Team vs Sheffield Wednesday

[readingbee]

Toney’s out for three or four games

Did that come from Thomas or the club. All I’ve read is a journalist saying that.

 

[Guildford Bee]

Did that come from Thomas or the club. All I’ve read is a journalist saying that.

Quite from TF to a journalist. He said could be out for three or four games so I suppose it could be sooner.

Either way it’s unlikely to be Wednesday

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1363163645677568005

3-4 weeks out is the news we don’t want...Toney is so vital to the team....that’s 6 games minimum and virtually kills our promotion hopes dead

 

[IslandBee]

We are now in a full scale injury/confidence crisis so have to play the best, in-form available players in positions they are most suited to - not necessarily, their normal ones but as part of formation that has a decent chance of working, particularly given it is pretty clear Forss cannot operate as a single central striker. So I would go with:


Raya

Pinnock Reid Sorensen

Dalsgaard Da Silva Janelt Jensen Fosu

Forss Canos/Ghoddas

If Henrik is struggling, Fosu swaps sides, Canos plays on left and Ghoddas accompanies Forss. I wish Pressley looked more ready, but he could at least be an option alongside Forss late in the game if we are chasing.

 

[Vid]

Daniels in goal and Raya right back ?

 

[Invipai]

Raya
Dalsgaard, Sorensen, Pinnock, Roerslev.
Janelt
DaSilva, Jensen
Fosu, Forss, Canos.

Strongest we can here....we need to get the winning feeling back, so we need to put our strongest lineup out here.

We also need to play like Forss is Marcus Forss, rather than he's Ivan Toney.

 

[Delbee]

Raya
Dalsgaard, Sorensen, Pinnock, Roerslev.
Janelt
DaSilva, Jensen
Fosu, Forss, Canos.

Strongest we can here....we need to get the winning feeling back, so we need to put our strongest lineup out here.

We also need to play like Forss is Marcus Forss, rather than he's Ivan Toney.

Any team we put out we must restart
A) to play it out from the back
B) get our passing game back
C) play at pace
D) high press
E) reduce the number of long ball out upfield to Forss , Toney or whomever play uptop

 

[Griffingreen]

3-4 weeks out is the news we don’t want...

It's not Chinese whispers, the original quote was 3-4 games, not weeks.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Toney’s out for three or four games

I'm playing him anyway.

 

[Hippobee]

It's not Chinese whispers, the original quote was 3-4 games, not weeks.

What's that? 3-4 months you say?

That's it - sell him to Leicester now - season's finished!

 

[IslandBee]

Raya
Dalsgaard, Sorensen, Pinnock, Roerslev.
Janelt
DaSilva, Jensen
Fosu, Forss, Canos.

Strongest we can here....we need to get the winning feeling back, so we need to put our strongest lineup out here.

We also need to play like Forss is Marcus Forss, rather than he's Ivan Toney.

Not sure how your formation can allow that to happen. He will be as isolated as he was yesterday, expected to hold up play, which I am really not sure he can do, though admittedly the forward passing was a bit too stratospheric!

 

[james121bees]

Raya

Daalsgard
Reid
Pinnock
Fosu

Jensen
Janelt
Dasilva

Mbuemo
Forss
Canos

 

[Ashfordbees]

Personally with the players available I would go 3-5-2 . allows Ghoddos to get closer to Forss so he’s not isolated plus gives Sorensen a rest.
Raya

Daalsgard
Reid
Pinnock

Fosu
Jensen
Janelt
Dasilva
Canos

Ghoddos
Forss

 

[LingfieldBee]

Personally with the players available I would go 3-5-2 . allows Ghoddos to get closer to Forss so he’s not isolated plus gives Sorensen a rest.
Raya

Daalsgard
Reid
Pinnock

Fosu
Jensen
Janelt
Dasilva
Canos

Ghoddos
Forss

Pretty spot on for me too

 

[magicbees]

I'd be tweaking, considering injuries..

