General Summer 2022 Transfer Window (Brentford only)

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Exactly! His step up was even greater in terms of number of leagues that Twine's would be. If Twine ends up like Andre Gray, it would be nothing sort of a disaster
I think the jump from Conference to Championship 8-10 years ago was rather smaller than the jump from L1 to PL now. Even then Vardy only got 5 goals in his first PL season after two seasons in the Championship.

Most of us were quite concerned about how several of our experienced players would adjust to the PL. Quite a few still don’t rate some of them as being ultimately good enough. The stakes are high and while Twine, Johnson, Lewis Potter etc might go on to be PL stars, they also could easily not quite be up to it right now or maybe at all. Some, like Dele Alli do make the jump but then ultimately disappoint. If we buy one of them I’ll trust BFC’s expertise but I’m not going to be advocating for them just on the basis they’re young and have done well in the EFL.
 

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Another way to look at things…

Last summer we made three major signings: Ajer, Onyeka and Wissa. Knowing what we know now, would you do those deals again? Yes, Maybe/Probably and Yes. Kris and Wiss are certainly worth more than we paid; a ton more in the former case.

This summer we have more time, more certainty, more money and a stronger base. So it’s not unreasonable to think we’ll “trade up” within our proven model. Whilst I’m sure there will be a youngster with potential, maybe two, I’d have a decent bet that one or two of the signings will be established full internationals like Ajer.

Onwards and upwards.
 

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I think the jump from Conference to Championship 8-10 years ago was rather smaller than the jump from L1 to PL now. Even then Vardy only got 5 goals in his first PL season after two seasons in the Championship.

Most of us were quite concerned about how several of our experienced players would adjust to the PL. Quite a few still don’t rate some of them as being ultimately good enough. The stakes are high and while Twine, Johnson, Lewis Potter etc might go on to be PL stars, they also could easily not quite be up to it right now or maybe at all. Some, like Dele Alli do make the jump but then ultimately disappoint. If we buy one of them I’ll trust BFC’s expertise but I’m not going to be advocating for them just on the basis they’re young and have done well in the EFL.
But you could say that buying players from foreign leagues is just as much a risk as buying from high placed EFL teams. Even some of the most illustrious players have struggled in adapting to the game here.

I don't know what to expect from signings this summer, but if it's proven PL quality players you're looking for, that's hard, especially if we want to get in a certain number. I want us to spend too, but ball park these days for just 4 prem players would be at least 100 mill ( if you're lucky). I would argue Lewis Potter is exactly the sort of players we should be aiming for. Players who have something to prove, being young is a bonus too.

Besides, yes we've done superbly. But if you're a proven Prem player would you come to Bees so early in our Prem life, or wait to see how we do next season first?

It's just, you've got to be realistic in your expectations. I'd love to see Harvey Barnes at Bees, but that probably won't happen. Not just yet at least
 

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But you could say that buying players from foreign leagues is just as much a risk as buying from high placed EFL teams. Even some of the most illustrious players have struggled in adapting to the game here.

I don't know what to expect from signings this summer, but if it's proven PL quality players you're looking for, that's hard, especially if we want to get in a certain number. I want us to spend too, but ball park these days for just 4 prem players would be at least 100 mill ( if you're lucky). I would argue Lewis Potter is exactly the sort of players we should be aiming for. Players who have something to prove, being young is a bonus too.

Besides, yes we've done superbly. But if you're a proven Prem player would you come to Bees so early in our Prem life, or wait to see how we do next season first?

It's just, you've got to be realistic in your expectations. I'd love to see Harvey Barnes at Bees, but that probably won't happen. Not just yet at least
I had to spend a lot of Friday night explaining that no, Ross Barkley would not be a good signing for us.
 

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But you could say that buying players from foreign leagues is just as much a risk as buying from high placed EFL teams. Even some of the most illustrious players have struggled in adapting to the game here.

