'Taking one for the team'. Should we be more cynical ?

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It's really funny seeing some of you whince or say oh Dalsgaard was a dodgy one. Not here to make friends winning is what we need to do. If it means a few not so nice tackles then so be it. I love seeing Janelt play because he is so aggressive in the tackle.
It's all good play nice football but we get bullied. Good to see our darker side yesterday. Christ teams have been doing to us for years how many players have we lost for knocks or injuries.
I hope that if we play Newcastle again soon (let's hope we're not passing in different directions, as that'll mean Putney have got off the hook) I hope that someone knackers Shelvey.
 

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I hope that if we play Newcastle again soon (let's hope we're not passing in different directions, as that'll mean Putney have got off the hook) that someone knackers Shelvey.
Apparently it was Joelinton who did Christian.....
 

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Ok, so you are calling HD a dickhead are you?
I blame his missus for cutting down on his meat. He got turned by the defender ran after him and brought him down. It was nothing to do with black arts. It was nothing to do with stopping an attack. It was petulant. I'm sure he was pretty sick that he hurt the bloke but in this instance yes he was a dickhead.
 

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I hate that Dalsgaard tackle. Horrible, dangerous and of absolutely no benefit to our team whatsoever.

It's not a red but I would rather see the rules changed and that kind of thing clamped down on than us doing it every week. I would also say that even in a climate of constant cynical fouling it was particularly blatant as was another by Canos. I hope we don't fall into a trap of overcompensating for a perceived weakness and end up getting a lot of silly cards.
 

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I hate that Dalsgaard tackle. Horrible, dangerous and of absolutely no benefit to our team whatsoever.

It's not a red but I would rather see the rules changed and that kind of thing clamped down on than us doing it every week. I would also say that even in a climate of constant cynical fouling it was particularly blatant as was another by Canos. I hope we don't fall into a trap of overcompensating for a perceived weakness and end up getting a lot of silly cards.
Agreed.
Need to be a bit more 'selective' with this type of thing.....
 
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I blame his missus for cutting down on his meat. He got turned by the defender ran after him and brought him down. It was nothing to do with black arts. It was nothing to do with stopping an attack. It was petulant. I'm sure he was pretty sick that he hurt the bloke but in this instance yes he was a dickhead.
Got to say, Hendrik did very well indeed to recover being turned by the Wed player to track back so fast to take him out. Well played. :judge:
 

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Truth is the referees have not protected us all season...it is as if there is a mandate to let thuggery beat the bueatiful game...no way will we go up unless we join in...so if you can’t beat them...join them...
 

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Never a red I’ve seen them and worse on bees players when we’re breaking away 50+ times occasionaly receive a yellow but sometimes go unpunished
The art of stopping the opposition with cynical fouls,diving,timewasting,working the ref is essential these days as all the other teams are doing it
 

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It's not a red but I would rather see the rules changed and that kind of thing clamped down on than us doing it every week. I would also say that even in a climate of constant cynical fouling it was particularly blatant as was another by Canos. I hope we don't fall into a trap of overcompensating for a perceived weakness and end up getting a lot of silly cards.
Absolutely, but having watched us come a cropper to it 20-30 times in the past 7 years we know refs have no interest in stopping it.

I am sure the people turning on their own players on this thread are the first to moan when we let two soft goals in and throw a game away.

All teams do it, until refs grow some balls we need to react and get with the program or we could go on missing out for many years

Anyone who thinks HD was doing anything other than taking one for the team and accidentally hurt the player is completely deluded. That’s a fact.
 

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I blame his missus for cutting down on his meat. He got turned by the defender ran after him and brought him down. It was nothing to do with black arts. It was nothing to do with stopping an attack. It was petulant. I'm sure he was pretty sick that he hurt the bloke but in this instance yes he was a dickhead.
Utter rubbish I am afraid.
 

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It's not just tactical fouling and we are definitely getting "better" at it. i.e standing over the ball to prevent quick free kicks which everyone has been doing to us for years and we were clearly doing it back to SW.

Also, Jenson looks to have been given an instruction to protect Reya at corners by getting between him and the opposition player.

It's not just about being better ar dark arts but also about combating the dark arts of others.
 

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Seems the guy Henrik “tactically fouled” is out for six weeks....

sorry, not sorry...:sneakoff:
Just to clarify - you’re not sorry that through the action of one of our players someone is sufficiently injured to miss playing for 6 weeks?
 

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Just to clarify - you’re not sorry that through the action of one of our players someone is sufficiently injured to miss playing for 6 weeks?
We've missed Norgaard for goodness knows how long since one dumb arse (Joelinton) decided to damage his season. sh*t happens in football. 🤷
 

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Absolutely, but having watched us come a cropper to it 20-30 times in the past 7 years we know refs have no interest in stopping it.

I am sure the people turning on their own players on this thread are the first to moan when we let two soft goals in and throw a game away.

All teams do it, until refs grow some balls we need to react and get with the program or we could go on missing out for many years

Anyone who thinks HD was doing anything other than taking one for the team and accidentally hurt the player is completely deluded. That’s a fact.
Four more facts 1. HD was as subtle as a brick 2. HD was very fortunate that he didn't get a red card and an automatic ban thus adding to our depleted squad issues 3. HD didn't need to commit the foul anyway as the Wednesday man was in his own half and there were at least 5 covering Brentford players, and 4. TF was stupid to broadcast this tactic so publicly as every Championship referee will now be aware and potentially influenced in their future decision making.
 

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Just to clarify - you’re not sorry that through the action of one of our players someone is sufficiently injured to miss playing for 6 weeks?
I don’t for one minute believe that Henrik intended to injure the guy. He intended to stop him, inevitably unfairly as he wasn’t able to otherwise, but the resulting injury was an accident. Doesn’t excuse it though m.
 

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I think Brentford should ask the EFL to dock the Bees a point, or two, for that disgraceful challenge by Henrik. Henrik should be suspended sine die too. Get this filth out of our game....Make a stand Brentford!!. :fishing:

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as I note above...we do need to learn these skills....but I think the problem is that some teams are so much better than us at it....will be interesting if we try and pull stoke into a free for all...the ref will probably throw the towel in on our behalf
 

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If it was Ayew bearing down on goal a taser would have been justified, let alone that foul.
 

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Four more facts 1. HD was as subtle as a brick 2. HD was very fortunate that he didn't get a red card and an automatic ban thus adding to our depleted squad issues 3. HD didn't need to commit the foul anyway as the Wednesday man was in his own half and there were at least 5 covering Brentford players, and 4. TF was stupid to broadcast this tactic so publicly as every Championship referee will now be aware and potentially influenced in their future decision making.
He tripped the bloke like happens to us 20 times a game, he slid and caught him, no intent to injure and purely accidental injury.
 

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If that is the 90th minute of the play off final and Swansea are about to equalise then yes, 100%, take the red card and the 200m quid.

If the keeper has gone up for the corner you have to assume they are chasing the game in the last seconds so is there any point in committing the foul.
 

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If that is the 90th minute of the play off final and Swansea are about to equalise then yes, 100%, take the red card and the 200m quid.

If the keeper has gone up for the corner you have to assume they are chasing the game in the last seconds so is there any point in committing the foul.
I recall they were losing 2-1 at this point and had less than a minute.
If it comes down to goal difference in 2 months time this may save them BUT they've plenty of games to rectify a single goal but this player won't be able to assist that in the next few games as he is now serving a suspension.
Personally, with 2 months remaining of season, pointless.
But in scenario you described.... play off final, or even last game of season, 90th minute and even with Raya in goal instead of running back, take him out.
 

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