Tariqe Fosu

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Any idea regarding the absence of Fosu yesterday? I thought he would have been on the bench.
 

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He may be injured, of course. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned out in the next couple of weeks. He’s probably the only first teamer I don’t think has a real role to play this season.

Even Ghoddos could be useful in certain games, probably off the bench, but I don’t really see that in Fosu.
 

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His time could come after a spot opens up on the bench, but yeah, I don't see us doing the cups this season and, as the OS loves to say about every player, he'll be "looking for more minutes this season".
 

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His time could come after a spot opens up on the bench, but yeah, I don't see us doing the cups this season and, as the OS loves to say about every player, he'll be "looking for more minutes this season".

maybe but spots on the bench look likely to be going the other way with (hopefully) Jensen and baptiste back soon
 

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maybe but spots on the bench look likely to be going the other way with (hopefully) Jensen and baptiste back soon

True, can imagine Dervis would make way, but beyond that, we're into "who the hell would you leave out?!" territory.
 

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I’d certainly keep him in the squad, was one of our best performers in lots of games last year and right now we aren’t blessed with many fit players who can beat a man and open things up. Underrated player.
I rate him a lot.

If he stays here I think it would defo be as a squad player.
He's very handy to have around as he can cover different positions.
At the same time I could see a champ club signing him up as a starter for a decent fee (profit for us , no doubt)

Decisions, decisions...
 

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Clearly we are going to have a new style with sustained high press and a mix of build up from the back and more direct play. The carousel is dead. This is very high tempo and we need personnel who can deliver this. IMO Fosu has a major contribution to make as we will need a lot of rotation to deliver this week in week out.
 

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If wissa delivers, I can relax about Tarique. But right now he offers something different and has to be kept in the squad
 

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Fosu is a hard working utility player who is never really going to first choice in any position but will put in a good shift wherever asked for and follow his instructions. That versatility and dependable 7/10 performance while understanding team and tactics as well as his own ability to pull out a top performance almost by surprise if he hasn’t played much recently makes him a valuable squad player.
 

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And Fosu n Roeslev. In the turningofthetides Preston game, Tariq was surely MOM. He was awesome in a sort of No10 role, in our newly found TF formation.
Who do you drop from Friday to make that role for Fosu? Now do you see?
 
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Who do you drop from Friday to make that role for Fosu? Now do you see?
@AB I don’t disagree with you, but also completely agree with @james121bees that Tariq is a hugely important utility squad player. In my mind a bit like Stuart Dallas performs for Leeds. He is also good at retaining possession (most of the time).
 

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... and that's the point – Fosu's best position is on the bench as a utility player who can add some energy and effort in many positions without being a first or second choice in any of those positions.
 

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And Fosu n Roeslev. In the turningofthetides Preston game, Tariq was surely MOM. He was awesome in a sort of No10 role, in our newly found TF formation.

yeh, but then everyone was awesome (sorry LEGO movie) in that game, he struggled to replicate that in subsequent games and got replaced by Marcondes.. 🤷

I think he's a little over-egged by some on here. Great squad player but lacks consistency and I can't see him making much of an impact on the first team now we've stepped up a level.
 

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@AB I don’t disagree with you, but also completely agree with @james121bees that Tariq is a hugely important utility squad player. In my mind a bit like Stuart Dallas performs for Leeds. He is also good at retaining possession (most of the time).
I had toyed with the Dallas comparison myself but thought better of it. The difference is that Dallas has done this over a long time so that he’s established as consistently high performing in several positions and could at a slightly lower level have established in one while filling in when needed elsewhere. Indeed he pretty much did in the seasons between leaving us and Bielsa arriving at Leeds. But Fosu doesn’t have the luxury of 3 seasons establishing himself in a midtable Championship side. He’ll get some game time but as some Leeds fans are starting to say of Dallas now they’ve built their squad up a bit, without reflecting badly on his own hard work and consistent application at doing whatever is asked, it’ll be a bad sign about how the team and more specialised players brought in for big money are doing.

I can see some filling in at LWB or RWB for Fosu because we only have Henry, Canos, Roerslev established in those spots. I personally think Thompson has potential at LWB because of his crossing ability but he’s still a way off. I’d be concerned at MBS deputising LWB/LB or us shifting Ajer to RB/RWB ahead of Fosu. But we have a lot more attacking midfielders for any of the forward roles and it’s really only Ghoddos who I might be surprised to see favoured a lot more regularly than Fosu, unless Ghoddos himself improves. But I think Ghoddos may have another level beyond Fosu to go in the right role (cf Emiliano last season who ultimately did the role trialled by Fosu in the formation change much better).
 

