Strengthening the Squad for a Promotion Push in January

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Too soon?

There's an undercurrent in quite a few of the player threads about the risk that we'll get big offers in January. Strongest seems to be the continuing interest in Mepham from Bournemouth and Leicester, plus the laughable idea that we'd sell Maupay for anything short of double the £10m Huddersfield are reputed to be thinking of offering.

How about the other side of the coin? As many have sagely noted, back in January 2015 when we were on track for a push into the top 2, rather than sitting back and considering offers for our newly emergent stars, the club was keen to bolster the squad. I think we'd do the same again this season.

Apart from the continuing search for a striker to back up and provide healthy competition to Maupay, who else might we need? Perhaps nobody given that we have Marcondes, Henry, Da Silva to become available by then.

There was an interesting suggestion from the clickbaity The72 site earlier naming three PL players who'd missed out on their club's 25 man squad who might be attractive to teams in the Championship. Two of them were eminently forgettable, but one which intrigued me was Andy King at Leicester who might be an interesting loan target as a goalscoring midfielder, still only 29 but with the experience of being an integral part of their team when it won L1, the Championship and the PL. One thing we lack a little is experience and maybe he might (if of the right sort of character) be a suitable candidate to stiffen the midfield (filling the Macleod/Yennaris role), add a few central midfield goals to the team and the nous to tie things together at the business end of the season. Fitness might be an issue having not played competitively for 6 months, but Leicester might not expect his full wage to be covered.

Any thoughts?
 

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Cannot see it. If he is not match fit why bother accommodating him, does not fit model, we can do better
 

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I think we will strengthen as we will be sitting between 5th and 8th IMO. This is our chance and i fear for the summer as the bigger clubs will come calling and a few years of re building could be ahead of us.

As for Jan out goings i cant see it.
 

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I don't think we'll spend big YET. I think we'll spend bigger every year though. This is the first year since we got in the Championship where i think we can say we should be a top 6 side. My bias hat off there are still a few of clubs who out gun us for automatics though in my opinion. with that in mind, I think we're better continuing our progressive model instead of doing what the big clubs do and try to buy it. I'm convinced we'll get there eventually.

We're a couple years away yet in my opinion, and i'm comfortable with that!
 

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If we are in the mix then I understand we will not sell first XI players (actually probably first XVIII players) and will strengthen. The message is out there.

Ignore any other contradictory posts. :)
 

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We will be in the mix but if bournemouth offer 20m + we will sell Mepham. Can’t see offers big enough for our other players apart from the best holding player in the league McEachran, where if JT is co-managing Villa then i can see a decent offer coming. He lives 3 mins down the road and are mates.
 

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We will be in the mix but if bournemouth offer 20m + we will sell Mepham. Can’t see offers big enough for our other players apart from the best holding player in the league McEachran, where if JT is co-managing Villa then i can see a decent offer coming. He lives 3 mins down the road and are mates.

Ok then, have it your way. Sigh.
 

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Soon quality footballers will be queuing up to pay us to let them play.:drinker:
 

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We will be in the mix but if bournemouth offer 20m + we will sell Mepham. Can’t see offers big enough for our other players apart from the best holding player in the league McEachran, where if JT is co-managing Villa then i can see a decent offer coming. He lives 3 mins down the road and are mates.
JT lives in Cobham doesn’t he and in programme a couple weeks ago it stated JM had lived in Oxford before recently moving to London is that 3 mins?
 
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It’s a no-brainer. Just like in January 2015 if we are in the mix the head coach will be allowed to strengthen significantly- and this time he won’t reject the offer.

Nobody major will be allowed to leave then and everything will be reviewed at the end of the season depending upon where we finish.
 

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If we do strengthen then they'll have to hit the ground running which makes me think they may have to have championship experience (or higher) given it usually takes a good few months for our foreign imports to make a mark
 

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JT lives in Cobham doesn’t he and in programme a couple weeks ago it stated JM had lived in Oxford before recently moving to London is that 3 mins?

JT lives in Oxshott and JM lives very near unless recently moved. My brother knows the road well and recognised it when JM was on football focus. Maybe the family home is in Oxford.

Also i doubt he was traveling daily from oxford to chelsea’s cobham training ground when most players live around or sw london.
 
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JT lives in Oxshott and JM lives very near unless recently moved. My brother knows the road well and recognised it when JM was on football focus. Maybe the family home is in Oxford.

Also i doubt he was traveling daily from oxford to chelsea’s cobham training ground when most players live around or sw london.

McEachran was born in Oxford and continued going to school in Woodstock after he'd signed for Chelsea, so it's possible he's decided to stick around since.

Oxford to SW London isn't that far at all really, I've been making the same trip for all home games for the past 4 years.
 

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JT lives in Cobham doesn’t he and in programme a couple weeks ago it stated JM had lived in Oxford before recently moving to London is that 3 mins?

Think JM lives in Virginia Water...no doubt on the Wentworth Estate somewhere.
 