Raya.

---------Sorensen---- Pinnock --- Reid------------

Canos ---------------------Janelt ------------------ Fosu

‐-‐---------------Jensen‐-----------------Da Silva

‐--------------------‐---------------------------------------------
---------------------Forss------------Toney------------------

3-5-2.

Agree except for Mbuemo instead of Toney unless he is fit. Lets see Marcus upfront with somebody.

 

[grepo]

——————Raya—————-

Dalsgaard_MBS_Reid____Pinnock

___JDS__Janelt______Jensen______

Fosu______Ghoddos_______Canos

We intended to play Ghoddos as a 9 replacing Maupay last season. Forss doesn’t look anywhere near ready for that role and I think Ghoddos’ movement means he’s a better option

Great goal vs France for the Eagle Owls in the Euro qualifiers and several goals for us as sub in a short period of play, off the bench.

 

[grepo]

Personally with the players available I would go 3-5-2 . allows Ghoddos to get closer to Forss so he’s not isolated plus gives Sorensen a rest.
Raya

Daalsgard
Reid
Pinnock

Fosu
Jensen
Janelt
Dasilva
Canos

Ghoddos
Forss

Minimum number of changes possible from our most successful side.

 

[PJ]

——————Raya—————-

Dalsgaard_MBS_Reid____Pinnock

___JDS__Janelt______Jensen______

Fosu______Ghoddos_______Canos

We intended to play Ghoddos as a 9 replacing Maupay last season. Forss doesn’t look anywhere near ready for that role and I think Ghoddos’ movement means he’s a better option

Forss was poor yesterday but I reckon he was rusty. Not played much lately and normally his movement is much better. I'd definitely stick with him. Given chances he'll bang them in.
In midfield I'd be inclined to give Bidstrup a start alongside Janelt to hopefully add a bit of bite in midfield

 

[abeeforever]

What we seem to have been missing is a leader out there, our play has become disjointed and unorganised of late, it needs someone senior such as Dalsgaard or Reid to step up to the plate and guide the team along, We are injury hit for the next few games, so someone must take the on pitch responsibility.

 

[lanzabee]

I don't know how true that really is. I've read the same as you, in that there isn't time for us to do this with games coming thick and fast. However, I also have read in the last few games that teams adjust their formations to 3-5-2 when they play us to employ the high press.

There is going to have to be a change of tactics though, as we have no-one that can play LB in the way Henry does and Forss is not going to be holding up long, high balls all afternoon. We simply can't play the same way with those IT and RH out and expect to win games.

TF has stated a few times that he favours 433 or 343 as he always wants 3 up top to press. So a sudden switch to 352 is unlikely.

 

[Sandybee]

Any team we put out we must restart
A) to play it out from the back
B) get our passing game back
C) play at pace
D) high press
E) reduce the number of long ball out upfield to Forss , Toney or whomever play uptop

Are we allowed to field 20 players?

 

[lanzabee]

Forss was poor yesterday but I reckon he was rusty. Not played much lately and normally his movement is much better. I'd definitely stick with him. Given chances he'll bang them in.
In midfield I'd be inclined to give Bidstrup a start alongside Janelt to hopefully add a bit of bite in midfield

Most of the team were poor. We dont really have any options other than Forss in Toneys abscence

 

[jlove]

What we seem to have been missing is a leader out there, our play has become disjointed and unorganised of late, it needs someone senior such as Dalsgaard or Reid to step up to the plate and guide the team along, We are injury hit for the next few games, so someone must take the on pitch responsibility.

I'd be inclined to start with both of them, we need to take control of the game from the start. This is not the time for messing around with formations, with the younger players particularly, they won't have experience of their role in alternatives. Wednesday play a sort of 3-5-2, like our last 3 opponents, but don't seem to do a high press, just pump balls in from deep and wide, try to get free kicks and create situations where they can scrap for the second ball. Maybe start Žambůrek with the specific task to track Bannon about and stop his long balls in. They seem particularly poor at conceding free kicks themselves and are very vulnerable from set pieces and headers... again where Dalsgaard and Reid could be useful.

