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It’s not a thread I’m overly delighted about starting because there will probably be a lot of silly over analysis, I’ve seen some on twitter already.

The truth is every game has a unique pattern, and today Stoke got an early enough goal - one they were a bit fortunate to score - and it set things up perfectly for them to frustrate which is what they are well equipped to do. Similar to the Forest game at Griffin Park early this year.

There are a couple of lessons to be learned, however.

1) Jensen & Mbeumo, despite a run of games since their injuries/illnesses have not got up to speed. Not a criticism of Frank for selecting them, more an observation that it’s likely a form or confidence issue rather than a fitness issue. Especially with Bryan, the body language says it all.

2) Thomas Frank might have made changes earlier. We could have gone more attacking sooner than we did. They didn’t threaten at all going forwards in the second half and we notably improved in attacking intent when Baptiste and Dervisoglu came on. Who knows, another 10 minutes on the pitch for those two and we might have found a goal.

We dust ourselves off and move on. These games happen, and it’s far from our only 1-0 defeat this season.

Important that the magnitude of the situation regards the league table doesn’t cloud people’s judgement over the team, based on this result. They are not bottlejobs, and they are also not responsible for any of our previous playoff defeats.

Whether it’s automatics or playoffs, there’s still a big chance here and I believe we can do it despite today.
 
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Thought Dervisoglu was one of the few positives from today, really got involved and kept the ball well in tight spaces.

Otherwise... aaaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhh!!!
 

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It happens. We were nowhere near our best but neither were we on Wednesday night when we could’ve just as easily dropped points.
 

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It happens. We were nowhere near our best but neither were we on Wednesday night when we could’ve just as easily dropped points.
I think to tbh, we have not been at our best performance wise for a few games now but managed to win until today. What was disappointing was with the exception of introducing Marcondes we did not seem to have a plan b, after going behind and it all got a bit desperate at times. I hope we can put this result behind us and move on. We need to be playing with the freedom and without fear or pressure. I hope we can just forget other teams and be ourselves. At the start of the season, most bees fans would have taken 3rd or 4th place. But I understand the disappointment, we need to move on to the next game as we still have a good chance.
 

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It’s not a thread I’m overly delighted about starting because there will probably be a lot of silly over analysis, I’ve seen some on twitter already.

The truth is every game has a unique pattern, and today Stoke got an early enough goal - one they were a bit fortunate to score - and it set things up perfectly for them to frustrate which is what they are well equipped to do. Similar to the Forest game at Griffin Park early this year.

There are a couple of lessons to be learned, however.

1) Jensen & Mbeumo, despite a run of games since their injuries/illnesses have not got up to speed. Not a criticism of Frank for selecting them, more an observation that it’s likely a form or confidence issue rather than a fitness issue. Especially with Bryan, the body language says it all.

2) Thomas Frank might have made changes earlier. We could have gone more attacking sooner than we did. They didn’t threaten at all going forwards in the second half and we notably improved in attacking intent when Baptiste and Dervisoglu came on. Who knows, another 10 minutes on the pitch for those two and we might have found a goal.

We dust ourselves off and move on. These games happen, and it’s far from our only 1-0 defeat this season.

Important that the magnitude of the situation regards the league table doesn’t cloud people’s judgement over the team, based on this result. They are not bottlejobs, and they are also not responsible for any of our previous playoff defeats.

Whether it’s automatics or playoffs, there’s still a big chance here and I believe we can do it despite today.
Unfortunately when the opposition score first and 'bank up' we have no answer. It has been the same for several years now. The Plan from Preston, acknowledged by their Manager, was to go in front and then defend in numbers. Fortunately Brentford scored first in that game.
 

