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Dazza said:
He's a winger, we don't play with wingers right now so now place for him is all. He showed last season that while he could link up well with Ivan he wasn't good enough as an 8 in the Championship (show by the fact we ended up playing Marcdones, a player we were happy to move on this summer, in front of him in the business end of the season) and I would guess he's not shown any reason to think he'd do a better job in that role in the league above. Maybe he could have got a run out as wing back but at start of the season Sergi was doing well on the right and then Mads got his chance and has taken it. Rico is a class above so he's not going to get a chance ahead of him and while Rico was injured so was Fosu.

I don't think he's been treated badly and there's no grand conspiracy, he's just become a victim of our formation change and there's just no space for him. He did well for us in spells last season for sure and I like him but the step up means some players get left behind sadly.
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I agree with a lot of what you say but Ghoddos has played a number of those roles this season and has given us a lift. It’s only my opinion (but hopefully that’s what forums like this are for) but on last seasons evidence he is a better player than Ghoddos and deserved a chance to show it
 
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I don’t have one scintilla of evidence that we have treated him badly. I said I was worried we have. My only point is that we have never given him a chance this season. Not one minute of league football. And I simply don’t understand it. He’s been frozen out and nobody has explained why. He looked to me like a decent player last season, influential in our promotion and IMO certainly a better performer than say Ghoddos, who’s been involved in most match day squads this season. Yes I know that TF and others know better than me and I get most decisions that he makes but this one I simply can’t get my head around. Maybe one day we will get a better understanding of the reason behind the decision but from the outside it seems bizarre.
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It has been reported, sympathetically, that he’s not good at training (Toney said this while self-deprecatingly saying he was worse). If you went to Stoke, you’ll have seen Fosu run around very energetically but somewhat like a headless chicken entirely independently of team shape or strategy. Most fans love Fosu for his energy and unpredictability (he’s clearly got talent) and praised some nice recoveries while forgetting that he’d lost the ball in the first place. From that, I can see why TF, who has had an approach of meticulous preparation and planning with very clear individual and team roles as being the way to ensure that as a team we overcome broadly being worse individually in pretty much all positions than pretty much every opponent and are nevertheless able to compete. Throwing on a wildcard who might snatch something with a moment of genius or might give something away by regularly not being where he’s meant to be is not going to fit. Even if you think Ghoddos is a worse performer, he has manfully done what is asked of him even when often played out of position and apparently not ever really being given his preferred free role. Fosu would equally enjoy such a free role but interprets every role he’s given as a free one. No need for any falling out,

Maybe TF ought to be less rigid but he has worked hard on his strategy as have most other players. They’re not all at all perfect at it but with say Sergi, who despite being my favourite player, I’d have been very sceptical about having the focus to play at all convincingly as a RWB in the PL, you can see how hard he is trying to do just that and rein in instincts to play more as an individual. At this level it is essential unless you are Ronaldo good and even he hasn’t turned Man U into an inexorable winning machine. That’s why Benrahma has had to do all that work learning how to do defensive shape and positioning, sometimes looking in mental anguish at it last season but now being a major part of his team and also contributing with goals and assists.
 
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Lewbeelou said:
I agree with a lot of what you say but Ghoddos has played a number of those roles this season and has given us a lift. It’s only my opinion (but hopefully that’s what forums like this are for) but on last seasons evidence he is a better player than Ghoddos and deserved a chance to show it
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I don't really disagree tbh was just trying to offer a reason as to why he might not be playing this season. I see a fair bit on other social media sites of people really rating Fosu and wanting him in the team and frankly I've never really got it, he works hard and is a decent championship level player to but then history has shown those type of players can flourish if given the chance and I do agree he hasn't had the chances others have this season but then again we did try and loan him out in the summer (to Swansea I think it was) so the writing has been on the wall for him really and I would expect we've been pretty upfront with him over it so while I may also prefer him to get some time ahead of Ghoddos, if the club don't feel like he will be here then I can understand why they give minutes to try and develop other players instead.
 
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It has been reported, sympathetically, that he’s not good at training (Toney said this while self-deprecatingly saying he was worse). If you went to Stoke, you’ll have seen Fosu run around very energetically but somewhat like a headless chicken entirely independently of team shape or strategy. Most fans love Fosu for his energy and unpredictability (he’s clearly got talent) and praised some nice recoveries while forgetting that he’d lost the ball in the first place. From that, I can see why TF, who has had an approach of meticulous preparation and planning with very clear individual and team roles as being the way to ensure that as a team we overcome broadly being worse individually in pretty much all positions than pretty much every opponent and are nevertheless able to compete. Throwing on a wildcard who might snatch something with a moment of genius or might give something away by regularly not being where he’s meant to be is not going to fit. Even if you think Ghoddos is a worse performer, he has manfully done what is asked of him even when often played out of position and apparently not ever really being given his preferred free role. Fosu would equally enjoy such a free role but interprets every role he’s given as a free one. No need for any falling out,

Maybe TF ought to be less rigid but he has worked hard on his strategy as have most other players. They’re not all at all perfect at it but with say Sergi, who despite being my favourite player, I’d have been very sceptical about having the focus to play at all convincingly as a RWB in the PL, you can see how hard he is trying to do just that and rein in instincts to play more as an individual. At this level it is essential unless you are Ronaldo good and even he hasn’t turned Man U into an inexorable winning machine. That’s why Benrahma has had to do all that work learning how to do defensive shape and positioning, sometimes looking in mental anguish at it last season but now being a major part of his team and also contributing with goals and assists.
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Stoke’s one of the few games I couldn’t get to this season so I’ll take your word for it. I get what you’re saying and you may well be right, who knows.
 
