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I agree the players look to be good enough, even including the younger, squad players.

But that's only the half of it (imo). It remains to be seen whether they're also also what I call "battle-hardened" i.e. physically and mentally tough enough to keep it up for a whole season, including spells when things are going against them.

I've no doubt that the senior players will cope, but if we sustained 3 or 4 long-term injuries to key players, could their replacements from the fringe of the squad be relied upon over a run of 15, 20 or 25 games? (Eg Forss for Toney)

All that said, I've no doubt the people at the club are far more aware of this than I'll ever know, and presumably will be planning for the possibility of getting tested in that way, should the need arise. :sorted:
Fully agree, we appear to be able to manage as we are but further injuries especially to players like Toney or Henry will really test us. Inexperienced younger players like Bidstrup have huge potential, and have done well when called upon, but you would not want to be put in the position of having to start him week in week out at this point in his development. If we are relatively lucky with injuries over the season we will do well, if not it could get hairy.
 

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Brighton are 4th
I'd wondered about them, except that their league positions after each game have been:
8th, 4th, 8th, 6th, 4th, 6th, 6th, 4th = 5.75 average. They were 8th when Bees played them, the 3 points getting then up to 6th.

Or am I misunderstanding SKY's "average position of opponents this season"? :unsure:
 
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I'd wondered about them, except that their league positions after each game have been:
8th, 4th, 8th, 6th, 4th, 6th, 6th, 4th = 5.75 average. They were 8th when Bees played them, the 3 points getting then up to 6th.

Or am I misreading SKY's "average position of opponents this season"? :unsure:
I think they mean average current position rather than average position at time game was played. It makes more sense to do so as what was the position of Arsenal before kick off on 13/8? Top on alphabetical order?

Though after 8 games positions still not that meaningful.
 

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I think they mean average current position rather than average position at time game was played. It makes more sense to do so as what was the position of Arsenal before kick off on 13/8? Top on alphabetical order?
But I listed their positions AFTER each game, so that after losing to Brentford on 13/8, Arsenal were nominally 17th.
Though after 8 games positions still not that meaningful.
Well there's that, too! :LOL:

I guess SKY have to fill their website somehow.
 

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I think they mean average current position rather than average position at time game was played. It makes more sense to do so as what was the position of Arsenal before kick off on 13/8? Top on alphabetical order?

Though after 8 games positions still not that meaningful.

Yep, they've taken the current position of everyone we've played so far (1st, 2nd, 4th, 7th, 10th, 12th and 13th and 14th) and averaged them, which comes out at 7.875.

So Norwich's much talked about nightmare fixtures start turned out to be easier than ours!!
 

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Yep, they've taken the current position of everyone we've played so far (1st, 2nd, 4th, 7th, 10th, 12th and 13th and 14th) and averaged them, which comes out at 7.875.

So Norwich's much talked about nightmare fixtures start turned out to be easier than ours!!
My own personal supercomputer's league table based on the relative opposition strength goes like this

Chelsea
Liverpool
Spurs
Man City
Man Utd
West Ham
Brighton
Brentford
Everton
Arsenal
Wolves
Leicester
Palace
Aston Villa
Soton
Leeds
Watford
Norwich
Newcastle
Burnley[

Not too shabby
 

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At the moment, I am constantly surprised and impressed every time I see us play. I don't know when I'll be able to feel the very consistent performances we've put in so far this season have become the norm.
:imwith:

Absolutely ... I still find myself nervously looking down the opposition team sheet, but then at the end of the game having to pinch myself to realise that we've gone toe to toe with football's elite.
 

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I previously thought that any points we got from this sequence of four would be a bonus, indicating how we’ll get on. So far, it’s 4 from 3, so even losing on Sunday gives a point per game, with an upside of almost 2 per game. As others have posted, it’s the next 3 that we should be targeting 9 that will see our projection more clearly.
 
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Just looking at the fixtures we’re playing nearly all the top teams at home in the first half of the season, which is going to make second half harder. Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U and City all at home first time round.
 

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Just looking at the fixtures we’re playing nearly all the top teams at home in the first half of the season, which is going to make second half harder. Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U and City all at home first time round.
The good news then is we must be playing the easy clubs at home second half!
 

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Just looking at the fixtures we’re playing nearly all the top teams at home in the first half of the season, which is going to make second half harder. Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U and City all at home first time round.
Well possibly yes, but so far our away results are better than at home. 2 wins and 2 draws and whilst we haven't played Liverpool or Chelsea it is true, we have played and beaten West Ham and Wolves, both mid to higher mid table teams and we drawn with Villa as well, which is a good result. None of these are too shabby. The reality is that our expectations from certainly the top 3 (Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City) is that we will lose both home and away and anything else is a bonus. We really just discount these games and concentrate on the rest, so home or away really makes no difference to our expectations. All the teams we have played away we can expect to have more than a fighting chance of getting points at home when we play them. Again no complacency, all are difficult games.
 

