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Frank obviously has a problem with him. Refused to start him last year until he was forced to and proved him wrong. Deserves a chance as arguably was our best player behind Toney last year.
When did this "proof" happen please? Was it the time he scored 18 goals against Manchester United?
 

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You’d have to argue pretty hard to say he was our second best player last season
I argue for a living and would probably turn down those instructions! I don’t know why people on here have to either think he’s a brilliant player underrated by the club or useless and disruptive.

He’s a good player, wouldn’t be with us or part of our best team in 75 years if he weren’t. He’s also not quite up to being more than an occasional player in the PL but I’d be confident he’d work hard on the pitch if he got the chance and try to play the role allotted to him by Frank. I’m not sorry we have him as back up but it’ll probably be in his best interests to go somewhere he can be a bigger part of in January (fwiw I don’t think Swansea would have been a bad move for him).
 

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I argue for a living and would probably turn down those instructions! I don’t know why people on here have to either think he’s a brilliant player underrated by the club or useless and disruptive.

He’s a good player, wouldn’t be with us or part of our best team in 75 years if he weren’t. He’s also not quite up to being more than an occasional player in the PL but I’d be confident he’d work hard on the pitch if he got the chance and try to play the role allotted to him by Frank. I’m not sorry we have him as back up but it’ll probably be in his best interests to go somewhere he can be a bigger part of in January (fwiw I don’t think Swansea would have been a bad move for him).

Playing 90 mins week-in-week-out would be brilliant for him and potentially great for us, either to comeback into the squad or a sale fee.
 

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Playing 90 mins week-in-week-out would be brilliant for him and potentially great for us, either to comeback into the squad or a sale fee.
90 mins week in week out would be brilliant for him.

Who would he be displacing from the team to do it? Sergi, probably our highest performing player so far? Onyeka? Mbeumo? Vitaly? Rico? Wissa? This would not be great for us unless hand on heart you think he’s better than them.

The reality is the players he’s really in competition with are Ghoddos in the CAM role (which he played with great discipline against Villa) or Roerslev/Thompson as back up WB. Villa are somewhat better defensively than Preston. Indeed we are not going to play anyone in the league with a defence so easily bamboozled and demoralised. A regular run of league games for Fosu means a serious injury to Sergi and/or Rico. In no way would that be a good thing, however much you rate Tariqe.
 

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90 mins week in week out would be brilliant for him.

Who would he be displacing from the team to do it? Sergi, probably our highest performing player so far? Onyeka? Mbeumo? Vitaly? Rico? Wissa? This would not be great for us unless hand on heart you think he’s better than them.

The reality is the players he’s really in competition with are Ghoddos in the CAM role (which he played with great discipline against Villa) or Roerslev/Thompson as back up WB. Villa are somewhat better defensively than Preston. Indeed we are not going to play anyone in the league with a defence so easily bamboozled and demoralised. A regular run of league games for Fosu means a serious injury to Sergi and/or Rico. In no way would that be a good thing, however much you rate Tariqe.
I think he’s backup for a number of positions but yes he certainly deserves a go in the role that Ghoddos played vs villa. Although atm Ghoddis deserves at least another game as he did fine on Saturday.
 

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90 mins week in week out would be brilliant for him.

Who would he be displacing from the team to do it? Sergi, probably our highest performing player so far? Onyeka? Mbeumo? Vitaly? Rico? Wissa? This would not be great for us unless hand on heart you think he’s better than them.

The reality is the players he’s really in competition with are Ghoddos in the CAM role (which he played with great discipline against Villa) or Roerslev/Thompson as back up WB. Villa are somewhat better defensively than Preston. Indeed we are not going to play anyone in the league with a defence so easily bamboozled and demoralised. A regular run of league games for Fosu means a serious injury to Sergi and/or Rico. In no way would that be a good thing, however much you rate Tariqe.

I wasn't clear ... I meant 90 mins etc out on loan. Can he improve enough to get into our squad long term... who knows. Can he improve enough to get a perm move and earn us a fee... I would hope so.
 
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I think he’s backup for a number of positions but yes he certainly deserves a go in the role that Ghoddos played vs villa. Although atm Ghoddis deserves at least another game as he did fine on Saturday.
He’s at the moment a back up to back ups. He was last season too. If he’s happy with that and works hard that’s great.
 

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I wasn't clear ... I meant 90 mins etc out on loan. Can he improve enough to get into our squad long term... who knows. Can he improve enough to get a perm move and earn us a fee... I would hope so.
Oh yes, that would be ideal. I think he’s played enough games for us for the club to have made an informed decision on whether he would ever be good enough to stay longer term (iirc Phil G said 25 games is the base level from which to judge and Fosu’s played more than double that).
 

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Surely he would be back up to Canos being injured. Istn there some stat that says we have won everygame that he started as RB/RWB?
 

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You’d have to argue pretty hard to say he was our second best player last season
He was definitely one of our best players though, behind probably only Toney, Raya, Henry, Pinnock, Janelt, Canos, Jenson, Mbeumo, DaSilva, Dalsgaard, Norgaard, Jansson, Sorenson and Forss.
 

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Glad that he has stayed, he definitely has the talent, just seems that there is another problem, that means he hasn't been involved.
 

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He was definitely one of our best players though, behind probably only Toney, Raya, Henry, Pinnock, Janelt, Canos, Jenson, Mbeumo, DaSilva, Dalsgaard, Norgaard, Jansson, Sorenson and Forss.
I'd have put him in front or Forss....

But I hope that he's able to make some contribution to our efforts this season as he's a decent squad player to have.
 

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I'd have put him in front or Forss....

But I hope that he's able to make some contribution to our efforts this season as he's a decent squad player to have.
Perhaps - he snuck in there on my list on the basis of a few important goals.

