Super Bees v Seagulls...updates...

[sonofabee]

If you are really objective about the game,then Button did not have a lot to do from Brighton attacks. It is just that the very few chances they had, they took. We had far more possession, but did not make any incisive impact in their penalty area.

The real priority for us is to tighten up defensively, and that has been an issue for all of this season, and for those with rose-tinted spectacles, most of last season as well.

We have been scoring a lot of goals overall, but we need to learn that successful Championship teams are pretty tough and ugly when defending. They commit more fouls, and are always in the refs/ other officials face, as Brighton and Hughton were tonight.
We are just too "nice" in managing the ref in all our games.

Judge being upended was a penalty, but we just took the ref's decision passively.

The fact is that we are having our 2nd most successful season in 60 years.
Last season, and probably again this season, we will do better than the other teams promoted from League 1 in 2013/14 and 2014/15.
We are the 30th most successful club in English and Welsh football.
We are also performing better than 2 clubs relegated from the Premiership over the last 2 seasons - Fulham, QPR!

I can't imagine what people would write on here, if this was our 2nd worst season in 60 years!

You're right but I hope this season doesn't peter out and we settle for 52 points? At the moment 70% possession and still losing the game because no decent forwards is scary?

 

[BerksBee]

That's nonsense, did you not see Vibe try to shoulder the ball in from the corner first half, did you not notice that Judge our attacking midfielder had two great chances that a natural forward like Gray would have taken.

That would be the Gray that misses more than he scores would it?

If you recall, I said 'clear cut chances' not half chances.

Our service to the lone forward has been poor most of the season and virtually non-existent against the better sides.

 

[sonofabee]

That would be the Gray that misses more than he scores would it?

If you recall, I said 'clear cut chances' not half chances.

Our service to the lone forward has been poor most of the season and virtually non-existent to the better sides.

Go away

 

[jlove]

It was tactically inept; even driving down we were saying that Hughton's teams defend deep and play like the away side at home, so the usual way of playing with the usual players playing it would not work... and it didn't. We sort-of expected something different but it was same old, same old. They let us play the ball around in our half and it all looked pretty but, once we got into their final third, there was a five and a four a lot of the time and our player receiving the ball had two players on him immediately - one to tackle and the other to pick up the ball and hoist it forward with speed and purpose.

This meant that it became impossible to pass to an unmarked player and we dithered, took too many touches and slowed to walking pace. Their first goal was a prime example: Saunders fannying about, loses the ball and whosh, too many of our players caught in the middle as their speedy ones were away with the ball. Hughton mugged Smith off and we walked right into it. It was not helped by our 'star' players having collective nightmare games. Sam contributed nothing positive, Mr Reliable Bidwell had a mare; did he actually tackle anyone? Judge was marked out of the game; at one point he was the only Brentford outfield player in our half! Woods couldn't keep possession once he crossed the halfway line; Colin got turned inside out. McEachran knicked the ball quite a few times and used it well; he spotted their runner at the free kick but got beaten all ends up and let the player cross while Jake watched on. The four defenders looked like they had only met this morning, although both Dean and Barbet did some really good defending, they also did some poor things.

Somebody had got to tell our players it's all right to tackle, that seems to be a legacy of last season. We need a few players with speed and power and we need an organiser, let's hope we can find some.

 

[BerksBee]

If you are really objective about the game,then Button did not have a lot to do from Brighton attacks.

I'm not sure I agree.

He really should have done better for the first goal, that's a shot he really should have saved, he's kept out far better shots than that this season. Granted he was slightly unsighted through a number of legs, but he still should have done better. Second and third not much he could do about but the damage by then was done.

Not one of Butt's best games in my mind.

 

[sonofabee]

It was tactically inept; even driving down we were saying that Hughton's teams defend deep and play like the away side at home, so the usual way of playing with the usual players playing it would not work... and it didn't. We sort-of expected something different but it was same old, same old. They let us play the ball around in our half and it all looked pretty but, once we got into their final third, there was a five and a four a lot of the time and our player receiving the ball had two players on him immediately - one to tackle and the other to pick up the ball and hoist it forward with speed and purpose.

This meant that it became impossible to pass to an unmarked player and we dithered, took too many touches and slowed to walking pace. Their first goal was a prime example: Saunders fannying about, loses the ball and whosh, too many of our players caught in the middle as their speedy ones were away with the ball. Hughton mugged Smith off and we walked right into it. It was not helped by our 'star' players having collective nightmare games. Sam contributed nothing positive, Mr Reliable Bidwell had a mare; did he actually tackle anyone? Judge was marked out of the game; at one point he was the only Brentford outfield player in our half! Woods couldn't keep possession once he crossed the halfway line; Colin got turned inside out. McEachran knicked the ball quite a few times and used it well; he spotted their runner at the free kick but got beaten all ends up and let the player cross while Jake watched on. The four defenders looked like they had only met this morning, although both Dean and Barbet did some really good defending, they also did some poor things.