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Well possibly yes, but so far our away results are better than at home. 2 wins and 2 draws and whilst we haven't played Liverpool or Chelsea it is true, we have played and beaten West Ham and Wolves, both mid to higher mid table teams and we drawn with Villa as well, which is a good result. None of these are too shabby. The reality is that our expectations from certainly the top 3 (Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City) is that we will lose both home and away and anything else is a bonus. We really just discount these games and concentrate on the rest, so home or away really makes no difference to our expectations. All the teams we have played away we can expect to have more than a fighting chance of getting points at home when we play them. Again no complacency, all are difficult games.
Yes and no. Yes in terms of my expectations as a fan I agree that games against Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City are a free hit. But no, that’s not how the club is approaching those games, which is why we’ve played so well against Liverpool and Chelsea and might even be a little disappointed to have “only” got one point from them. Compare how Norwich pretty openly said they expected nothing from their starting run against those three and got leathered.

Interesting how you omitted Man U. From their lack of defence I’d fancy us to get something against them!
 
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Leeds -4
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Newcastle -6
Burnley -7

Great week for Watford who were the only side to get a ‘positive’ result.
 
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I‘ve possibly flattered Villa by originally rating them in the 7th-10th group. They’d currently be minus 2.
 

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I‘ve possibly flattered Villa by originally rating them in the 7th-10th group. They’d currently be minus 2.
Yes tracking villa and possibly Everton more relevant than Brighton who will continue pushing for a European place
 
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No need to panic
 
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Bottom three are going to have to go some to reach 40 points. However, Burnley always seem to improve in the second half of the season and Newcastle will try to buy their way out of trouble in January.
 
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We’ve now had three wins and a draw against the four teams I ranked 7-10 at the start of the season.
 

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For comparison, this is how the bottom half looked after matchweek 13 last season:

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The bottom three by this stage were the ones to go down.

Everyone above Brighton on 11 points ended up relatively comfortable in the table.
 
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No team gained ‘against par’ this weekend.
 

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I've set my dial back to "optimistic mode". I'll be cheering for Newcastle against Leicester tomorrow. Europe had better get ready for an invasion of Bees.
 

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Newcastle have still not played Man City, Liverpool or Leicester. Must be doomed.
 
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Good week for Palace who were the only side to improve their score. Watford were the only side to drop.
 

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Good week for Palace who were the only side to improve their score. Watford were the only side to drop.
You're going to have to add Everton and Villa....
 
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You're going to have to add Everton and Villa....
I probably should but it would mean recalculating everything from the start of the season and knowing who to swap them out for. Wolves and Brighton? (or us?!)
If one or both are still in trouble at the end of January I’ll have to change it.
 

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I probably should but it would mean recalculating everything from the start of the season and knowing who to swap them out for. Wolves and Brighton? (or us?!)
If one or both are still in trouble at the end of January I’ll have to change it.

If it helps, here's my "science". Albeit it with a target of 39...


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We’ve now (exactly half way through the season):

- Matched Sheffield United’s entire points tally from last season (and exceeded that of Norwich the season before, and Huddersfield the season before that).

- Exceeded the number of wins achieved by Fulham and West Brom last season
 

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The fantastic news is the double-whammy effect: not only are we comfortably ahead of where we “need” to be, but the bottom three (arguably four with the Tinkerman at the Hornets’ defensive helm) are miles behind a par score. Happy days 😊
 

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The Guardian's view:

Brentford look safe for second half of the season

Brentford can be delighted with the first half of their Premier League bow. After 19 games they are 12th with 23 points and, even though there is plenty of football to be played, you would struggle to find a single onlooker who believes they will not secure another season in the top flight. That said, the victory over Aston Villa felt crucial given they had only won two games in their previous 11. It was earned through sheer grit and Thomas Frank had a fair point when he said afterwards that only Leeds have suffered comparable injury woes. Promoted sides often wilt when the ravages of the winter begin to kick in but Brentford, who dazzled with their flowing football in the Championship but have shown different sides to their game in the Premier League, have displayed the mentality of giants to pull through and prove doubters wrong.
 

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"have displayed the mentality of giants"
God, i love this line.
To go with Paul Whitehouse's "Coming at you like bastards" and Ben Chilwell's "Gates of Hell".

This has the makings of an Honours Board. :sorted:
 

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The Guardian's view:

Brentford look safe for second half of the season

Brentford can be delighted with the first half of their Premier League bow. After 19 games they are 12th with 23 points and, even though there is plenty of football to be played, you would struggle to find a single onlooker who believes they will not secure another season in the top flight. That said, the victory over Aston Villa felt crucial given they had only won two games in their previous 11. It was earned through sheer grit and Thomas Frank had a fair point when he said afterwards that only Leeds have suffered comparable injury woes. Promoted sides often wilt when the ravages of the winter begin to kick in but Brentford, who dazzled with their flowing football in the Championship but have shown different sides to their game in the Premier League, have displayed the mentality of giants to pull through and prove doubters wrong.
Thanks for posting that. It’s a good article all round: I didn’t realise Burnley are losing Cornet to the ACON. That’s a huge loss for them in Jan.

 
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