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This has to be a clean sheet. They have two slow lumps up front in Paterson and Rhodes although, on his day, Kadeem Harris is pretty sharp which might mean MBS is kept away from playing at LB, and Adam Reach always has the capacity to strike from long-range. I wouldn't expect them to trouble us as much as the last three sides we have met and we should be able to negotiate this game safely. Provided we don't isolate Forss we should be OK. Strongest side possible, no experimentation.
Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock Roerslev
DaSilva Jensen Janelt
Mbeumo Forss Canos
 

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This has to be a clean sheet. They have two slow lumps up front in Paterson and Rhodes although, on his day, Kadeem Harris is pretty sharp which might mean MBS is kept away from playing at LB, and Adam Reach always has the capacity to strike from long-range. I wouldn't expect them to trouble us as much as the last three sides we have met and we should be able to negotiate this game safely. Provided we don't isolate Forss we should be OK. Strongest side possible, no experimentation.
Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock Roerslev
DaSilva Jensen Janelt
Mbeumo Forss Canos
With you on that selection other than Mbeumo, personally I’d rather see Fosu start.
 

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Imo, with the players we have available our best shout is a 532, however we don't have the time on the training pitch to get the intricacies ironed out to do it effectively, if we did then a team off.

Raya
Daalsgard-Reid-MBS-Pinnock-Fosu
Janelt
DaSilva-Jensen
Ghoddos/Mbeumo/Sergi
Forss
Would be best, have a pick from Ghoddos, Mbuemo or Sergi who you want playing off Forss, which hopefully wouldn't see him as isolated.

However as I said we don't have the time to just chuck the formation together, so will Frank stick with a 433? If he does he's got big questions at left back.
1)Play Gordon from the B team, the only natural left back we have in the squad however its a big ask for a young player to come into a leaky defence, in a team that's playing poorly. This however would be my preferred choice if we stay 433.
2)Plays Mads at LB like how we ended the game, I don't like this idea. We looked more defensively assured however I beleive that was more to do with Reid and Pinnock at CB (more on that later), Mads hadn't got the pace or defensive nuance to deal with a winger standing him up, also has the drama of poor distribution and no attacking support to our stuttering attack.
2)Fosu at left back? Sure he's played there before, played well however its imperative he's in the front 3 for me due to the form of our other wingers.
3)Roerslev at left back? Please no, looked awful in his preferred position at the weekend, let's not destroy his confidence by following that up with asking him to play out of position.

Secondly we have the dramas at CB if we persist with the 433, IMO Mads has to go, we're shunting Pinnock out of position, which is making him play poorer, to accommodate Mads, when we've got Reid on the bench who could come in and offer some more leadership, I don't get it

Thirdly the drama with out front 3, Forss doesn't look suited, at all to being the line striker, so we need to get players closer to support him, however Sergi and Mbuemo look horrendously out of touch which is only exacerbating whatever frailties that Forss has, Fosu has to start in the front 3 if we play it, but that means one position is still up for grabs, playing Ghoddos out there? A possibility.

Or course Frank could go back to his 523 formation which he's favoured in the past, IMO this is the worst of all scenarios, please for the love of god don't do this Thomas.

Sorry for the long post!
 

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Zamburek isn’t the answer. It’s either a back 5 as some have said or same formation

Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock Fosu
Da Silva Janelt Jensen
Mbeumo Forss Canos

Some should probably be rested on current form but unfortunately we haven’t got the options. Hopefully it clicks again and we get a big result, after all we know they are all capable. Cmon bees 🐝🐝
 
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Zamburek isn’t the answer. It’s either a back 5 as some have said or same formation

Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock Fosu
Da Silva Janelt Jensen
Mbeumo Forss Canos

Some should probably be rested on current form but unfortunately we haven’t got the options. Hopefully it clicks again and we get a big result, after all we know they are all capable. Cmon bees 🐝🐝
[/QUOTE. I would go for this line up, think it’s the best available to us would prefer Fosu further forward but will do a good job for us in defence as he did before
 

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Depends on the question......:owusu:
The one thing the Wednesday team appear not to be is mobile, so the right question is: which players in our squad are fit and mobile to cause their team problems.
 

