Stuart Dallas

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How did Dallas play ?

A very good player for us, has progressed. Got his chance in the top flight
Yes he was better coming forward, still not surprising given the calibre of the opposition forwards. Dallas has done well for himself being re-invented as an attacking full-back and NI international, I liked him as a player here and despite his involvement in the Leeds over exuberant celebrations last season I wish the lad well.
 

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Leeds are better than half the teams in the Prem. They may lack some of the nous those perennial strugglers have but they will be fine.

The only problem they have is that they really are Bielsa's Leeds Utd. Everything about them including the player recruitment is Bielsa. When he does leave then it will be very hard to have continuity but I suppose they may be a much higher performing Prem team by that time.
 

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Leeds are better than half the teams in the Prem. They may lack some of the nous those perennial strugglers have but they will be fine.

The only problem they have is that they really are Bielsa's Leeds Utd. Everything about them including the player recruitment is Bielsa. When he does leave then it will be very hard to have continuity but I suppose they may be a much higher performing Prem team by that time.
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Leeds are better than half the teams in the Prem. They may lack some of the nous those perennial strugglers have but they will be fine.

The only problem they have is that they really are Bielsa's Leeds Utd. Everything about them including the player recruitment is Bielsa. When he does leave then it will be very hard to have continuity but I suppose they may be a much higher performing Prem team by that time.
Can't agree with this. Yes they are a good side but no they lack squad depth massively few injuries and they'll be found out. Bielsa has made some very ordinary players hard working and a unit once he leaves and he will they'll fall apart with the squad they currently have. They'll finish somewhere in n bottom 7 sides. Leeds fans obviously expecting too.half finish can't see it myself.
 

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Yes they are a good side but no they lack squad depth massively few injuries and they'll be found out.
I'm not so sure.

Otoh they have a small squad as you say, which will likely count against them as the season goes on.

Oto their tight bond should stand to them for the first half of the season (at least), where they'll be completely new opposition for 17 of the teams they'll face.

I think they'll finish top half, like Sheff U did last season.

Bielsa has made some very ordinary players hard working and a unit once he leaves and he will they'll fall apart with the squad they currently have. They'll finish somewhere in n bottom 7 sides. Leeds fans obviously expecting too.half finish can't see it myself.
"Very ordinary"/"hard working" players? That's surely a bit unfair since like eg Thomas Frank, Bielsa is clearly one of those (rare) coaches who can improve players - well the ones he likes at any rate!

And Stuart Dallas is clearly a top professional who has made the most of this, which is why in the course of 13 years his career has gone steadily upwards from:

Coagh United: Amateur;
Crusaders: Part-timer;
BFC/Northampton: Lge Two;
BFC: Lge One/Championship
Leeds: Championship/PL
Plus 40 NI caps incl. the Euro2016 Finals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Dallas

(He's also one of those rare players we've sold where the buying club arguably got the better of the bargain: 200 senior games for a bit over a million quid)
 

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I'm not so sure.



(He's also one of those rare players we've sold where the buying club arguably got the better of the bargain: 200 senior games for a bit over a million quid)

The one I never understood, was so good in the championship for us and when we are selling all kinds of players for massive amounts we let him go for 1M, made no sense at all. OK we only paid 10 grand apparantly but still, he shoukd have been 2-3 at that time at least. (3M back then was huge for us)
 

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A weird one, i feel like there was more to him leaving than simply his playing potential. Definitely looking back we should have been getting more than we got
 

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Biesla won't get relegated, so Leeds might if he goes. Here's hoping.
 

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The one I never understood, was so good in the championship for us and when we are selling all kinds of players for massive amounts we let him go for 1M, made no sense at all. OK we only paid 10 grand apparantly but still, he shoukd have been 2-3 at that time at least. (3M back then was huge for us)
Yes I agree - he had 2 years left on his contract, improving all the time, and was going to get a lot of exposure in the Euros the next summer. I can only assume we needed the money for FFP in case Andre Gray's sale didn't go through.
 