 

[IslandBee]

I'd be inclined to start with both of them, we need to take control of the game from the start. This is not the time for messing around with formations, with the younger players particularly, they won't have experience of their role in alternatives. Wednesday play a sort of 3-5-2, like our last 3 opponents, but don't seem to do a high press, just pump balls in from deep and wide, try to get free kicks and create situations where they can scrap for the second ball. Maybe start Žambůrek with the specific task to track Bannon about and stop his long balls in. They seem particularly poor at conceding free kicks themselves and are very vulnerable from set pieces and headers... again where Dalsgaard and Reid could be useful.

In normal circumstances, I would completely agree but the worry is whether Forss can play as central striker in our normal formation playing our normal way. He looks like he needs someone alongside him to me. I also don't like the thought of MDS, Fosu or Roerslev at left back

 

[Bridge Bee]

If we were going to change formations to get extra bodies around Forss I’d rather we go 4-2-3-1. That way we have a back 4 and a couple of holding midfielders to keep us solid.

Agree it’s a game for experience at the back too.

Raya
Henrik Reid Pinnock Roerslev
Janelt Jensen
Canos JDS Fosu
Forss

Subs - Daniels, MBS, Ghoddos, Bryan, Zamburek and not sure who else is fit.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

Raya
HD (if fit) Reid Pinnock MBS
Jansen Janelt Zamburek
Fosu Forss Canos

Subs Daniels,Ghoddos,Bidstrup,Roeslev,Mbeumo etc

 

[magicbees]

If we were going to change formations to get extra bodies around Forss I’d rather we go 4-2-3-1. That way we have a back 4 and a couple of holding midfielders to keep us solid.

Agree it’s a game for experience at the back too.

Raya
Henrik Reid Pinnock Roerslev
Janelt Jensen
Canos JDS Fosu
Forss

Subs - Daniels, MBS, Ghoddos, Bryan, Zamburek and not sure who else is fit.

Cant agree with Forss upfront on his own.

 

[jlove]

In normal circumstances, I would completely agree but the worry is whether Forss can play as central striker in our normal formation playing our normal way. He looks like he needs someone alongside him to me. I also don't like the thought of MDS, Fosu or Roerslev at left back

He can be supported by the players around him without any formation change. Yesterday, Ghoddos should have got close more often, but he was caught up deeper with their high press, and both Mbeumo and Canós made themselves as useful as chocolate teapots... it's not difficult to follow the guide that, if the ball is on the opposite side, then move into the box to support the central player.

 

[Bridge Bee]

Cant agree with Forss upfront on his own.

If we’re going to hoof it up to him he has no chance. Even Toney struggles with the scraps he’s fed at times. Midfield need to get on the ball and pass it.

 

[hatfieldbee]

How did AFCW play when MF was playing for them? Certainly scored quite a few for them before injury struck.

 

[IslandBee]

He can be supported by the players around him without any formation change. Yesterday, Ghoddos should have got close more often, but he was caught up deeper with their high press, and both Mbeumo and Canós made themselves as useful as chocolate teapots... it's not difficult to follow the guide that, if the ball is on the opposite side, then move into the box to support the central player.

OK, we shall no doubt see because I expect TF to keep the formation the same. I am just not sure he has any really idea how to play with his back to goal.

 

[North London Bee]

How did AFCW play when MF was playing for them? Certainly scored quite a few for them before injury struck.

They played with two strikers. A system that best suits Forss IMO.

 

[shouldbee]

No Toney,Henry, probably Norgaard, Josh and HD not fully fit I can't see us getting much from the next 3/4 games.

