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Right then, onto the next.

I’m guessing the only point of contention for most will be which of Jensen/Onyeka/Ghoddos/Baptiste plays in midfield alongside Norgaard and Janelt.

Here’s how I’d line up:

Raya
Ajer Jansson Pinnock
Norgaard
Canos Baptiste Janelt Henry
Mbeumo Toney

Depending on game state I would be tempted to bring on Wissa or Forss at some stage for one of the CMs to test out a 3-4-3.

Don’t think Onyeka or Jensen impressed enough off the bench to take the shirt off Baptiste.
 

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Right then, onto the next.

I’m guessing the only point of contention for most will be which of Jensen/Onyeka/Ghoddos/Baptiste plays in midfield alongside Norgaard and Janelt.

Here’s how I’d line up:

Raya
Ajer Jansson Pinnock
Norgaard
Canos Baptiste Janelt Henry
Mbeumo Toney

Depending on game state I would be tempted to bring on Wissa or Forss at some stage for one of the CMs to test out a 3-4-3.

Don’t think Onyeka or Jensen impressed enough off the bench to take the shirt off Baptiste.

Raya
Ajer Jansson Pinnock
Canos Onyeka Norgaard Janelt Henry
Mbeumo Toney
 
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I think that's the team but I'm worried at the lack of chances we've created so far this season. It's not a creative midfield that is it, probably right for away to Wolves tho.
To be honest, i think Tony shouldn't fall back this much only the get the ball. He must stay more up on the pitch, while Mbeumo comes back deeper. While both can score nice goals, i think Tony is the better goal scorer by miles but somehow the roles have switched it seems. Tony didn't really have any clear cut chances against Brighton, apart from the one he tried from halfway.. this should be addressed in training in my oppinion.
 

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The solid but uncreative midfield will persist on kick off at Wolves, it has to as we'd be dominated in many Prem games otherwise. Not quite sure how you get Jensen or other creative players into the plan effectively and perhaps Thomas Frank's late in game plan when it's a little slower may be the only way for now.

Perhaps Jensen needs to take Onyeka, Janelt, Norgaard and Baptiste aside and keep them back late after training for some extra through ball practice? 😋
 
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The solid but uncreative midfield will persist on kick off at Wolves, it has to as we'd be dominated in many Prem games otherwise. Not quite sure how you get Jensen or other creative players into the plan effectively and perhaps Thomas Frank's late in game plan when it's a little slower may be the only way for now.

Perhaps Jensen needs to take Onyeka, Janelt, Norgaard and Baptiste aside and keep them back late after training for some extra through ball practice? 😋

I think playing too conservative will bite us in the finger in the end, we want to get the most points out of teams like Brighton. We are a Premier League team and we are here to stay many seasons from now. I wish Frank lined up with a 352 formation instead of a 343 to have that extra 1 man advantage in the middle of the park.
 

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I think that's the team but I'm worried at the lack of chances we've created so far this season. It's not a creative midfield that is it, probably right for away to Wolves tho.
I was saying it on here nefore the season started. I like our defence ,our attack and our solidity, but couldn't see where level of creativity was coming from. Nothing has changed my mind.
 

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To be honest, i think Tony shouldn't fall back this much only the get the ball. He must stay more up on the pitch, while Mbeumo comes back deeper. While both can score nice goals, i think Tony is the better goal scorer by miles but somehow the roles have switched it seems. Tony didn't really have any clear cut chances against Brighton, apart from the one he tried from halfway.. this should be addressed in training in my oppinion.
Toney doesn't have the pace to get in behind the same way Mbeumo does
 

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To be honest, i think Tony shouldn't fall back this much only the get the ball. He must stay more up on the pitch, while Mbeumo comes back deeper. While both can score nice goals, i think Tony is the better goal scorer by miles but somehow the roles have switched it seems. Tony didn't really have any clear cut chances against Brighton, apart from the one he tried from halfway.. this should be addressed in training in my oppinion.
We do play a 3-5-2
 

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I was saying it on here nefore the season started. I like our defence ,our attack and our solidity, but couldn't see where level of creativity was coming from. Nothing has changed my mind.

I’m hoping over the course of the season Jensen, Ghoddas and Baptise will provide it.
 