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A weird one, i feel like there was more to him leaving than simply his playing potential. Definitely looking back we should have been getting more than we got
I wonder if he was seen as one of the 'old guard' that was loyal to Warburton. Didn't Benham speak once how he found that period particularly uncomfortable in terms of his interactions with players?
 

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I wonder if he was seen as one of the 'old guard' that was loyal to Warburton. Didn't Benham speak once how he found that period particularly uncomfortable in terms of his interactions with players?
Yes thats my thinking although purely speculative. Think he was part of a certain clique of players who perhaps had alot of influence
 

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I wonder if he was seen as one of the 'old guard' that was loyal to Warburton. Didn't Benham speak once how he found that period particularly uncomfortable in terms of his interactions with players?
Possible I suppose, but considering he's had a number of managers at Leeds, and Bielsa is so demanding, the fact that's he's so settled would suggest he's not one of those players who's "high maintenance".
 

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Yes thats my thinking although purely speculative. Think he was part of a certain clique of players who perhaps had alot of influence
Yep - that's it.

In terms of value, I don't recall thinking it was bad business at the time - he's done better than I thought he would. One of those players who's main quality is ability to pretty decent at everything rather than excellent at one or two things.
 

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Possible I suppose, but considering he's had a number of managers at Leeds, and Bielsa is so demanding, the fact that's he's so settled would suggest he's not one of those players who's "high maintenance".
Sure, I agree he doesn't seem high maintenance. Just that there was possibly a desire to clear the decks of the old guard.
 

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In terms of value, I don't recall thinking it was bad business at the time - he's done better than I thought he would.
Agree on both.

One of those players who's main quality is ability to pretty decent at everything rather than excellent at one or two things.
Versatility is often underrated - who remembers Paul Madeley from the great Leeds teams of Bremner, Giles, Hunter, Clarke, Gray and Lorimer etc? Yet he played over 500 league games for them as well as gaining 24 England caps.

Meanwhile it appears from this in depth analysis that SD is indeed "pretty decent" at a lot of things, and a bit more than that at a few:
"Dallas has the exact qualities that Leeds United require. He is right-footed but he is comfortable playing with his left, which gives him more options when he is under pressure. Dallas’ natural style is that of a player who takes few touches and likes who plays it simple."
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/p...201920-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics


Maybe we didn't always appreciate the value of "keeping it simple" when comparing him with players with a more extravagant style?
 

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I wonder if he was seen as one of the 'old guard' that was loyal to Warburton. Didn't Benham speak once how he found that period particularly uncomfortable in terms of his interactions with players?
I understood he wanted a guaranteed first team spot which we were not prepared to guarantee. At that time he showed promise but not worth a guaranteed first eleven place.

Good business for us and he has made the most of his ability.
 

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I understood he wanted a guaranteed first team spot which we were not prepared to guarantee. At that time he showed promise but not worth a guaranteed first eleven place.

Good business for us and he has made the most of his ability.
That’s difficulty for a versatile player, being good enough at one position to make it your own. He’s ideal for Bielsa because he will play and do a job wherever he is asked and that is paramount for him.
 

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A weird one, i feel like there was more to him leaving than simply his playing potential. Definitely looking back we should have been getting more than we got
Him leaving - the Warburton factor.
 

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I wonder if he was seen as one of the 'old guard' that was loyal to Warburton. Didn't Benham speak once how he found that period particularly uncomfortable in terms of his interactions with players?
Lots of things happen that pre-season. I for one thankful for what MW did but others things I am less thankful for.
 

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Sure, I agree he doesn't seem high maintenance. Just that there was possibly a desire to clear the decks of the old guard.
I think he was quite close to Douglas and Judgey as part of the Irish fraternity so whilst not quite the 'Old guard' was certainly part of that clique. Nothing to suggest he was anything other than a total professional and that has been reflected in the continued upward trajectory of his career even in the turbulent la-la land of Leeds. I personally always rated him as a player even as a youngster before his loan to Northampton. Wish his every success in his future career.
 

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