By which time Shepherds Bush will be above us in the league

 

[Frothybaby]

Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock Roeslev
Janelt
JDS Jensen
Fosu Forss/Mbeumo Canos

Subs: Daniels, Ghoddos, MBS, Norgaard, Morgensen, Bidstrup, Mbeumo/Forss, Zamburek, Gordon

Happy for Roeslev to underlap Canos and score if he can get the chance. Push them back, make them defend. I wouldn't mind seeing Bryan get a go as striker, he can pick his own route to goal. However I also don't think Forss should be benched. so either, with the other to get good game time.

Really difficult conundrum. What I really want is for the players to be hacked off with something like they were for the second play-off leg against Swansea. Whether it's bad luck, the system, the amount of games or having the best team, but unable to field it in one go. Get focussed and don't let Wednesday score. I do believe if we put in a top performance for the first 60 minutes we will get at least one goal. We then will probably have to make subs and keep Weds in their half for the other 35 minutes.

Stoke will have to wait, but we need those that won't be intimidated to play that game, but with the same focus and belief. Play for your teammates.

 

[londondude]

Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock
Roerslev DaSilva Jensen Fosu
Canos Forss Mbeumo

Subs
9 others

 

[Delbee]

Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock Roeslev
Janelt
JDS Jensen
Fosu Forss/Mbeumo Canos

Subs: Daniels, Ghoddos, MBS, Norgaard, Morgensen, Bidstrup, Mbeumo/Forss, Zamburek, Gordon

Happy for Roeslev to underlap Canos and score if he can get the chance. Push them back, make them defend. I wouldn't mind seeing Bryan get a go as striker, he can pick his own route to goal. However I also don't think Forss should be benched. so either, with the other to get good game time.

Really difficult conundrum. What I really want is for the players to be hacked off with something like they were for the second play-off leg against Swansea. Whether it's bad luck, the system, the amount of games or having the best team, but unable to field it in one go. Get focussed and don't let Wednesday score. I do believe if we put in a top performance for the first 60 minutes we will get at least one goal. We then will probably have to make subs and keep Weds in their half for the other 35 minutes.

Stoke will have to wait, but we need those that won't be intimidated to play that game, but with the same focus and belief. Play for your teammates.

I go with most of what you say, but I did put on earlier give Ghoddos a go as the main striker , not sure Forss is ready to be the main striker. I have been very critical of Ghoddos

We have to make sure we return to our passing game and stop to many long balls

 

[paulmaddy]

Raya
Henrik Reid Sorensen Pinnock
JDS Janelt Jensen
Fosu Forss Canos

Unless Pontus is suddenly fit, then those are our best four fit defenders and have to play albeit one of them needs to play left back obviously. Pinnock takes Rico's place for me. Left footed and hits a decent diagonal ball as well which will suit from there. Also think Reid's experience will work well next to MBS.

On current form, Fosu and Canos have to start ahead of Bryan.

 

[reheat104]

With Thomas stating that JDS is still suffering from a Hip Injury, I believe a fresh Zamburek will have to start, as we need as much energy in our midfield as possible. So my selection is....

Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock Sorensen
Janelt
Jensen. Zamburek
Fosu Forss. Canos


Subs Daniels, Ghoddos, JDS, Mbeumo, Roeselev, Norgaard/Stevens, Gilbert, Pressley, Bidstrup,

 

[djheavens]

JDS on the bench a no no for me. He needs to play himself into some form again.

 

[magicbees]

To me it has to be 3 5 2, with Ivan out. We need to get the best out Forss. So I would go.
Raya
Reed Pinnock Mads S
Canos Janelt Dasilva Jenson Fosu

Forss Mbuemo

 

[SH]

JDS on the bench a no no for me. He needs to play himself into some form again.

It’s fitness, not ‘form’... he’s nursing a hip injury.

 

[djheavens]

It’s fitness, not ‘form’... he’s nursing a hip injury.

It’s both I’d say.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

JDS on the bench a no no for me. He needs to play himself into some form again.

He is carrying an injury.