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Ajer Jansson Pinnock
Canos Jensen Norgaard Onyeka Henry
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To be honest, i think Tony shouldn't fall back this much only the get the ball. He must stay more up on the pitch, while Mbeumo comes back deeper. While both can score nice goals, i think Tony is the better goal scorer by miles but somehow the roles have switched it seems. Tony didn't really have any clear cut chances against Brighton, apart from the one he tried from halfway.. this should be addressed in training in my oppinion.
I think if we play our most solid midfield of Norgaard, Janelt and Onyeka the need or temptation for Toney to drop back deep to win the ball is reduced. Or having Ghoddos instead of either Vitaly or Frank for a more forward midfielder who can move up in support of Mbeumo if we do want Toney to drop back.
 

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I think if we play our most solid midfield of Norgaard, Janelt and Onyeka the need or temptation for Toney to drop back deep to win the ball is reduced. Or having Ghoddos instead of either Vitaly or Frank for a more forward midfielder who can move up in support of Mbeumo if we do want Toney to drop back.
He's been doing that more because he's not getting played in rather having to win the ball...
 

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IMO only issue is whether to play Baptiste,Onyeka or Jenson as a starter. Rest of team the same. Given the need to maintain our press against a very good side, I'd start with Onyeka. Baptiste to sub when necessary. I'm afraid that Jensen contributed nothing when he came on IMO.
 

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I wonder whether we'll play a bit more on the counter in this one? We clearly can't keep up the intensity of press that we've been starting with so we need to be a bit more savvy and pick and choose when to go and when to sit back.. I'd be tempted to play Jensen with two 'generals' so he can pick out players on the counter and get the wing backs in behind their defence.

Raya, Canos, Ajer, Pontus, Pinnock, Henry, Norgaard, Onyeka, Jensen, Mbeumo, Toney.

Subs: Fernandez, Roerslev, Zanka, Baptiste, Janelt, Ghoddos, Forss, Thompson, Wissa
 

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Right then, onto the next.

I’m guessing the only point of contention for most will be which of Jensen/Onyeka/Ghoddos/Baptiste plays in midfield alongside Norgaard and Janelt.

Here’s how I’d line up:

Raya
Ajer Jansson Pinnock
Norgaard
Canos Baptiste Janelt Henry
Mbeumo Toney

Depending on game state I would be tempted to bring on Wissa or Forss at some stage for one of the CMs to test out a 3-4-3.

Don’t think Onyeka or Jensen impressed enough off the bench to take the shirt off Baptiste.
Just noticed you had left FTT out, so I would go with Downbeat Bees selection.
 

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Wolves play 3-4-3 lets match it up. Need to start actually looking like we may score a goal!

......................Raya
.........Ajer Jansson Pinnock
Canos Onyenka Norgaard Henry
.........Mbeumo Toney Wissa
 

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I think playing too conservative will bite us in the finger in the end, we want to get the most points out of teams like Brighton. We are a Premier League team and we are here to stay many seasons from now. I wish Frank lined up with a 352 formation instead of a 343 to have that extra 1 man advantage in the middle of the park.
:nono:
 

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Wolves play 3-4-3 lets match it up. Need to start actually looking like we may score a goal!

......................Raya
.........Ajer Jansson Pinnock
Canos Onyenka Norgaard Henry
.........Mbeumo Toney Wissa

I think we might see that at home against Cat B teams but not on Saturday. I would expect the same team, with perhaps Shandon or Vitaly dropping out for Frank, though neither did very much wrong.
 

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Of the back three id have Pinnock (rather than Ajer) on the RHS supporting Canos, would be a more equal line up against Traore who tends to attack down the LW.
 

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Course he wont be , been excellent and is our captain

Excellent leadership and organisation skills. He was telling Ajer to put the ball into the box quicker when he went on his runs. Pontus was really annoyed about conceding that last minute goal too.
 

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Of the back three id have Pinnock (rather than Ajer) on the RHS supporting Canos, would be a more equal line up against Traore who tends to attack down the LW.

Apperently, Traore is the fastest player in the Premiership (off 40 yards and with or without the ball).
 

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probably because he failed to get a block in on the shot.

Watching back, it looks like Jensen is the wrong side if his man too. Disapointing to loose that as we should have had another point.

Off topic (sorry), but Watford and Norwich lost too. Hopefully, we put it right at Wolves and get at least a point.

COYB
 

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Watching back, it looks like Jensen is the wrong side if his man too. Disapointing to loose that as we should have had another point.

Off topic (sorry), but Watford and Norwich lost too. Hopefully, we put it right at Wolves and get at least a point.