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On the few occasions he's played, he seems to position naturally as an inside forward, which is not really a role we have. If we want to play him as a 10, then that's also not a position in our formations. IMHO, whatever position you want to put him in, it's either not one we play or one we have a whole list ahead of him, like the Mbeumo-Wissa role. Best we thank him and help him to get a good place elsewhere.
 
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Is Tariqe still injured - and if not will he get a chance on the bench? Thought he would have been a slam-dunk loan to a club similar to Swansea.
 
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davewfilms said:
Great news He played really well when played right back last season.i would prefer him at wing back to canos.
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Think he only played one or two games there, although also for Ghana
 
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davewfilms said:
Great news he got 80 mins today against rangers,if we carry on with the 5 man defense got to be a better option than canos.
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In the Premier League that would be another square peg moment.
 
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davewfilms said:
Why desperate he is part of our 1st team squad and played well for us in our promotion season.
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he's not played a minute of PL football and he's barely played any at any level at wing back.. He was also v inconsistent, easily knocked off the ball and constantly relinquished possession by running down dead ends.. I just can't see what he brings to that role at this level... 🤷
 
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Why desperate he is part of our 1st team squad and played well for us in our promotion season.
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I can see your logic but @Mr Cynical has nailed it. Would rather see us go to a flat 4 and push Ajer out there if Mads isn’t available.
 
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Why desperate he is part of our 1st team squad and played well for us in our promotion season.
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Yes, but he wasn’t injured in the first few months of the season, and wasn’t considered good enough to even get a place on a nine-man substitutes bench. So what’s changed now?

Having said that, I think he’s okay and probably deserved a chance, but I reckon that’s gone now.
 
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Mr Cynical said:
I think the point is, if we need better than Canos and Roerslev, then we also need better than Fosu...
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Agreed but we are where we are now and I still haven’t a clue who to play at RWB or if we should switch to a flat back hour now we have more midfield options.
 
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Our subs bench progressively strengthening will help. We've had a skeleton crew on board for far too long to enable us to flourish at this level. We need the added strength in depth. Onwards and upwards for the rest of this season.
 
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North London Bee said:
Agreed but we are where we are now and I still haven’t a clue who to play at RWB or if we should switch to a flat back hour now we have more midfield options.
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I don't think we can go back four, do you? I think we should stick with Roerslev at RWB, he's much better defensively than anyone else in that role and with Ajer behind him can be guided a bit. If we've more attacking prowess in midfield with JDS and Eriksen then the onus isn't on him to get forward as much either as Josh can be a real threat getting down that side.
 
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Isleworth_Bee said:
I can see your logic but @Mr Cynical has nailed it. Would rather see us go to a flat 4 and push Ajer out there if Mads isn’t available.
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I think most of us would prefer a back 4,thats why i said if we continue with a back 5 but i cant see thomas switching to back 4.Only way i see if the players ask for it like they did last season when norgaard went into a back 5
 
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davewfilms said:
I think most of us would prefer a back 4,thats why i said if we continue with a back 5 but i cant see thomas switching to back 4.Only way i see if the players ask for it like they did last season when norgaard went into a back 5
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It still doesn't answer the question of who is the best player for the RB/RWB position, regardless of a 4 or 5.
 
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I think most of us would prefer a back 4,thats why i said if we continue with a back 5 but i cant see thomas switching to back 4.Only way i see if the players ask for it like they did last season when norgaard went into a back 5
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There’s no way itll happen then as there’s no way Pontus will ask to go back to a four..
 
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Canos was a much better wing back in the championship than Fosu was
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Fosu never played wing back in the championship. He only ever played on the wing or as a right back in a back 4, when we switched to a back 5 he played in the midfield 3 with Janelt and Jensen. Only time I remember him playing wing back was off the left in the 2nd leg off the playoffs for the last 15 mins off the bench.
 
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Fosu never played wing back in the championship. He only ever played on the wing or as a right back in a back 4, when we switched to a back 5 he played in the midfield 3 with Janelt and Jensen. Only time I remember him playing wing back was off the left in the 2nd leg off the playoffs for the last 15 mins off the bench.
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But we now think it’s a good idea for him to play wing back at a significantly higher level ?
 
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Based on who we have available and TF's opinion of Fosu's abilities, I can confidently state here and now he will be nowhere near any pitch time for the first team in the coming games. I would be surprised to even see him selected on the subs bench.

For the record, I'd like to see him given some minutes off the bench if we are chasing a game, but do not see that happening.
 
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Based on who we have available and TF's opinion of Fosu's abilities, I can confidently state here and now he will be nowhere near any pitch time for the first team in the coming games. I would be surprised to even see him selected on the subs bench.

For the record, I'd like to see him given some minutes off the bench if we are chasing a game, but do not see that happening.
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Doubt he will he seen again. JDS and Eriksen in the squad now limits his chances further. As well as Zanka returning.
 
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I think Ghoddos has superseded any role Fosu may have had in the 'late sub to play somewhere on the pitch' department.
 
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