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Amazing what the pressure of having something in your grasp can do. A lot of young players who will never had experience of how to cope .All if buts and maybes now but the team will feel as devastated as we all do. But we'll learn, get better and come again. No one had a shocker and the subs all good enough quality to come on and contribute. No one is injured or will be suspended. Even under such pressure we kept passing and creating and on another day we'd have converted one of those late chances. keep the faith ,we go again.COYB
 

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We were tense and tentative from moment one. The occasion got to us and fatigue was also likely an issue. When Stoke scored it never really felt there was a way back, though we might have been luckier. I would consider freshening up a bit v Barnsley.
 

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We were tense and tentative from moment one. The occasion got to us and fatigue was also likely an issue. When Stoke scored it never really felt there was a way back, though we might have been luckier. I would consider freshening up a bit v Barnsley.
Yep, I’d like to see baptiste and Marcondes in midfield.. it’s not really happening for Mbuemo either at the moment so think he needs a break..
 

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Winning 8 games on the bounce is a fantastic achievement, you have to lose sometime even Leeds Utd. There is no point taking a suicide pill, I hope we can keep the squad together, as if we end up in this league next season we will take some stopping. Our early season form ****ed us we have really done well to end up where we are.the season is still not over we carry on and try to win our next game and see where it takes us. Everyone is gutted but that’s life. We all stay positive and give the lads the best support we keep the faith. before today a lot posted on here how far we have come and how proud they are of our club, and fans that have followed us for 60 years saying this is the best bees side that they have seen. Keep the faith nothing has changed.
 

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So far comments here have been more measured than I expected. I think those going doolally on social media are ones who’ve forgotten that Stoke ground out a 0-0 at GP in the league and we only narrowly beat them in the FA Cup. It is a real shame they crumbled against Leeds but that was uncharacteristic. Since MON came in they’ve been a solid team and even including the Nathan Jones games where he’d clearly got no idea what to do to get results, on xG (which BFC take seriously even if not all fans do), they are a top 6 team.

We weren’t at our best with the passing accuracy in particular being below par but I don’t think we should underestimate how good a performance Stoke gave. They were almost certainly already safe but I think they’re looking at next season, which is not long away and MON seems to be making the team most were fearing before last season when they were tipped to compete for promotion.

We did have a plan B in Marcondes and a Plan C in bringing on so many attacking players we were basically set up 2-2-6 (last seen at home v Newcastle). If anything, I’d criticise that as it encouraged Stoke just to defend more while making it very hard for us to do anything like play our usual game.

In a way I almost prefer to have got the disappointment out of the way now rather than to have had automatic promotion resting tantalisingly on just needing a point against Barnsley and to have thrown it away then. Barnsley are (as seen v Leeds and on xG) much better than their league position. They too will be going for it on Wednesday, whether to have a chance of staying up or with an eye to next season and bouncing back (they look streets ahead of Oxford and if their team remains intact I can see them walking promotion back).

Now we can approach that game without fear and go for the win without thinking on the day what if. A draw might still be enough. A win might not be enough. A defeat at very worst gives us Forest to play rather than Cardiff/Swansea (and the sadness of seeing Fulham go up- though if it isn’t us in second I’m not sure the players will care too much whether it is them or WBA in 2nd). There are no easy games in the play offs.

If in the end we miss out there’s always the chance that this Season becomes another 2012-13 and we know what happened the season after that.
 

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How many points for Referee and Linesman. Abysmal !
Agree. How on earth could they miss the blatant (not subtle) pull on Pinnock's shirt? It finished half way round his neck. Whenever I see a refereeing decision like that I truly wish we could dispense with them and devise/build an Automaton to referee matches.
 
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We were tentative, slow on the ball and never found a rhythm or tempo. Thy pressed us high early on and we could not get out easily, that set the tone and we never really got going. They defended deep after the break and hung on for dear life to a poorly defended goal. Jensen never closed the man down on the edge of the area and Raya had to hold onto the shot or push it wider.
Norgaard was his normal self but the liittle triangles never came off and neither Jensen or Dasilva were an influence. BMW never had the right sort of service and created little for themselves.