Somebody had got to tell our players it's all right to tackle, that seems to be a legacy of last year. We need a few players with speed and power and we need an organiser, let's hope we can find some.

Your last paragraph is the crux of the matter, excluding Harlee, Barbet and Jake, the rest of the team comprised lightweight, little, non tackling footballers with very little experience and the blend is wrong.
We'll be ok and sure we'll strengthen close season but hate to get drawn into a relegation battle

 

[BerksBee]

Hughton mugged Smith off and we walked right into it.

Absolutely spot on and essentially what I said (but more eloquently) earlier in the thread.

But it isn't just Houghton, a lot of the stronger, higher than us sides have used the same tactics against us and have been successful doing it.

It's what makes me believe Smith is naive and tactically inept at this level.

 

[BerksBee]

Go away

The usual response of someone who can't construct a cohesive and coherent point of view.

 

[BFC1997]

Absolutely spot on and essentially what I said (but more eloquently) earlier in the thread.

But it isn't just Houghton, a lot of the stronger, higher than us sides have used the same tactics against us and have been successful doing it.

It's what makes me believe Smith is naive and tactically inept at this level.

Perhaps our team just gets found out by better teams, and there's not a lot Smith can really do about that given he's not built the squad

 

[BerksBee]

Perhaps our team just gets found out by better teams, and there's not a lot Smith can really do about that given he's not built the squad

Stronger sides generally have better quality players, are stronger defensively, harder to break down and more organised. That's certainly been the case with all the top 6 or 8 sides we've played so far this season. We play an expansive, attacking, possession based, passing game that simply doesn't work against these sides. We simply don't have the quality of players that can play with the tempo and skill that can unlock and break down these defences. So what do we do? Carry on playing the same way against them! It's madness and fails every time!

The only thing I can think of, is that Smith's been told by the hierarchy to play that way come what may. Because anyone with half a braincell would modify our game plan and tactics according to the strength of the side we're playing against and if we can't break down strong defences, we make sure we don't concede goals.

 

[Edmundo]

I reckon if you swapped Saunders for It's A Knockout, we'd have murdered them. They can afford him and we can't. But this isn't Smith's fault, or Benham's fault. In fact it's a blooming miracle that we are as good as we are and we can thank Benham's money and his approach to how it's spent for that. Anyone who doesn't recognise that hasn't been paying attention. Obviously that includes the Sky commentators, who are far too lazy to inform themselves and just spout clichés and platitudes.

 

[NW USA Bee]

Errrr, possession with nothing to show for It equals huff and puff

Where did you observe this 'huff and puff'?

 

[bees1984]

Wanderer Paul you really sum this chat room up a Brentford fan umm I beg to differ if you are take a look at this It's getting worse tell me otherwise yeah you probably will and your minions on here will back you up we are We have been since the start of season if it wasn't for Carsley we would be bo laxed but hey ho I know f all I'm just a paying numpty for 35 years what a dick I am!!

Brush that chip off your shoulder bud and carry on supporting

 

[brundallbee]

An entertaining 29 pages, made the correct decision not to go to the match and the further correct decision to go to bed at half time - except that I am now wide awake at 4.30am typing this and waiting for the cricket to start.

Think we have to accept what we are at present, an average mid-table team. We can, and often do, beat teams in the lower half of the table but we struggle against, and usually lose to, successful teams. We haven't replaced Pritchard, Douglas, Jota, Gray with equally effective players and our performances have suffered and will continue to suffer because of it.

I hope Dean Smith gets the players he needs for next season and that he is capable of utilising them, i'm not yet convinced but he certainly hasn't had either the time or ammunition yet. I also wonder if the stats based approach includes an appreciation of a potential target's mental aptitude/will to win (do they possess gonads?), what proportion of their pass completion rate is forward as opposed to sideways or backwards and do they have real pace as they appear to me to be our more obvious player weaknesses at the moment. Can't comment on the tactics as i'm not qualified to do so but wonder if they are organisation imposed rather than manager led and if so it must be very difficult for a manager in that situation.

I am a supporter of over 50 years, am neither rose tinted nor negative and I do attend the vast majority of games home & away so am not influenced by either Sky or Beesplayer and have to say I find some of the comments on here naively extreme, on both sides of the fence.

I am grateful to be in this division, and to MB for making it possible. I think it is the most exciting in the world, and dread to think of us not being part of it it but we all make mistakes and the tricks is, as a certain former manager continually reminded us, is to learn from them.

 

[Banana]

Morning all. Hope you've all sobered up. I know it's an emotional sport but could we please stop all the naughty behaviour on here. Including stating that stating opinions on here isn't allowed or that one gets "shot down" or offering to meet people face to face for a sort out etc

If behaviour doesn't improve then some Gpg members will have to familiarise themselves with Twitter soon

 

[Banana]

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