I don't know what to expect from signings this summer, but if it's proven PL quality players you're looking for, that's hard, especially if we want to get in a certain number. I want us to spend too, but ball park these days for just 4 prem players would be at least 100 mill ( if you're lucky). I would argue Lewis Potter is exactly the sort of players we should be aiming for. Players who have something to prove, being young is a bonus too.

Besides, yes we've done superbly. But if you're a proven Prem player would you come to Bees so early in our Prem life, or wait to see how we do next season first?

It's just, you've got to be realistic in your expectations. I'd love to see Harvey Barnes at Bees, but that probably won't happen. Not just yet at least
Nobody will be proven but if we’re going to spend £15-20m a player for 2-3 key men this summer they’re going to be high pedigree players with top experience (eg Ajer who iirc has more CL appearances than Twine has at L1) rather than punts on L1 players. But I can imagine BFC having spotted someone less obvious than Twine with the right stuff and making a small club happy by spending £2m. It’s telling I think that about 98% of the social media gossip regarding Twine is about which Championship club he’ll go to. If he were vaguely in our list, unless he’s already a done deal, our interest would be leading the press as his agent looks to see how much more Newcastle will offer.
 
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Nobody will be proven but if we’re going to spend £15-20m a player for 2-3 key men this summer they’re going to be high pedigree players with top experience (eg Ajer who iirc has more CL appearances than Twine has at L1) rather than punts on L1 players. But I can imagine BFC having spotted someone less obvious than Twine with the right stuff and making a small club happy by spending £2m. It’s telling I think that about 98% of the social media gossip regarding Twine is about which Championship club he’ll go to. If he were vaguely in our list, unless he’s already a done deal, our interest would be leading the press as his agent looks to see how much more Newcastle will offer.
But wouldn’t spending £2 mill on an unknown entity be as just as much as punt as Twine? Besides, now we’re a Prem club, smaller clubs will be demanding more than just £2 mill? Especially if they have to already be somewhat decent. I mean, Ivan was a league one player don’t forget.

in the end, whether we get Twine or not is hardly earth shattering 😂. But if it’s key men you’re after, £15 mill each? When you consider Onyenka was £9 mill and has had to settle mainly for the bench.
Yes, £15 mill for a RB is good. But it’s gonna cost ALOT more to find a player better than CN, VJ, let alone CE. I wouldn’t accept £15 mill for any of them!

guess it’s a question of how much you think your money will buy?
 

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But wouldn’t spending £2 mill on an unknown entity be as just as much as punt as Twine? Besides, now we’re a Prem club, smaller clubs will be demanding more than just £2 mill? Especially if they have to already be somewhat decent. I mean, Ivan was a league one player don’t forget.

in the end, whether we get Twine or not is hardly earth shattering 😂. But if it’s key men you’re after, £15 mill each? When you consider Onyenka was £9 mill and has had to settle mainly for the bench.
Yes, £15 mill for a RB is good. But it’s gonna cost ALOT more to find a player better than CN, VJ, let alone CE. I wouldn’t accept £15 mill for any of them!

guess it’s a question of how much you think your money will buy?
Unknown to others, known to BFC- like Vitaly. I’d expect Onyeka (who’s been injured a while but was a regular starter early season when we were doing well) and Wissa to improve next season. Assuming we don’t sell anyone who’s a core current player (Raya, CN, IT, EP) our first XI even excluding CE is good enough to stay up particularly after a season’s experience in the PL. New high price players either need to be able to slot in immediately in competition with them or have a realistic development path while playing for us. Players like Twine I think don’t fit either and there’s no point in spending £5-10m on someone who would need a season loan in the Championship. Someone less known for £2m who would be happy getting a bit less game time than say Roerslev has had but performing to his levels and getting from it the development to be pushing for regular starts in 23-24 after we do sell a star or two makes sense. But I think the mid ground of L1 star is largely now closed because those players aren’t cheap and will want to play while not being ready to step straight up.