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...great advert for google maps this thread...going back to the brief for a mo...finding an alternative...not replacement.... for NM..... i'd hazard a guess...is the main priority of the DOF's at the present time in order to strengthen the current squad in January....talk of selling our main assets in the forthcoming window has little or no foundation.
 

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Think JM lives in Virginia Water...no doubt on the Wentworth Estate somewhere.

I'm only going by the Josh interview in programme where he stated he recently moved to London from Oxford. I assume Josh knows where he lives more than me you and Malaga.
Although I suspect Malaga could easily be waiting outside his door every day doffing his cap to his hero.
 

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We will be in the mix but if bournemouth offer 20m + we will sell Mepham. Can’t see offers big enough for our other players apart from the best holding player in the league McEachran, where if JT is co-managing Villa then i can see a decent offer coming. He lives 3 mins down the road and are mates.

There are so many obviously wrong thing in this post that really let your keyboard warrior skills down.
 

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I'm only going by the Josh interview in programme where he stated he recently moved to London from Oxford. I assume Josh knows where he lives more than me you and Malaga.
Although I suspect Malaga could easily be waiting outside his door every day doffing his cap to his hero.

I stand corrected then, never read the article you cite. I was just told by someone very close that he owned property in Virginia Water so assumed he lived there.
 
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We will be in the mix but if bournemouth offer 20m + we will sell Mepham. Can’t see offers big enough for our other players apart from the best holding player in the league McEachran, where if JT is co-managing Villa then i can see a decent offer coming. He lives 3 mins down the road and are mates.

I thought JM would be off to Napoli ?
 

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If we are in the mix then I understand we will not sell first XI players (actually probably first XVIII players) and will strengthen. The message is out there.

Ignore any other contradictory posts. :)
Easy to say, but we live in a player dominated football world. If we refused to sell first XI players that have had their heads turned are determined to get away, we'd face the prospect of on field sulking and players deliberately kicking the ball the wrong way. :(
 

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Easy to say, but we live in a player dominated football world. If we refused to sell first XI players that have had their heads turned are determined to get away, we'd face the prospect of on field sulking and players deliberately kicking the ball the wrong way. :(

If we have a genuine chance of promotion which would be the requirement to to keep and spend more anyways then I'm sure (hopeful) the players would want to stick around or atleast understand us not wanting to sell them
 

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It’s a no-brainer. Just like in January 2015 if we are in the mix the head coach will be allowed to strengthen significantly- and this time he won’t reject the offer.

Nobody major will be allowed to leave then and everything will be reviewed at the end of the season depending upon where we finish.

This is exactly as I see it as well.
 

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Too soon?

There's an undercurrent in quite a few of the player threads about the risk that we'll get big offers in January. Strongest seems to be the continuing interest in Mepham from Bournemouth and Leicester, plus the laughable idea that we'd sell Maupay for anything short of double the £10m Huddersfield are reputed to be thinking of offering.

How about the other side of the coin? As many have sagely noted, back in January 2015 when we were on track for a push into the top 2, rather than sitting back and considering offers for our newly emergent stars, the club was keen to bolster the squad. I think we'd do the same again this season.

Apart from the continuing search for a striker to back up and provide healthy competition to Maupay, who else might we need? Perhaps nobody given that we have Marcondes, Henry, Da Silva to become available by then.

There was an interesting suggestion from the clickbaity The72 site earlier naming three PL players who'd missed out on their club's 25 man squad who might be attractive to teams in the Championship. Two of them were eminently forgettable, but one which intrigued me was Andy King at Leicester who might be an interesting loan target as a goalscoring midfielder, still only 29 but with the experience of being an integral part of their team when it won L1, the Championship and the PL. One thing we lack a little is experience and maybe he might (if of the right sort of character) be a suitable candidate to stiffen the midfield (filling the Macleod/Yennaris role), add a few central midfield goals to the team and the nous to tie things together at the business end of the season. Fitness might be an issue having not played competitively for 6 months, but Leicester might not expect his full wage to be covered.

Any thoughts?

I can see your working, trying to get more goals into the side from midfield but Andy King has about a 1% chance as profiling as a player we'd be interested in.
Loans are of little value to us anymore, the more minutes our own players play the more their value increases.
I get the feeling we'd be looking at a pacy striker / wide forward to come in around Jan and take the burden from Maupay and the other front 3. It's a grueling league and we're bound to have injuries and bans.
 

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Just another pointless thread saying we need another forward to back up to Maupay, can't we cover this in the other half a dozen players threads.
 
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I can see your working, trying to get more goals into the side from midfield but Andy King has about a 1% chance as profiling as a player we'd be interested in.
Loans are of little value to us anymore, the more minutes our own players play the more their value increases.
I get the feeling we'd be looking at a pacy striker / wide forward to come in around Jan and take the burden from Maupay and the other front 3. It's a grueling league and we're bound to have injuries and bans.