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The one thing the Wednesday team appear not to be is mobile, so the right question is: which players in our squad are fit and mobile to cause their team problems.
I'd agree with that.
Against Stoke we'll need our most robust side IMHO.
Think both games we will face a parked bus and both opponents would be delighted with a 0-0.
Hopefully we can overcome these challenges and then on to Norwich, which should be a decent spectacle
 

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I'd agree with that.
Against Stoke we'll need our most robust side IMHO.
Think both games we will face a parked bus and both opponents would be delighted with a 0-0.
Hopefully we can overcome these challenges and then on to Norwich, which should be a decent spectacle
I think that both will be different, as you note. It appears Wednesday don't concede vast numbers but also score even less, so their ambition may be 0-0, but... they do juggle around with formations and personnel as nothing really seems to work for them. It's a game where we need to be in their faces to keep our confidence higher than theirs.

Stoke will be a very different challenge as they're much more a solidly organised team with a clear plan.
 

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Personally with the players available I would go 3-5-2 . allows Ghoddos to get closer to Forss so he’s not isolated plus gives Sorensen a rest.
Raya

Daalsgard
Reid
Pinnock

Fosu
Jensen
Janelt
Dasilva
Canos

Ghoddos
Forss
With Fosu and Canos almost as advanced wing backs?
 

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Personally with the players available I would go 3-5-2 . allows Ghoddos to get closer to Forss so he’s not isolated plus gives Sorensen a rest.
Raya

Daalsgard
Reid
Pinnock

Fosu
Jensen
Janelt
Dasilva
Canos

Ghoddos
Forss
I like the look of this. With Ghoddos dropping deeper to link the play like the 10 that he is. 3-5-1-1 at times.
 

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I like the look of this. With Ghoddos dropping deeper to link the play like the 10 that he is. 3-5-1-1 at times.
I rather Ghoddas wasnt in the first 11. For me to get the best out of Marcus we need to play 2 upfront and Ghoddas wouldnt be the second.
 

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I'm not sure SWed has the mobility to hard press in the same way Barnsley & Coventry did so I expect them to sit deeper. That means we are going to need to unlock them and have our best passers on the field. So for Jenson and probably Ghoddos need to play in midfield, with Janelt sitting behind them. Canos & Fosu upfront with Forss but they need to be ready to move inside to support Marcus so maybe Bryan would have been the better choice if he wasn't so out of form.

I don't really have any preference of MBS or Roerslev at LB, although given that we need to forwards to work inside, we will need to generate width from our fullbacks so maybe Roerslev gets the nod.

Either way Pinnock needs to play a LCB to support whoever plays on his left, so Reid starts at RCB with Dalsgaard at RB.

Although not during this run of form, SWed at home would have been a good chance to see what Gordon can offer. Maybe as a sub later on if the game is going our way.

Either way stop playing so many long diagonals! None of the front 3 can hold the ball up consistently enough to retain possession, something we were very guilty of against Coventry.

Subs depends on who is fit...Daniels, MBS. JDS, Mbeumo, Bidstrup, Pressley, Gordon (or Stevens), Gilbert
 

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Ivan Toney definitely out, but not as bad as first thought.
Rico Henry out for 2 months.
Pontus available around the international break
Marcondes close
Norgaard getting very close
JDS carrying some problems.
Forss had concussion.
 

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Ivan Toney definitely out, but not as bad as first thought.
Rico Henry out for 2 months.
Pontus available around the international break
Marcondes close
Norgaard getting very close
JDS carrying some problems.
Forss had concussion.
Source?
 

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Forss out too now? F me. Now what? Elvis up top?
If we didn't have so many senior players out I'd say Pressley was guaranteed to start but TF might not want to chuck another b teamer on for the debut.

Personally I'd give him a shot, he's a big unit of a lad so he's got more chance of holding the ball than Forss.
 

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Lack of true Squad depth biting now, I reck; give Pressley a go; Sergi to take over if it doesn't look like being effective.
 

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If we didn't have so many senior players out I'd say Pressley was guaranteed to start but TF might not want to chuck another b teamer on for the debut.

Personally I'd give him a shot, he's a big unit of a lad so he's got more chance of holding the ball than Forss.
Yeah I look the look of him too. But I guess that's based on about 3 mins playing time.
 