Toney has done brilliantly for us but had we gone up against Fulham would we have seen him in 20-21 playing as he has for us? Or would coming off the bench as a sub for a team set up to play to Watkins’ strengths (and which had held onto him) against much tougher teams than he’d played against have developed him less well? We wanted him then but he’d have joined us then as a support striker.
 

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I imagine that the analysts and the recruitment team have learned a lot this season. Fewer assumptions about what the players we have may bring and more factual analysis on the relative strengths and weaknesses of individual players and the squad overall, plus honest discussions with individuals. I'd guess the focus since the end of January has been on what qualities of player are needed to enhance the overall quality, particularly in the weaker positions identified.

So, I'd assume the two streams of scouting and recruitment – that of 'early delivery' players who will have an increasing impact over the next season and 'for back-up and development' players that are higher risk but lower cost – will have honed the earlier target lists.

I'm sure we'll not be spraying money about on too many Football League hopefuls but on a focused few from the existing pipeline, quite probably ones that've not had a great deal of public airing, though.
 

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Top priority must be a back up goalkeeper,we saw what happened when Raya was injured.
The club may have too offer very attractive wages for a decent keeper from the Championship to keep him happy as the 2nd choice
 

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But you could say that buying players from foreign leagues is just as much a risk as buying from high placed EFL teams. Even some of the most illustrious players have struggled in adapting to the game here.

I don't know what to expect from signings this summer, but if it's proven PL quality players you're looking for, that's hard, especially if we want to get in a certain number. I want us to spend too, but ball park these days for just 4 prem players would be at least 100 mill ( if you're lucky). I would argue Lewis Potter is exactly the sort of players we should be aiming for. Players who have something to prove, being young is a bonus too.

Besides, yes we've done superbly. But if you're a proven Prem player would you come to Bees so early in our Prem life, or wait to see how we do next season first?

It's just, you've got to be realistic in your expectations. I'd love to see Harvey Barnes at Bees, but that probably won't happen. Not just yet at least
Our best signing isn't young and has nothing to prove. Would be happy with more world class players like Eriksen who raise standards across the board.
 

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Our best signing isn't young and has nothing to prove. Would be happy with more world class players like Eriksen who raise standards across the board.
Well, that's as all being well, however, players of Eriksen's age, and standard do not come cheap, and there is no resale value to balance the books. So whilst I cannot disagree with your sentiments its a no no for the present financial structure. Its as well to consider that it is this financial discipline that has taken the club from the lower reaches to the fringes of European competition!
 

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Well, that's as all being well, however, players of Eriksen's age, and standard do not come cheap, and there is no resale value to balance the books. So whilst I cannot disagree with your sentiments its a no no for the present financial structure. Its as well to consider that it is this financial discipline that has taken the club from the lower reaches to the fringes of European competition!
I'm aware of the club's model. The only reason we have reached the fringes this season is because we signed Eriksen.
 

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I'm aware of the club's model. The only reason we have reached the fringes this season is because we signed Eriksen.
Probably, but that's football. Opportunities always arise in all walks of life, Eriksen was such, and the club took it, however, a one off fortunate event does not mean we should change the system.
 

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Probably, but that's football. Opportunities always arise in all walks of life, Eriksen was such, and the club took it, however, a one off fortunate event does not mean we should change the system.
Not suggesting we should TadB.
But if Europe is our aim we may well need a blend of younger prospects and world class finished articles. Perhaps the model gets adapted to gamble for euro-dosh.
 

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Another way to look at things…

Last summer we made three major signings: Ajer, Onyeka and Wissa. Knowing what we know now, would you do those deals again? Yes, Maybe/Probably and Yes. Kris and Wiss are certainly worth more than we paid; a ton more in the former case.

