbelievable players - Sergei can be brilliant on his day, Pontus is a fantastic leader, Wissa and Baptiste are both potential superstars and if Vitaly and Brian are not yet the finished article we know there's fantastic potential there - and despite the doubters Jenson's a proper talent. Youth on the bench looks good too (really rate Roerslev and Bidstrup)
Don't want to be hard on Goode and hope Alvaro keeps getting better - but against the kind of sides we're now playing decent but not brilliant players are chinks in our armour that opposing managers will exploit. Got to keep the faith - our best eleven is more than good enough for this league and we'll get something out of Leeds on Saturday. COYbees.
 

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Sad but true, one weak shot on goal by Ivan and one lunge where he forced Loris to save but no more than a half chance.
Need to move the ball quicker to the forwards and get midfielders to run past them into the box.
It’s unfortunate we are missing the players who can carry the ball at pace from our own half, Ajer, Josh D and Shandon.
Rico is great but better when being fed out wide in the oppos half, he tends to check and turn back if he receives the ball from the keeper in our half.

Half of the problem is also because Rico and Canos are the width. So when they are wide and trying to drive half the time there is no option out infront of them.
 

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What i will say is Spurs did not play us off the pitch. They just had that little bit extra in the final third and dealt with our attempts very well.
 

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What i will say is Spurs did not play us off the pitch. They just had that little bit extra in the final third and dealt with our attempts very well.
Yeah they are definitely not a soft touch at the back like many a Spurs team old
 

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......... and easily the most boring football chant in the history of the game.
Can't agree. It was fine when sung at normal tempo by Southampton fans (the Saints, geddit?) It's only been rubbish since Tottenham stole it and turned it into a dirge.
 

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I don't think we played badly, and I don't think Spurs were great, but we seemed cautious. For the first half I could understand that and ensuring we remained in the game and at 1-0 down was expecting a big shift and improvement with our subs to come on, the second goal killed the game.

The link between midfield and frontline isn't quite working, some people on here saying Toney should be called up for England, yet we certainly aren't getting the best out of him, we need to be creating more or giving him something to feed off and score from.

You can't fault Bryan's work rate and running, but end product and goals needs to improve.

We are robust and work hard, but also need be more composed and fluid moving the ball between the lines. Wasn't expecting to win last night, but Spurs certainly weren't great, just don't feel we gave a good example of ourselves or really made a fight of it.
 

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Half of the problem is also because Rico and Canos are the width. So when they are wide and trying to drive half the time there is no option out infront of them.
Spot on and why Ajer such a huge miss and playing two up front means no one in front of Rico like we had with Benrahma. Unfortunate but still think with our best 11 available after Xmas we have enough to be above the drop zone.
The spirit is still good and we don’t look a beaten side at anytime, just lack a bit of special.

On the positive side I thought Pontus owned Kane and Rico played Son really well, it just looks like we have three departments defence, midfield and attack and little fluidity or ability to merge if that makes sense.
 

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It was a classic example first half of a smaller team showing a massive (just look around at the effing stadium!) established Prem team too much respect. We were too deep, too tentative, too nervous, not brave enough and some of our lack of quality in certain positions showed up. But, even then, we competed wholeheartedly and kept Spurs to relatively few decent chances.

Second half, I thought we played really well for the most part, better than first half even before the subs came on. I imagine words were said by TF and team in the interval. We moved about ten yards up the pitch, pressed with much more conviction, were in their faces and were much braver with our passing (eg some excellent passes out from the back back Pontus).

Once Baptiste and Jensen (another very good cameo!) were on, we actually went toe-to-toe with them, and looked on top before their second.

So, overall, I felt pretty buoyed up by the performance. Get Baptisite starting in that team regularly, get Ajer back and build back our confidence and we should be fine. Finally, Norgaard was completely fantastic second half!
 

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It was a classic example first half of a smaller team showing a massive (just look around at the effing stadium!) established Prem team too much respect. We were too deep, too tentative, too nervous, not brave enough and some of our lack of quality in certain positions showed up. But, even then, we competed wholeheartedly and kept Spurs to relatively few decent chances.

Second half, I thought we played really well for the most part, better than first half even before the subs came on. I imagine words were said by TF and team in the interval. We moved about ten yards up the pitch, pressed with much more conviction, were in their faces and were much braver with our passing (eg some excellent passes out from the back back Pontus).

Once Baptiste and Jensen (another very good cameo!) were on, we actually went toe-to-toe with them, and looked on top before their second.

So, overall, I felt pretty buoyed up by the overall performance. Get Baptisite starting in that team regularly, get Ajer back and build back our confidence and we should be fine. Finally, Norgaard was completely fantastic second half!
100% agree
 

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With the games coming thick and fast, some fresh legs would come in handy. If they're fully fit, Baptiste, Wissa and Jensen might merit a start, and perhaps Roerslev too. Important that we pick up points against Leeds, Watford and Southampton, with the two Manchester clubs looming on the horizon.
 

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Can't agree. It was fine when sung at normal tempo by Southampton fans (the Saints, geddit?) It's only been rubbish since Tottenham stole it and turned it into a dirge.

Saints have started singing it slowly too! :(
 

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the subs affected our game positively and we moved the ball better and quicker. The whole team looked more positive. I'm wondering whether the restrained attacking was down to Thomas ' s instruction? Thomas does talk about the players having to be brave but maybe he needs to be brave too? The whole team looked like it had been freed after the subs.
 
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It was a classic example first half of a smaller team showing a massive (just look around at the effing stadium!) established Prem team too much respect. We were too deep, too tentative, too nervous, not brave enough and some of our lack of quality in certain positions showed up. But, even then, we competed wholeheartedly and kept Spurs to relatively few decent chances.