The fact that it took over 70 minutes to win a corner and forced their keeper into only two saves tells its own tale and we wasted every set piece we had including a ludicrous foul throw.

We just weren't on it today and paid the price.
 

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We lacked that bit of zip and sparkle today with passes going astray and the tempo not where it needed to be possibly pressure or fatigue but I think it was more to do with the effectiveness of Stoke's defending and the commitment they showed in delivering their game plan. It was very disappointing and I hope mentally the team can use it to motivate them Wednesday and into the play offs unless we have an Ageuro moment which did involve the W12 mob playing away but hopefully it is role reversal Wednesday. For those of us at Cardiff for the play off final against Stoke at least we didn't have to endure Delilah at the end of todays game
 

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The focus has always been we needed to win all our games to get automatic promotion. Huddersfield winning changes that mindset knowing we just need a draw and a win. My mates think this could have been an influence whether we decided to go for a point rather than win. Did that play into the mindsets of the players?

Anyway onto the match, Bryan should have done better with his chance, defo penalty, Raya should have done better with their goal, we had small chances to equalise in the second half and wish Josh used his right foot for his chance. We didn't play well but we have played worse and I would have liked TF to make a couple of changes at HT.

Stoke didn't do enough to win, neither did we. They would have been delighted with a point so would we but they got 3 points and we got none.

Dervisoglu will be a star.

Still gutted. Wished WBA won last night. It's the hope that kills you. Not blaming anyone and still love all the players and management but I don't want to look back on this season and say 'what if .......'
 

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Amazing what the pressure of having something in your grasp can do. A lot of young players who will never had experience of how to cope .All if buts and maybes now but the team will feel as devastated as we all do. But we'll learn, get better and come again. No one had a shocker and the subs all good enough quality to come on and contribute. No one is injured or will be suspended. Even under such pressure we kept passing and creating and on another day we'd have converted one of those late chances. keep the faith ,we go again.COYB
It’s also incredible to think most of these guys are so young and are living in a foreign country away from home
 

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No complaints from me. This has been a remarkable run. All sides lose eventually. Credit to Stoke for an organised display and for being a threat in the first half. Could have gone either way with several chances to each team and a stonewall penalty overlooked, but a draw would have been a fair outcome. Don't think we were that far off recent performances, just came up against a side playing at the top of their game and very well drilled. One regular game to go and still in with a shout, especially with QPR running into form at just the right time. Let's focus on us though.
 

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Maybe would have made no difference, but I can't be accused of saying this just 'cos we lost, as I've brought it up in previous games...

What is it with refusing to make a substitution until at least an hour of the game, when we can make up to 5? Again today, I felt at least one change should have been made at half-time. Thomas rightly went for it later on, but Fosu and Baptiste were only given 6+ minutes (both have looked good in previous games). If they had more time, who knows? It would have been well worth putting more fresh legs on earlier on, as Stoke only had 2 days off (like us) and were still playing with 10 of the starting 11 with 1 minute of normal time left. I'm sure those extra legs and a bit more time could have created a few more chances.

It could have gone similarly wrong against Charlton, but we got away with it (and to be fair, were also creating lots of chances in that game). If it ain't working after 45 minutes and you've got the luxury of 5 subs, why waste another 15 minutes watching more of the same?
 

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We didn't use Bryan at all in the first half, same in the last game. We just seemed too deep for most of the game, Said was playing in midfield - Sam commented on it at half time.

Rubbish officials, they could see Ethan's ankle playing their man onside but they couldn't see him getting blatantly pulled back, nor that pig McClean pushing Ollie over in the box. I really, really, really hate these anti-football teams.

Oh, and it was fantastic to see Sergi back, thought he did really well.
 

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Didn’t see the game at all as I was out with my wife for our anniversary.
If we’d lost ANY of the previous 8 game’s we’d be in the same position so it’s nothing to cry about.
 