 

[Bridge Bee]

With Thomas stating that JDS is still suffering from a Hip Injury, I believe a fresh Zamburek will have to start, as we need as much energy in our midfield as possible. So my selection is....

Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock Sorensen
Janelt
Jensen. Zamburek
Fosu Forss. Canos


Subs Daniels, Ghoddos, JDS, Mbeumo, Roeselev, Norgaard/Stevens, Gilbert, Pressley, Bidstrup,

Jensen and Zamburek together. Too lightweight.

 

[nick logan]

------------------Raya

Dalsgaard---Reid---Pinnock----MBS

JDS------------Janelt----------Jensen

Fosu------------Forrs----------Canos

 

[lanzabee]

------------------Raya

Dalsgaard---Reid---Pinnock----MBS

JDS------------Janelt----------Jensen

Fosu------------Forrs----------Canos

Probable. In the unlikely event Norgard is back would go 3 4 3, CN and Janelt central mf. Reid, Henrik and Ethan back 3.

 

[vcmazz]

I wonder how Fosu would get on playing Toney's role? Might sound mad, but it worked for Watkins. Can't help thinking he might be a real menace.

 

[1889]

------------------Raya

Dalsgaard---Reid---Pinnock----MBS

JDS------------Janelt----------Jensen

Fosu------------Forrs----------Canos

This, all day long...

 

[cliffbee]

Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock Roeslev
Janelt
JDS Jensen
Fosu Forss/Mbeumo Canos

Subs: Daniels, Ghoddos, MBS, Norgaard, Morgensen, Bidstrup, Mbeumo/Forss, Zamburek, Gordon

Happy for Roeslev to underlap Canos and score if he can get the chance. Push them back, make them defend. I wouldn't mind seeing Bryan get a go as striker, he can pick his own route to goal. However I also don't think Forss should be benched. so either, with the other to get good game time.

Really difficult conundrum. What I really want is for the players to be hacked off with something like they were for the second play-off leg against Swansea. Whether it's bad luck, the system, the amount of games or having the best team, but unable to field it in one go. Get focussed and don't let Wednesday score. I do believe if we put in a top performance for the first 60 minutes we will get at least one goal. We then will probably have to make subs and keep Weds in their half for the other 35 minutes.

Stoke will have to wait, but we need those that won't be intimidated to play that game, but with the same focus and belief. Play for your teammates.

I'd say that's pretty much spot on. No sense in switching to three at the back. The problem is injuries and temporary loss of confidence, not formation. Pinnock is our best CB and an experienced player alongside him last season made him a better player. I'd play him as LCB with Reid alongside in most games till Pontus is back. JDS and Fosu simply have to play based on ability and form. Mbuemo isnt doing enough to start regularly. Forss didn't get in the game on Saturday but had poor service and is obviously rusty as he's hardly played a full game all season. He should be given at the the next two games to prove himself but there's no point lumping the ball to him as he's not that kind of striker. He needs to start competing for headers though as he frequently wasn't even getting off the ground on Saturday. The real problem position is LB as we should never have left ourselves without proper cover by loaning Dom. It's a tossup between Rasmussen and Sorensen. You either have a natural fullback playing on wrong side or a natural CB who isn't great running with the ball. I'd give Rasmussen a go, but he needs to be told to attack the full back at pace like he did last season, not keep ducking it and passing inside as he did on Saturday.
That basically leaves Sorensen, Ghoddos and Mbuemo on bench and everyone else who's fit playing.
It's looking a lot less good than a week ago but two wins this week would probably make us favourite again for second promotion place. Swansea got thrashed on Saturday, had a player stretchered off and should have lost to Forest, so they're struggling too. Watford are obviously the other rival now but if we can match them for the next month, by which time we'll hopefully have all the important injured players back, I'd definitely fancy us to finish above them

 

[Delbee]

I wonder how Fosu would get on playing Toney's role? Might sound mad, but it worked for Watkins. Can't help thinking he might be a real menace.

So doing that it would open up the chance for Zamburek as the wide player