Second half, I thought we played really well for the most part, better than first half even before the subs came on. I imagine words were said by TF and team in the interval. We moved about ten yards up the pitch, pressed with much more conviction, were in their faces and were much braver with our passing (eg some excellent passes out from the back back Pontus).

Once Baptiste and Jensen (another very good cameo!) were on, we actually went toe-to-toe with them, and looked on top before their second.

So, overall, I felt pretty buoyed up by the performance. Get Baptisite starting in that team regularly, get Ajer back and build back our confidence and we should be fine. Finally, Norgaard was completely fantastic second half!
Couldn't agree more. Some people will moan and say we are crap any time we lose - usually the same people who will claim we are by far the greatest team the world has ever seen when we've just stolen a 1-0 win and 3 points we didn't really deserve. But the reality is, if we want to be the best team in the world and never lose another game ever, we're going to need to strengthen. Because we really aren't. And have no right to expect to be. We were beaten by a stronger team last night, worth north of £500 million and we gave them a run for that money. Where's the shame in that?

What I saw was my team go out and compete with one of the top clubs in the world. Well, London, anyway. 🤷‍♂️ There was nervousness, but there was also commitment and effort. It's only when the latter two are absent that I'll start to get upset. We're 12th in the Premier League ffs. What will it take to make certain people happy?
 

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As we lack quality in our squad compared to the big clubs, maybe we need more quantity - then we can rest and rotate players. It is impossible to play every match at 120% week in, week out.
 

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This is a relentless division with all the best players in the world bar maybe 2 or 3 playing here. We are going to have games where we simply can't get into it and it is a routine win for the opposition, away to MC, Arsenal, Chelsea and Pool will be like that but as long as we put up a fight and don't get smashed it will be fine.

We then keep winning the winnable games and finish mid table, every year we chip away at it getting slightly better uncovering more gems along the way.

I don't want to be one of those teams that smashed it first season and then gets "found out" in the second season, I would rather we just picked up the pace gradually over the next 10 years or so.

Just for the record I don't buy into all those cliches about being found out year 2, being shocked by the pace, being unrelenting etc because we all knew that 10 years ago. We all knew if you dominate Chelsea, Leicester, Brighton and Norwich and fail to score when on top they will beat you 1.0, if you make a mistake it will be punished and the pace is unrelenting, it is not something that suddenly takes a promoted team by surprise. You don't get "found out" after a season you get found out after 4 minutes of the first game with all the analysts recording every dance step during every game.

There are 2 types of teams that go up, ones not good enough to survive and ones that are, the ones that are have all their best players taken after 1 season and can't replace them, that is where we may have an advantage if the last 10 years are anything to go by.
 

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Looking back on last night, we weren't terrible, they weren't brilliant but they did work very hard and seemed well organised (the Conte effect I guess).
This.
They were also obviously fresher than us having no game last Sunday.
No doubt the Burnley game being called off will have helped them. As against that, Spurs have already played 22 games this season (vs 17 for BFC), incl 7 European games, 4 of them abroad. Plus nearly all of their players have been playing full internationals this season, in Africa and South America etc, as well as Europe, following on from a long summer in the Euro's and Copa America etc

I'm not a Doom & Gloomer by any means, but I was disappointed that Bees seemed to lack any "spark" last night, until the subs lifted things in the second half.
 
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Being lucky enough to have sat in a box courtesy of a Spurs fan , imagine we had a much better view than our travelling support. Even the Spurs fans expected us to worry a creaky back five without Romero. Have to say we were tepid at best & very poor on the ball. Always the threat we would be picked off if we came out of our shell as were for the 2nd. Spurs front three were very good & on the move all game. Skipp played some lovely through balls. However we just sat there inviting pressure it seemed. Only went Jensen came on did we start to create & threaten an average Spurs team. Love Frank but sorry for me we went way too negative. Fans of train home pretty much if the same opinion. At least give it and go down with some fight befir the game is gone. Leeds has to be a positive approach
 

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This.

No doubt the Burnley game being called off will have helped them. As against that, Spurs have already played 22 games this season (vs 17 for BFC), incl 7 European games, 4 of them abroad. Plus nearly all of their players have been playing full internationals this season, in Africa and South America etc, as well as Europe, following on from a long summer in the Euro's and Copa America etc

I'm not a Doom & Gloomer by any means, but I was disappointed that Bees seemed to lack any "spark" last night, until the subs lifted things in the second half.
The European games are Euro Conference games the JP Trophy equivalent. With their massive playing resources they can rotate players. Their last defeat to Mura was a team mainly made up of non-first team starters as we're their earlier games.
 

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People are allowed to point out we were playing well first 10 games and that form has dropped off big time … it’s a forum and a thread to analyse the game last night… we were very very poor, no problem admitting that or admitting we look in trouble if we continue playing like that, rose tinted glasses get you no where.
We were not “very very poor”
 

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People are allowed to point out we were playing well first 10 games and that form has dropped off big time … it’s a forum and a thread to analyse the game last night… we were very very poor, no problem admitting that or admitting we look in trouble if we continue playing like that, rose tinted glasses get you no where.
Ridiculously overreacting also gets you nowhere.
 
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The European games are Euro Conference games the JP Trophy equivalent. With their massive playing resources they can rotate players. Their last defeat to Mura was a team mainly made up of non-first team starters as we're their earlier games.
Fair point. As against that, they all have to travel and in any case, 8 of last nights starters featured at some stage out in Slovenia, plus Tanganga, who came on as sub:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59406834
 
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