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Nerves and fatigue.

Perfect example of how to beat us. Defend deep and in numbers, waste time from the warm up to break the game up (if I had a pound for every time the ball was kicked away, I could buy Stoke), get in our faces and play a primarily long ball hoof game. Fair play to Stoke. They had a game plan and executed it perfectly. I’d hate to watch them play too often though.

We looked nervous and we looked knackered. Largely the same starting 11 every game since the lockdown. Thought we looked tired against PNE and today run up against a brick wall.

We should have had a pen. Blatant. However Lady Luck works both ways. No one complained when Fulham and WBA hit the cross bar against us.

Thought we lost the game in midfield and out wide today. Da Silva and Mbeumo (who are both young men) looked spent and Jensen looked clueless. Passing and movement was way too slow and it allowed Stoke to effectively set up 9 players behind the ball. Last 20 minutes we were crying for width and we kept trying to play through the middle.

Unfortunately it was a big match Brentford performance consistent with others (for me, Wigan in the plinky plonk cup in 1985 was the first). An amazing season and although we are all gutted we should be very proud of the season. And it isn’t over yet.
 

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We were tentative, slow on the ball and never found a rhythm or tempo. Thy pressed us high early on and we could not get out easily, that set the tone and we never really got going. They defended deep after the break and hung on for dear life to a poorly defended goal. Jensen never closed the man down on the edge of the area and Raya had to hold onto the shot or push it wider.
Norgaard was his normal self but the liittle triangles never came off and neither Jensen or Dasilva were an influence. BMW never had the right sort of service and created little for themselves.

The fact that it took over 70 minutes to win a corner and forced their keeper into only two saves tells its own tale and we wasted every set piece we had including a ludicrous foul throw.

We just weren't on it today and paid the price.
Excellent and accurate summary of how the game went. I guess the big question is, why ?
Nerves ? Fatigue ? Tactics ? Selection ? Subs ?
Lots for TF and the coaching staff to think about over the next 2 weeks. I’m confident they’ll work it out.
Also a lesson for many of us fans. We maybe forgot a bit about how bloody tough this league is.
 

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I think Stoke deserve some credit as they forced us to play their style of game. Not pretty, but we failed to impose our game on them. We only managee to make their keeper make three saves. By the same token they didn't make Raya work very hard, but we were unable to change the way that Stoke wanted the game played. So, maybe a tactical victory to their manager who has demonstrated, with Northern Ireland, in the past that he can make teams with limited ability compete successfully with more talented oposition.
 

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Nerves and fatigue were the main reason for today’s performance.

Second was a well drilled Stoke side who smothered the game effectively. Horrendous to watch , but it’s what you need to keep you from relegation and they did it well.
 

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I want to say its OK but it’s really not. I will bounce back tomorrow but today and this evening I feel numb. Lots of good reasons for it but right now all I can say is FFS. Nearly 60 years of watching my beloved Bees has led up to today and it effin hurts. Onto Wednesday but I bet I am not alone in thinking today was it, the chance. Long ball Cardiff await and we know what that will mean. Sorry to be down but the only other people who know how I feel are on this board so had to let it out here. As always and forever COYB
 

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I want to say its OK but it’s really not. I will bounce back tomorrow but today and this evening I feel numb. Lots of good reasons for it but right now all I can say is FFS. Nearly 60 years of watching my beloved Bees has led up to today and it effin hurts. Onto Wednesday but I bet I am not alone in thinking today was it, the chance. Long ball Cardiff await and we know what that will mean. Sorry to be down but the only other people who know how I feel are on this board so had to let it out here. As always and forever COYB
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I want to say its OK but it’s really not. I will bounce back tomorrow but today and this evening I feel numb. Lots of good reasons for it but right now all I can say is FFS. Nearly 60 years of watching my beloved Bees has led up to today and it effin hurts. Onto Wednesday but I bet I am not alone in thinking today was it, the chance. Long ball Cardiff await and we know what that will mean. Sorry to be down but the only other people who know how I feel are on this board so had to let it out here. As always and forever COYB
Me too. 55 years and counting. Looks like we have to do it the hard way!