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If that's the storey and Forss is out, then I would play Bryan/Canos/Fosu as a front three. Pressley can come on to change it up if needed. Worrying all the injuries, but not long (except Pontus, Henry and Baptiste).
 

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Thomas Frank is doing his pre match interview so there's a few twitter accounts posting up parts from it.
The concussion to Forss will keep him out tomorrow

Looks like we will be playing with a false 9, which will make a change from recently playing with a false 7 (Bryan), a false 8 (Jensen),
a false 10 (Ghoddos) and a false 11 in Canos. :cool::sneakoff:
 

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Ah ha; self evidently don't know how relevant it is to the Owls but here is the video fm the OS that says it is the B Team boys preparing for Luton tomorrow; don't know when it is shot but Elvis the Striker features prominently in it . . . . .; you might think that, if he were going to start tomorrow night, he would have trained with the FT.

 

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Play Bryan down the middle with Canos & Fosu in support but have them rotate constantly to try and pull the CBs out of position. Would need MF (presumably Jensen and Ghoddos) to play forward to run into the gaps and support.
Really missing a fit JDS or even Marcondes who would be better in this role.
Pressley on the bench as plan B (or are we down to Plan Z now?)

Who knows, maybe it'll work, Bryan will bag a hat-trick and we have our next star striker!
 

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Ah ha; self evidently don't know how relevant it is to the Owls but here is the video fm the OS that says it is the B Team boys preparing for Luton tomorrow; don't know when it is shot but Elvis the Striker features prominently in it . . . . .; you might think that, if he were going to start tomorrow night, he would have trained with the FT.

I don't know close he to full fitness now but wasn't Mogensen considered a bit ahead of Pressley before his injury? Could he get a call up?
 

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Well we are running out of fit players at the moment so I have revised my team as follows:

Raya
MBS
Reid
Pinnock
Dalsgaard
Jensen
Zamburek
Janelt
Fosu
Canos
Ghoddos (false 9)

Bench - Daniels, Dasilva, Mbuemo plus 6 * B team....
 

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Dalsgaard Roeslev

Bryan Da Silva Jenson Janelt Fosu
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Bryan Da Silva Jenson Janelt Fosu
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Unfortunately we are only allowed 11 players. Put DaSilva on the bench (TF has said he won't start) and that could be a decent shout.
 

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Change already as Da Silva also injured. Just see who turns up and hope for the best. Almost down to last man standing.
 

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With Josh now also injured:

Raya
Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock MBS
Ghoddos Janelt Jensen
Mbeumo Canos Fosu

christ..... Any chance Norgaard will at least be back on the bench?
 

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Pressley's been on the bench quite a bit recently, big, strong and energetic, so I'd start him. It needs a player who will know the role as a central attacker and he ought to be able to hold the ball up better than Canós or Mbeumo. The midfield is self-selecting so the next question is left back...
 

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Put each players name on a card throw them in the air and the ones that land face up play😂😂😂
 

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Canos, Henrik, Reid, Pinnock, Fosu
Janelt, Ghoddas, Jenson
Mbuemo, Pressley


Can't think of anything else.
 

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Well, this is going to be a test. I wonder whether TF will try to keep our normal shape or mix it up a lot given how few regular players are around. I haven’t the foggiest what the best thing to do with the few players fit and available would be! At least this gives us the element of surprise and perhaps might make opponents underestimate us.

I think an argument might be made for going to 3CBs as we actually do have 3 good fit CBs and this did work for TF when coming out of his initial horrible run. But other than Pressley we have no fit striker so do we throw him in or use someone else, eg Ghoddos, who has some experience in that position, convert Mbeumo? Is our realistic expectation to be going for the wins while we’re short or just to shore things up? I suspect philosophically the former, the only time ever we’ve done the latter in 7 seasons is under Carsley.

On that basis...
Raya
Pinnock Reid MBS
Janelt Jensen (c)
Dalsgaard Mbeumo Canos Fosu
Ghoddos
 

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Pressley's been on the bench quite a bit recently, big, strong and energetic, so I'd start him. It needs a player who will know the role as a central attacker and he ought to be able to hold the ball up better than Canós or Mbeumo. The midfield is self-selecting so the next question is left back...
didn't someone say hes with the b team
 

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