This summer we have more time, more certainty, more money and a stronger base. So it’s not unreasonable to think we’ll “trade up” within our proven model. Whilst I’m sure there will be a youngster with potential, maybe two, I’d have a decent bet that one or two of the signings will be established full internationals like Ajer.

Onwards and upwards.
Do you think every signing we make is with immediate success in mind? Many players don't hit their best form until a season or two later? Someone like Onyeke may not hit his best form until next season for instance. At what point do you regret making a signing. Don't think your point adds up....
 

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Not suggesting we should TadB.
But if Europe is our aim we may well need a blend of younger prospects and world class finished articles. Perhaps the model gets adapted to gamble for euro-dosh.
As I said earlier I agree totally with your sentiments, but I cannot see us currently paying the big bucks that are required for World Class Finished articles. To repeat we have reached this stage in our journey through a measured, cautious approach, and at this stage I just cannot see reverting too gambling for any kind of Dosh. The journey we are on has not yet been completed, I know no not the final destination, but there is no doubt we are still travelling northwards so we will stick to the same road.
 

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Top priority must be a back up goalkeeper,we saw what happened when Raya was injured.
The club may have too offer very attractive wages for a decent keeper from the Championship to keep him happy as the 2nd choice
If there is one thing that really worries me about the summer, it’s getting an offer we can’t refuse for Raya. He’s so important to how we play. I’m sure we must be looking at a strong back up, just in case
 

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Do you think every signing we make is with immediate success in mind? Many players don't hit their best form until a season or two later? Someone like Onyeke may not hit his best form until next season for instance. At what point do you regret making a signing. Don't think your point adds up....
It used to be that we barely played signings for the first few months until they got used to the system. From memory even Benrahama didn’t come straight into the team. And nobody was quite sure about Maupay in his first season
 

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Our best signing isn't young and has nothing to prove. Would be happy with more world class players like Eriksen who raise standards across the board.
I agree with you of course, think we'd all be happy with more world class players! But if Eriksen is seen as the basis to which we measure all future signings, we gonna be very disappointed in the future!
 

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Well, that's as all being well, however, players of Eriksen's age, and standard do not come cheap, and there is no resale value to balance the books. So whilst I cannot disagree with your sentiments its a no no for the present financial structure. Its as well to consider that it is this financial discipline that has taken the club from the lower reaches to the fringes of European competition!
I tend to agree with your comments but we need to think that one or two experienced players like Christian could help us as a club developer the younger players .They also should help us stay up,in the Premiership
 

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I agree with you of course, think we'd all be happy with more world class players! But if Eriksen is seen as the basis to which we measure all future signings, we gonna be very disappointed in the future!
Eriksen (and Jansson) were 'bluebird' signings – not players we worked through our normal recruitment methodology but opportunities that came out of the blue and our short decision-making chain, that can make swift risk assessments, enabled us to get them done to everyone's satisfaction. There may be others that come our way but you can't plan for them and you can't expect them.
 

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Eriksen (and Jansson) were 'bluebird' signings – not players we worked through our normal recruitment methodology but opportunities that came out of the blue and our short decision-making chain, that can make swift risk assessments, enabled us to get them done to everyone's satisfaction. There may be others that come our way but you can't plan for them and you can't expect them.
NO-ONE expects the Scandinavian acquisition!
 

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I tend to agree with your comments but we need to think that one or two experienced players like Christian could help us as a club developer the younger players .They also should help us stay up,in the Premiership
I cannot disagree with your comments, however, we are all on a fantastic journey, and I am not sure that we have as yet reached the point where we can sign two players like CE. What we need is patience because if we continue as we are we may eventually reach the point where we will sign such players. Perhaps this summer if we are lucky a couple more like Ajer, and one or two who will require time to develop.
 

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Apparently we're interested in both Lewis-Potter and Jacob Greaves from Hull. Must admit, I don't know anything about Greaves. But's he played virtually all their games this season. Perhaps an upgrade on Goode?
 