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yeh, but then everyone was awesome (sorry LEGO movie) in that game, he struggled to replicate that in subsequent games and got replaced by Marcondes.. 🤷

I think he's a little over-egged by some on here. Great squad player but lacks consistency and I can't see him making much of an impact on the first team now we've stepped up a level.
Have to disagree, one of our most consistent performers last season, which is why he won a number of GPG MOM votes. I hope he gets his chances this season, and not just off the bench.
 

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Def worth keeping imo has never let us down
He’ll only get games through injuries of those higher up in the pecking order, but he’s valuable to us as he’s versatile. The question is, does he want to be an ‘also ran’ in a premier club? I think he came to us as part and parcel of the Baptiste transfer, and as it happens has more than proved his worth, but it’s a cut throat business so it must play on his mind a bit.
 

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Maybe this debate is simply a sign of the times and how far we have progressed in recent seasons. Fosu has had some great games for us, he’s reliable and his link up play, especially with Toney, has been impressive. It’s just that the bar has raised again and given the quality and depth of the present squad, there are always going to be some very tough selection choices. I hope he gets some meaningful game time for us this season and I’m sure he’ll do well.
 
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Decent player imo, played a big part last season often coming off the bench scoring and assisting. Also did well at RB in a few games when asked to play there. Cannot see him going anywhere myself, seems like a great utility player, every team has one, never let us down.
 

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He’ll only get games through injuries of those higher up in the pecking order, but he’s valuable to us as he’s versatile. The question is, does he want to be an ‘also ran’ in a premier club? I think he came to us as part and parcel of the Baptiste transfer, and as it happens has more than proved his worth, but it’s a cut throat business so it must play on his mind a bit.
Better an also ran than a never ran! I suspect a bit of Emiliano’s complaint at the end of last season is that on winning promotion the prospect of playing for us at least some of the time in the PL looked much more attractive than it did earlier in the season when he rejected his contract offer.

I would think this season most if not all players who are in the squad and capable of getting game time will be buzzing at the prospect. At the end of the season, if we go down, those at the fringes will see themselves as potentially getting a bigger role next season but a smaller one if we stay up unless they made a strong claim over the season.

If Fosu plays to his ability and gets 10-15 appearances as a league sub and some cup games as a starter, next summer he will have the decision to make about his future. If he can earn a new contract and be confident of having gone up the pecking order, brilliant for all. Or, he might well have great offers to be a regular in a decent Championship side (cf Emiliano again).

But if he or anyone else get in a sulk about it, they’ll not get a look in now and not be an attractive target other than for a lower Championship side. Most will understand this and be professional. If we’re playing well and winning without them, it is hard to feel hard done by.
 

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Better an also ran than a never ran! I suspect a bit of Emiliano’s complaint at the end of last season is that on winning promotion the prospect of playing for us at least some of the time in the PL looked much more attractive than it did earlier in the season when he rejected his contract offer.

I would think this season most if not all players who are in the squad and capable of getting game time will be buzzing at the prospect. At the end of the season, if we go down, those at the fringes will see themselves as potentially getting a bigger role next season but a smaller one if we stay up unless they made a strong claim over the season.

If Fosu plays to his ability and gets 10-15 appearances as a league sub and some cup games as a starter, next summer he will have the decision to make about his future. If he can earn a new contract and be confident of having gone up the pecking order, brilliant for all. Or, he might well have great offers to be a regular in a decent Championship side (cf Emiliano again).

But if he or anyone else get in a sulk about it, they’ll not get a look in now and not be an attractive target other than for a lower Championship side. Most will understand this and be professional. If we’re playing well and winning without them, it is hard to feel hard done by.
I tend to agree. I can only speculate regarding Marcondes, but I hope that Fosu has a different agent!
 

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Not included in the squad last night, is he on his way out on loan?

I would be disappointed as he finished the season strongly for us. However he never really got us excited as a winger and probably doesn’t have the athleticism to play more central in the PL.
 

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If he's fit, then there are some parallels with last year, when he barely got a look-in at the start of the season. He then went on to be extremely impressive for us, especially over the winter months. He's possibly not Premier League quality, but we have other back-up players that you could say the same about who are getting more of a chance.
 

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shame but , if true, he should get a decent Championship club - but not qpr or fulham or even bournemouth :-(

reading? bristol city?
 

