Stats based recruitment or is this just a front?

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Everyone associates Brentford with stats based recruitment. But is all it seems to be?

Scratch under the surface and you might find our January transfer deals had a common theme. World in motion

"One of the few truly global sports management companies offering a comprehensive and exclusive management service to footballers | IG: worldinmotionagency"

So its not stats, but maybe we go to world in motion and say we are looking for speedy forward/winger. They just so happen to have on their books a Florian Jozefzoon who lets face it none of us had probably ever heard of before.

I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing as FloJo looks to an excellent buy.
 

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I can't see any basis for your speculation. They are a large football agent business in the UK, so it's not surprising if we used them on behalf of BFC to negotiate contracts or may have bought or sold a player they represent. They also specialise in 'keepers and have a statistical research business, I believe, so there may be a connection there.
 

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MB's use of stats to run his betting company and using the same algorithm to research players has been covered extensively over the last 5 years. We still use all the traditional methods of scouting players but the stats help identify under the radar players or ones with potential as part of the usual go to see them stuff.

Not sure what the question is to be honest.
 

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Everyone associates Brentford with stats based recruitment. But is all it seems to be?

Scratch under the surface and you might find our January transfer deals had a common theme. World in motion

"One of the few truly global sports management companies offering a comprehensive and exclusive management service to footballers | IG: worldinmotionagency"

So its not stats, but maybe we go to world in motion and say we are looking for speedy forward/winger. They just so happen to have on their books a Florian Jozefzoon who lets face it none of us had probably ever heard of before.

I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing as FloJo looks to an excellent buy.

You're throwing up an old misinterpreted argument again that I thought had been put to bed. Rasmus has been quoted publicly on numerous occasions explaining how we use stats to complement more traditional scouting methods. It is the methodology behind the stats, and the interpretation thereof, that is unique to our model. That said, couldn't our acquisition of FloJo have started off by a conversation in our stats department to the question of whatever happened to that PSV winger that was looking decent on our stats chart awhile back? To which the response might have been 'Oh he's been injured, but now fully fit and yet PSV are using him sparingly at the moment, hmm wonder if there is a deal in this...who's his agent?'...
 

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Read some old threads and you'll find your answer.
 

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Hasnt this already been done to death? We recruit in the usual manner but use stats to back up a potential signing.
 

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I can't see any basis for your speculation. They are a large football agent business in the UK, so it's not surprising if we used them on behalf of BFC to negotiate contracts or may have bought or sold a player they represent. They also specialise in 'keepers and have a statistical research business, I believe, so there may be a connection there.

A player agent business which itself uses stats would be well placed to pitch players to teams which took stats seriously. I would expect that Brentford, like all clubs, will have agents constantly pitching players and will itself be identifying players through stats and more traditional means whose agents they might want to approach. An agent which is au fait with stats will have a commercial advantage over traditional agents in identifying suitable clubs for their clients. If we weren't using the methods we do I'm not really sure that any agent would be pitching to a PSV player that they might want to join us even if in this case (and there's no evidence on this) we hadn't already identified Flo as a target and initiated the discussion.
 

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A player agent business which itself uses stats would be well placed to pitch players to teams which took stats seriously. I would expect that Brentford, like all clubs, will have agents constantly pitching players and will itself be identifying players through stats and more traditional means whose agents they might want to approach. An agent which is au fait with stats will have a commercial advantage over traditional agents in identifying suitable clubs for their clients. If we weren't using the methods we do I'm not really sure that any agent would be pitching to a PSV player that they might want to join us even if in this case (and there's no evidence on this) we hadn't already identified Flo as a target and initiated the discussion.
I don't believe that Josefzoon or Canós had this group as their agents.
 

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I don't believe that Josefzoon or Canós had this group as their agents.

Original post said Flo was. Canos didn't need to be touted to us by an agent, I'd have thought he originally would have come after the usual discussions the club will have had with LFC and other PL clubs about taking players on loan for development and had then generated enough knowledge (statistical and other) by his time with us on loan.
 

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Everyone associates Brentford with stats based recruitment. But is all it seems to be?

Scratch under the surface and you might find our January transfer deals had a common theme. World in motion

"One of the few truly global sports management companies offering a comprehensive and exclusive management service to footballers | IG: worldinmotionagency"

So its not stats, but maybe we go to world in motion and say we are looking for speedy forward/winger. They just so happen to have on their books a Florian Jozefzoon who lets face it none of us had probably ever heard of before.

I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing as FloJo looks to an excellent buy.

Which other Bees players are with this agency?
 

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I wonder what the statistical field is for identifying if a player is a c**t ?
 

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Which other Bees players are with this agency?

As far as I can ascertain, the only BFC players with them are Alan McCormack and Ilias Chatzitheodoridis.
 

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As far as I can ascertain, the only BFC players with them are Alan McCormack and Ilias Chatzitheodoridis.

Right. So am I missing something here? What's the story?

Doesn't look like there's any trend, unlike a certain other agency which employees a certain former manager's daughter which seems to have had an awful lot of players pass through the doors of her father's last two clubs.
 

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Everyone associates Brentford with stats based recruitment. But is all it seems to be?

Scratch under the surface and you might find our January transfer deals had a common theme. World in motion

"One of the few truly global sports management companies offering a comprehensive and exclusive management service to footballers | IG: worldinmotionagency"

So its not stats, but maybe we go to world in motion and say we are looking for speedy forward/winger. They just so happen to have on their books a Florian Jozefzoon who lets face it none of us had probably ever heard of before.

I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing as FloJo looks to an excellent buy.

Based on one transfer would you say this was common cause or special cause? Tampering?
 
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As far as I can ascertain, the only BFC players with them are Alan McCormack and Ilias Chatzitheodoridis.

Canos, or else its a bit odd an agent having his photo celebrating his move to Brentford.


Trust me, I get all the stat and traditional method recruiting. I just found it interesting to see that what I could see all the latest signings are from 1 agency.
 

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Canos, or else its a bit odd an agent having his photo celebrating his move to Brentford.


Trust me, I get all the stat and traditional method recruiting. I just found it interesting to see that what I could see all the latest signings are from 1 agency.

Looks like the agent could represent Norwich, not Canos.
 

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Looks like the agent could represent Norwich, not Canos.

They say they have "brokered deals" for NCFC, so this could be correct. The 'Canós to Brentford' is a news item from them and does not appear to link them to the transaction!
 
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