I agree he'd not be in the model for someone we'd buy and we certainly aren't going to loan anyone whose club would want a significant fee/full wage cover. I also agree that we'd normally want to develop our own players. The scenario I'm thinking of is one where Marcondes/Da Silva are not quite there yet and we want to bring in another option purely for the run in so that we are not reliant on a lot of players growing into their roles at a point when we could be challenging for top 2. We would still play them if they were performing, but it might relieve the pressure on them as well as be positive around the dressing room to have someone around who has achieved promotion from the division and won the PL from an unfancied club. Personality, ability to fit our way of playing and be fit enough to perform would be big factors in whether this was something the club decided on.

The other consideration is whether someone like that, even if he ticked our boxes for what might be useful for the second half of this season, would be interested in coming other than with the prospect of a transfer at the end of the season. But is that really out of the question, notwithstanding our model of recruiting young players who have a lot of development potential and profit?

The club might feel that having a little bit of PL experience in a central role would be useful in our first season up (cf Tommy Smith joining in our first season in this division) and that it would be easier to integrate them than doing what quite a few of the recently promoted clubs have done and going out to acquire most of a new first XI. Most of our first team are players that we and the club can see being capable of developing into PL players but being as they are very young even for a Championship squad, maybe having one older pro around who they've got to know before going up would help more than buying in 3-4 new guys who fit the model better but are in a price bracket above which we're experienced in recruiting. One of the lessons well learned since 15-16 is that there is a limit to how many new players we can absorb and get acclimatised in one go and that would be exacerbated by the fact that everyone in the club would be entering uncharted territory.

Whether King is up to this sort of leader/mentor role, I don't know, but I think there is probably some value to the club if it can find someone who is.
 

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We're a couple years away yet in my opinion, and i'm comfortable with that!

With all due respect, Matthew doesn’t see it that way, with the squad we have and performances, not necessarily points tally this season I believe our expectations are high.
 

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Just another pointless thread saying we need another forward to back up to Maupay, can't we cover this in the other half a dozen players threads.

We might lose Maupay in January, so possibly not only cover
We need a goalscoring midfielder who can tackle
faster full backs if Rico or Moses struggle for fitness
Yennaris,Josh Mac And McCloud are all nearing the end of their deals and if we got offers we may decide to take them.
 

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We might lose Maupay in January, so possibly not only cover
We need a goalscoring midfielder who can tackle
faster full backs if Rico or Moses struggle for fitness
Yennaris,Josh Mac And McCloud are all nearing the end of their deals and if we got offers we may decide to take them.

Some of those things would be nice but none of them constitute needs IMO. Current squad is perfectly capable of succeeding as is. For Maupay to leave in January would require our form to collapse and put us out of the promotion race, otherwise it won't happen.
 

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Mepham will one day be sold for £25m

He was valued at £20m in preseason and his value has only increased.

I dont think we will sell now.

Like a house, his value will increase more than the money in the bank
 

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Mepham will one day be sold for £25m

He was valued at £20m in preseason and his value has only increased.

I dont think we will sell now.

Like a house, his value will increase more than the money in the bank
Who,s going to email Pep and recommend he join the race.
 

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Some of those things would be nice but none of them constitute needs IMO. Current squad is perfectly capable of succeeding as is. For Maupay to leave in January would require our form to collapse and put us out of the promotion race, otherwise it won't happen.

Every player (and Manager) has his price
 

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JT lives in Oxshott and JM lives very near unless recently moved. My brother knows the road well and recognised it when JM was on football focus. Maybe the family home is in Oxford.

Also i doubt he was traveling daily from oxford to chelsea’s cobham training ground when most players live around or sw london.



When Josh joined us, he was living in a very nice place in Esher (Claremont area I believe). Invested his money well,
 

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Most importantly what is the club’s definition of ‘in the mix’?
 

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We've already strengthened ………...we've upgraded our head coach.
 

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The way the division looks today you could be a couple of points of top 6 and be lower half of table

Phil said something to this effect though. If you're 3 points of the playoffs and sitting in 7th, it's much more doable to make the leap than if you're 3 points off the playoffs in 12.

There just a lot more error involved in making predictions when it's 5/6 teams as opposed to 2
 

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Most importantly what is the club’s definition of ‘in the mix’?

Not sure it will be ‘top 6’ as some wr suggesting.... I remember Rasmus saying the club have a ‘true’ league table (can’t rememver the term for it), that they believe accounts for what the league should look like if you take random occurrences etc out of account.

Our league position will be a factor, but I could easily see us in 9th, but with a ‘true’ table that says we should be third based on all the indicators, and the club take that as meaning we are ‘in the mix’.
 

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Not sure it will be ‘top 6’ as some wr suggesting.... I remember Rasmus saying the club have a ‘true’ league table (can’t rememver the term for it), that they believe accounts for what the league should look like if you take random occurrences etc out of account.

Our league position will be a factor, but I could easily see us in 9th, but with a ‘true’ table that says we should be third based on all the indicators, and the club take that as meaning we are ‘in the mix’.

Exactly, one person's in the mix could be very different to another's which is why we see so much discussion if and when players are sold in Jan or players are not brought in. Obviously only those within close proximity of playing matters will really know. We could be in 6th, 5 points ahead of 7th place or we could be in 7th, 5 points adrift of 6th which are clearly two quite different versions of 'in the mix'.
 
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