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Expect a(nother) Twitter meltdown if he does go.............. :rolleyes:
#frankout
 

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A reliable utility player but I find it impossible to think what his real position is in any of our formations; he's a 'closer' when all we need is some energy on the pitch. At his age (and awaiting any further recruitment), we may not want to 'waste' a squad place on him when there are players like Žambůrek who can perform the same role and are under 21.
 

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Son's friend was in the posh seats last night, with Marcus Gayle there to talk to. Apparently Gayle was speaking to Forsu yesterday who was told by the club to watch the game at home and Forsu feels the club are forcing him out. Something not right if this is true.
 

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Son's friend was in the posh seats last night, with Marcus Gayle there to talk to. Apparently Gayle was speaking to Forsu yesterday who was told by the club to watch the game at home and Forsu feels the club are forcing him out. Something not right if this is true.
Well the highlighted bit certainly is! It wasn't televised live anywhere!
 

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Son's friend was in the posh seats last night, with Marcus Gayle there to talk to. Apparently Gayle was speaking to Forsu yesterday who was told by the club to watch the game at home and Forsu feels the club are forcing him out. Something not right if this is true.
I am sure the club are quite ruthless, basing decisions on data and facts over emotions will always make them seem that way, but there are ways and means.

I'd like to think the club treats players in the correct manner and the player always knows where he stands. Maybe that's not the case, similarly with Marcondes, but I'd be surprised.
 

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If we were to get relegated, then Fosu would be perfect for next season, especially as Mbeumo would probably leave. I wouldn't be so quick to get rid, and I think he's a better current option than Dervisoglu.
 

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If we were to get relegated, then Fosu would be perfect for next season, especially as Mbeumo would probably leave. I wouldn't be so quick to get rid, and I think he's a better current option than Dervisoglu.
Wha's Fosu got to do with Mbeumo... and stop this talk of relegation!
 

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If we were to get relegated, then Fosu would be perfect for next season, especially as Mbeumo would probably leave. I wouldn't be so quick to get rid, and I think he's a better current option than Dervisoglu.
That's not actually difficult atm. Can't think about next season tbh, worry about that when it arrives. Need to focus on the here and now and what is required to keep us in the prem.
 

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I am sure the club are quite ruthless, basing decisions on data and facts over emotions will always make them seem that way, but there are ways and means.

I'd like to think the club treats players in the correct manner and the player always knows where he stands. Maybe that's not the case, similarly with Marcondes, but I'd be surprised.
The club has to be ruthless. Otherwise we’d have given Marcondes a five year deal after the final.
 

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That's not actually difficult atm. Can't think about next season tbh, worry about that when it arrives. Need to focus on the here and now and what is required to keep us in the prem.
Yeah, cos that's exactly the way the club got us where we are today
 

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The club has to be ruthless. Otherwise we’d have given Marcondes a five year deal after the final.
I agree wholeheartedly. My point is EM seemed to be surprised he didn't get a contract & TF feels, according to reports, that he is being forced out. Both of these would surprise me and are are only the players' view of events.
 

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If we went down (and we won’t) we’d need better than Fosu as a direct replacement for Mbuemo to come back up.

He was never going to feature much this season so it makes sense that he’d be moving on.

He made a decent impact at times last season but isn’t a Prem player. Will always hold him in high regard for scoring what I consider to be the last goal at GP
 

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I agree wholeheartedly. My point is EM seemed to be surprised he didn't get a contract & TF feels, according to reports, that he is being forced out. Both of these would surprise me and are are only the players' view of events.
I believe EM was offered a contract earlier in the season - it just didn't match was he/his agent thought he was worth. He probably expected BFC to come back with an improved offer - they didn't.
 

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Fosu is one I would only want to let go if we were able to bring someone else in.

We have to be ruthless if there is an opportunity to improve the squad. But if not, and we just let him go without seeing anyone come in, we might regret that given he is so versatile and seems to be a good dressing room influence.
 

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I believe EM was offered a contract earlier in the season - it just didn't match was he/his agent thought he was worth. He probably expected BFC to come back with an improved offer - they didn't.
Which gives a fuller picture of the truth. When weighed against the clubs version of events, TFs version of the situation would look similarly less shabby I am sure.
 
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Fosu is one I would only want to let go if we were able to bring someone else in.

We have to be ruthless if there is an opportunity to improve the squad. But if not, and we just let him go without seeing anyone come in, we might regret that given he is so versatile and seems to be a good dressing room influence.
Haven't we already brought in Wissa?
 
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