It’s time the Playoff curse of the red and white stripes (31 failures) ends.
 

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Unfortunately when the opposition score first and 'bank up' we have no answer. It has been the same for several years now. The Plan from Preston, acknowledged by their Manager, was to go in front and then defend in numbers. Fortunately Brentford scored first in that game.
This has happened a few times this season, any team that sit deep with 11 behind the ball makes it impossible for us to counter attack at pace & we end up trying to pass our way through a brick wall, it also seems this forces us to play to feet & not into spaces because there isn't any. The only space is out wide but even using this just results in a cross that is easily cut out or blocked. Been said many times but we do find it difficult if the opposition don't want to play & it means we have to score early against these teams to force them to play higher up the pitch.
 

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This has happened a few times this season, any team that sit deep with 11 behind the ball makes it impossible for us to counter attack at pace & we end up trying to pass our way through a brick wall, it also seems this forces us to play to feet & not into spaces because there isn't any. The only space is out wide but even using this just results in a cross that is easily cut out or blocked. Been said many times but we do find it difficult if the opposition don't want to play & it means we have to score early against these teams to force them to play higher up the pitch.
Where we do miss a trick here is having a decent direct free kick specialist. That can be the difference between getting a win in those games where you can't get in behind them, but can win a free kick or two. Benrahma seems to be the go to man, but rarely hits the target. Brian and Emiliano get occasional opportunities. Barbet could occasionally strike one before this. No-one has come close to hitting the target regularly since Sammy Saunders!
 

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If Bryan's awkward header had gone in, which on another day it easily could have, and if Ethan's last minute shot had eluded the keeper we'd have been celebrating a 2-1 smash and grab. Didn't quite work today. Fine margins.
Still sick to death at the moment but Wednesday gives us another chance.
 

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If Bryan's awkward header had gone in, which on another day it easily could have, and if Ethan's last minute shot had eluded the keeper we'd have been celebrating a 2-1 smash and grab. Didn't quite work today. Fine margins.
Still sick to death at the moment but Wednesday gives us another chance.
Anything we got today wouldn't have been a smash and grab. We weren't up to our usual high standards but we had twice as much ball, made twice as many passes and had twice as many shots.
 

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Me too. 55 years and counting. Looks like we have to do it the hard way!

It’s time the Playoff curse of the red and white stripes (31 failures) ends.
As soon as I heard that feckin horrible dirge by by the sheep shagger as the teams came out I was sure it would end the same way as that play off final. I bloody hate these anti football teams but we must learn how to play against them if we are ever going to get anywhere.
Time and time again this happens and we don’t have an answer to it.
 

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I don’t have a report.
I’d just like to let out a long, haunting anguished howl if I may.

Hoooooooowwwwwwwllllllllllllllll.
 

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Anything we got today wouldn't have been a smash and grab. We weren't up to our usual high standards but we had twice as much ball, made twice as many passes and had twice as many shots.
I think you knew what I meant Les.
 

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Nerves and fatigue were the main reason for today’s performance.

Second was a well drilled Stoke side who smothered the game effectively. Horrendous to watch , but it’s what you need to keep you from relegation and they did it well.
And forest, Millwall abc Cardiff will do exactly the same in the playoffs....we have no answer to this style of football. Teams that do their homework always **** us over.
 

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Where we do miss a trick here is having a decent direct free kick specialist. That can be the difference between getting a win in those games where you can't get in behind them, but can win a free kick or two. Benrahma seems to be the go to man, but rarely hits the target. Brian and Emiliano get occasional opportunities. Barbet could occasionally strike one before this. No-one has come close to hitting the target regularly since Sammy Saunders!
Emiliano should be the man. He is a real specialist.
 