In fairness, I do think he's a worthwhile squad player, but I'd just have to question anyone who thinks he's anywhere close to our starting XI, even more so given we've added a few more talented players compared to my list above.
 

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Perhaps - he snuck in there on my list on the basis of a few important goals.

In fairness, I do think he's a worthwhile squad player, but I'd just have to question anyone who thinks he's anywhere close to our starting XI, even more so given we've added a few more talented players compared to my list above.
It’s going to be tough for him to get many starts I agree, but let’s see how Ghoddos and Jensen get on as without JDS we need someone who can help open things up and link attack and defence, and we’ve seen him do that pretty well in the past. Key thing is he’s staying, it’s now up to him to force his way in.
 
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A bit amazed at how good people thought Fosu was last season. Toney was our star, then below him we had Henry, Pinnock, Raya, Dalsgaard, Dasilva and Jensen strong performers for as long as they were fit. Below them were the likes of Fosu, Canos, Ghoddos and Mbeumo. There was a reason him, Canos, Mbeumo and Ghoddos kept rotating so often and it's not because any of them were particularly amazing going forward. Overall Fosu, much like them, was average with glimpses of class and some forgetful performances. He had 7 goal contributions last season, did not rank particularly highly across the league for crosses or key passes either. On his day a very capable and talented winger, consistently was not reliable to play game in, game out.

Fortunately for Canos he rose above the general averageness of his performances as a winger and found a new level of performance as a LWB, phenomenal for us towards the end of the season. Ghoddos whilst never being amazing can play in central midfield and is currently used for cover. Mbeumo is playing up top with Toney and if a third forward is needed, Marcus Forss is much better in front of goal than Fosu and Yoann Wissa was signed specifically to play in a 2 or a front 3.

The fact is that in our current formation there is no room for Fosu and in a 4-3-3 there is only really room for him as a rotation option but even then we have other options. Regular football doesn't exist for him at the club now, unless he can find a way to perform to double the standards he was last season, we'll have to wait till January to move him on.
 

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Hope having unhappy players around the club doesn't effect the rest of the squad,no idea why he is not wanted as decent squad player and would improve our subs bench
 

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Every single season we freshen up the fringes of our squad. It shouldn’t come as a surprise. Players that are not guaranteed to start are often moved on just to keep the mood and mindset in the squad in a certain place. It is the way of the game. I recall similar confusion amongst fans when Marcondes, Odubajo and Barbet were released.

Fosu was the perfect squad player for us last season, played several different positions, kept himself fit and suspension free and seemed a popular guy in the dressing room. But whilst he made a positive impact he was never really a starter for us in the Championship and so minutes at PL level will be limited. There doesn’t need to be much more to the decision to let him go than that.

As it has turned out, he couldn’t get a move out of Brentford and so I hope he gets a game vs Oldham and that we can squeeze him into the 25 man squad to use in the PL if needed.
 

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Hope having unhappy players around the club doesn't effect the rest of the squad,no idea why he is not wanted as decent squad player and would improve our subs bench
There will always be unhappy players around as loads will be wanting to play more. It’s how they’re managed and how they react, being a sulk isn’t going to get you a game or interest from other clubs either
 

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There will always be unhappy players around as loads will be wanting to play more. It’s how they’re managed and how they react, being a sulk isn’t going to get you a game or interest from other clubs either
doesn't seem to have been managed very well at all with our head coach comes out and says to the press that he is looking to move him out on loan,seems to be a issue somewhere as this isn't the type of thing Thomas normally does.
 

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doesn't seem to have been managed very well at all with our head coach comes out and says to the press that he is looking to move him out on loan,seems to be a issue somewhere as this isn't the type of thing Thomas normally does.

Did he “come out and say” it or was he answering a question?
 

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If there were two Championship clubs interested in him and Thomas knew Tarique had already agreed to go to out on loan at that level, then it seems entirely reasonable to say the club was working on securing a loan for him. Why is that a problem?
 

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doesn't seem to have been managed very well at all with our head coach comes out and says to the press that he is looking to move him out on loan,seems to be a issue somewhere as this isn't the type of thing Thomas normally does.
I can't see that is an issue. No doubt discussions were had between player and management and Tarique would have been aware and agreeable to a loan out. Happens all the time and doesn't mean there are any underlying issues other than wanting to play, which cannot be guaranteed at the moment.
 

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I can't see that is an issue. No doubt discussions were had between player and management and Tarique would have been aware and agreeable to a loan out. Happens all the time and doesn't mean there are any underlying issues other than wanting to play, which cannot be guaranteed at the moment.
Yes, I think we’re a long way past players only finding out they were being sold or loaned only after it was already a fait accompli! Tariqe’s release from international duty to enable him to sort things is another sign this was not a bombshell public announcement but something he’d have been part of.
 

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Looks like he will get the last squad number with Valencia not playing today. Still reckon he will go in Jan and we might have to give him a free.
 

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Frank obviously has a problem with him. Refused to start him last year until he was forced to and proved him wrong. Deserves a chance as arguably was our best player behind Toney last year.

Best player behind Toney?!?!?!?!?!?

Im sure Vitaly, Canos, Ethan will have something to say about that.
 

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Frank obviously has a problem with him. Refused to start him last year until he was forced to and proved him wrong. Deserves a chance as arguably was our best player behind Toney last year.

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Possibly the '10' role before Marcondes stepped up?

Can't think they mean the 2nd best player across the whole team.
That does make a lot more sense and is arguable.
 

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That does make a lot more sense and is arguable.
Though as he was replaced as the man playing behind Toney by Marcondes who put in some incredible performances in the vital play off games and still was released, being second to him doesn’t make the case for Fosu some might think! Not as good as someone the club thought not needed.
 
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