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Apparently we're interested in both Lewis-Potter and Jacob Greaves from Hull. Must admit, I don't know anything about Greaves. But's he played virtually all their games this season. Perhaps an upgrade on Goode?
Greaves has recently publicly stated his willingness to (100%) sign a new contract at Hull, so this could be his agent recycling some old (unsubstantiated) January rumour linking him with us to force Alicali's hand.
 

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Comes from a reputable source in an Italian national paper. Will be interesting to see how this one materialises
 

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It used to be that we barely played signings for the first few months until they got used to the system. From memory even Benrahama didn’t come straight into the team. And nobody was quite sure about Maupay in his first season
To be fair every season he was with us Benrahma barely touched a ball in August…
 

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I mentioned it earlier in the season but as we approach the end of the season, worth revisiting.

With Chelsea having an uncertain future ahead post RA, I wonder if we will be in for any more of their U23s after signing MPH last year.

Xavier Simons (ex Brentford), Jude Soonsup-Bell, Harvey Vale and Lewis Hall were all in their EFL Cup squad for the game against us back in December but will be very unlikely to get a chance in the PL next season.

We could offer them a pathway to regular football at the top level just a few miles away from where they are currently.
 

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I mentioned it earlier in the season but as we approach the end of the season, worth revisiting.

With Chelsea having an uncertain future ahead post RA, I wonder if we will be in for any more of their U23s after signing MPH last year.

Xavier Simons (ex Brentford), Jude Soonsup-Bell, Harvey Vale and Lewis Hall were all in their EFL Cup squad for the game against us back in December but will be very unlikely to get a chance in the PL next season.

We could offer them a pathway to regular football at the top level just a few miles away from where they are currently.
They’re good talents however I doubt we could attract them. They’ve all started more games for Chelsea this season than MPH, or any B team player for that matter, has for us.
 

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What about Ben Foster from Watford? Leaving at the end of the season, would be good back up to Raya
Hes definitely worse than Alvaro.

We are going to be signing players with a point to prove, looking to progress their career and our team (Pontus and Eriksen fell into that category too btw). Not washed up, past-their-sell-by-date wage collectors.
 

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Hes definitely worse than Alvaro.

We are going to be signing players with a point to prove, looking to progress their career and our team (Pontus and Eriksen fell into that category too btw). Not washed up, past-their-sell-by-date wage collectors.
If his head’s not completely gone I still think Loris Karius would be a good back up well within budget on wages, free transfer and only 28.
 

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I do think that we've been a bit unfair to Alvaro - he was stuck in the net during the team's absolute lowest point of the season. He didn't look great, but no one did. xG measurements suggest that he saved more than his fair share of shots. He's clearly a good shot-stopper, but needs to learn the command of the area. Only 24 years old. I think that the team has high hopes for Matthew Cox as well, but I think Alvaro isn't a bad choice for back up and could even start on a handful of teams in the Premier league, or the La Liga if he wanted to go back to Spain.
 

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I do think that we've been a bit unfair to Alvaro - he was stuck in the net during the team's absolute lowest point of the season. He didn't look great, but no one did. xG measurements suggest that he saved more than his fair share of shots. He's clearly a good shot-stopper, but needs to learn the command of the area. Only 24 years old. I think that the team has high hopes for Matthew Cox as well, but I think Alvaro isn't a bad choice for back up and could even start on a handful of teams in the Premier league, or the La Liga if he wanted to go back to Spain.
I honestly think there is very little chance of us taking up the offer to buy Alvaro. There are better keepers for the sort of money he would go for.
 

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I honestly think there is very little chance of us taking up the offer to buy Alvaro. There are better keepers for the sort of money he would go for.
Do we know what the option price is?
 

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Hes definitely worse than Alvaro.

We are going to be signing players with a point to prove, looking to progress their career and our team (Pontus and Eriksen fell into that category too btw). Not washed up, past-their-sell-by-date wage collectors.
Lossl?
 

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