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We were not great but the officials have played a huge part in that result today, and I’m very bitter about it.
 

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This has happened a few times this season, any team that sit deep with 11 behind the ball makes it impossible for us to counter attack at pace & we end up trying to pass our way through a brick wall, it also seems this forces us to play to feet & not into spaces because there isn't any. The only space is out wide but even using this just results in a cross that is easily cut out or blocked. Been said many times but we do find it difficult if the opposition don't want to play & it means we have to score early against these teams to force them to play higher up the pitch.
Small margins. We have been scoring that early goal, and it has been crucial. Bryan had that chance today but it didn't go in. That's just the way it goes sometimes. This has been an incredible run and we have sometimes had the rub of the green, but not today. These sides are difficult, as you say, once they score first. Manchester City have just lost to Arsenal without scoring, with 110% possession, for god's sake!
 

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Where we do miss a trick here is having a decent direct free kick specialist. That can be the difference between getting a win in those games where you can't get in behind them, but can win a free kick or two. Benrahma seems to be the go to man, but rarely hits the target. Brian and Emiliano get occasional opportunities. Barbet could occasionally strike one before this. No-one has come close to hitting the target regularly since Sammy Saunders!
FloJo actually hit a few good free kicks, those flat ones that dip in. I think Marcondes came to the club with a good FK reputation, I would probably give him the responsibility now, although his were not great today
 

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And forest, Millwall abc Cardiff will do exactly the same in the playoffs....we have no answer to this style of football. Teams that do their homework always **** us over.
You are correct. However this has been the same for several seasons. Fatigue has nothing to do with it. We DO NOT have a plan against teams that A). Pump a long ball in the hope that their (mostly physically stronger) forwards will 'latch on' and B have eleven in defence, when leading. We MUST adapt to these styles or we will continue to be the 'bridesmaid'. and not the bride.
 

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This has happened a few times this season, any team that sit deep with 11 behind the ball makes it impossible for us to counter attack at pace & we end up trying to pass our way through a brick wall, it also seems this forces us to play to feet & not into spaces because there isn't any. The only space is out wide but even using this just results in a cross that is easily cut out or blocked. Been said many times but we do find it difficult if the opposition don't want to play & it means we have to score early against these teams to force them to play higher up the pitch.
Arsenal did it to man city and pep... it will happen and up to us to work out how best to overcome as it is with man city . Cardiff or notts Forest will adopt similar tactics
 

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Sadly yes. Can't see WBA losing to QPR and I fear the playoffs will end up the same as our previous attempts though I pray I am wrong. Trying to be positive but I fear seeing the best Brentford side I have seen in over 50 years (and for my dad 75years+) broken up in a few weeks. Please prove me wrong Bees.
 

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Like everyone else ,I was devastated yesterday .A whimpering 59 year old blubbing on the sofa at 2.30 to his wife , that they only had to not lose .

I'll try to be positive , but now I worry about the mental side of the playoffs , I worry about playing Cardiff or Notts Forest ,we can beat Fulham we always do
 

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Like everyone else ,I was devastated yesterday .A whimpering 59 year old blubbing on the sofa at 2.30 to his wife , that they only had to not lose .

I'll try to be positive , but now I worry about the mental side of the playoffs , I worry about playing Cardiff or Notts Forest ,we can beat Fulham we always do
and our best players leaving adds to my gloom
 

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The InfoGol app's league table Slope Graph puts Stoke's expected position based on performances as 4th!

They certainly a much better team than their league position implies and they, Leeds and Preston are the only teams to really blunt our attack all season.
 

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Struggling to feel in anyway positive about the play offs considering are painful history in them. As for Wednesday with the best will in the world QPR will get nothing at WBA who will be fired up for sure. Arguably the biggest game in our history or certainly the 40 odd years I have been going and we just didn’t really turn up. So disappointing 😞
 
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