COYB
Unfortunately it was a succession of mistakes at just the wrong time. Norgaard could have got a boot in but pulled out and we had a fair few chances to get a foot in.
 

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Unfortunately it was a succession of mistakes at just the wrong time. Norgaard could have got a boot in but pulled out and we had a fair few chances to get a foot in.
It shouldn't have been down to Pontus to stop Trossard. Seeing as we were sitting so deep, at least one of our midfielders should have been between him and the goal. He was given far too much space to get his shot away although it was Pontus who almost blocked it. I would have Onyeka back for Baptiste on Saturday and would look to Wissa as a substitute later on if necessary.
 

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It shouldn't have been down to Pontus to stop Trossard. Seeing as we were sitting so deep, at least one of our midfielders should have been between him and the goal. He was given far too much space to get his shot away although it was Pontus who almost blocked it. I would have Onyeka back for Baptiste on Saturday and would look to Wissa as a substitute later on if necessary.
That's literally his job... :confused:
 

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That's literally his job... :confused:
There were midfielders in front of him who should have been quicker to intervene. Trossard had pretty fast feet but Pontus was really close to getting in the way of the shot. Small margins and all that.
 

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There were midfielders in front of him who should have been quicker to intervene. Trossard had pretty fast feet but Pontus was really close to getting in the way of the shot. Small margins and all that.
Trossard received the ball on the edge of the box just in front of Pontus. Agree others could have stopped the ball getting to him there but by the time he got on the ball Pontus was the nearest man. Much like henry and Pinnock v palace he didn’t react quick enough and couldn’t quite get his foot in. Looking back at the goal it’s a bit unlucky really as their man who’s marked by Frank, slips which enables him to toe the ball to the oncoming player who then supplied Trossard. Frustrating all round but as you say, fine margins
 

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Apperently, Traore is the fastest player in the Premiership (off 40 yards and with or without the ball).
I find it amusing that they literally grease Traore’s arms up because so many defenders resort to trying to hold him to stop him running.
 

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From very limited experience of watching Traore; he runs very fast down the wing until he gets to the byline and then falls over. Will no doubt come back to bite me on Saturday!

He used to do this but his final pass/shot is much improved. He will be a massive threat Saturday!
 
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I find it amusing that they literally grease Traore’s arms up because so many defenders resort to trying to hold him to stop him running.
Wolves fan in peace. Traore started greasing his arms with baby oil because he had big issues with a dislocated shoulder the back end of the 19/20 sesaon. He dislocated it 4 times during matches and defenders picked up on it. Against Man Utd Harry Maguire deliberately yanked his arm and dislocated it. It must have worked because it hasn't happened since!

Looking forward to playing you guys again. Always looked out for your results after the season we spent in League 1 together.
 

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Wolves fan in peace. Traore started greasing his arms with baby oil because he had big issues with a dislocated shoulder the back end of the 19/20 sesaon. He dislocated it 4 times during matches and defenders picked up on it. Against Man Utd Harry Maguire deliberately yanked his arm and dislocated it. It must have worked because it hasn't happened since!

Looking forward to playing you guys again. Always looked out for your results after the season we spent in League 1 together.
Hadn't known about that. I think we all expect a very tough game. Spent whole earlier just looking at your previous results and match reviews seems like performances have been good? But results not matched it?
 

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Hadn't known about that. I think we all expect a very tough game. Spent whole earlier just looking at your previous results and match reviews seems like performances have been good? But results not matched it?
They’ve had three games where on xG they were on top but conceded to lose 1-0. Very Brentford early season 19-20. It’ll be a tough game but maybe their heads will drop with “oh no not again” if we withstand the pressure and nick one.
 
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Hadn't known about that. I think we all expect a very tough game. Spent whole earlier just looking at your previous results and match reviews seems like performances have been good? But results not matched it?
The performances in the first 3 games were very good indeed, we outplayed Leicester for most of the game, Spurs for pretty much the whole 90 mins and Man Utd for large parts. Ironically the win against Watford was probably the least impressive of the 4 games. Our problem has been converting the chances. We've had 71 shots at goal so far and scored 2, one of which was an OG!

We've switched from Nuno's deep defence and quick counter-attack to essentially a 3-4-3 with a high press and a lot more possession. The emphasis has been pretty much on constant attack and getting the ball back quickly if we lose it. The wing backs are still in play although the LWB, Marcal, is primarily a defensive player. Neves is playing much further up the field this season and is having a much bigger influence in an attacking sense. Jimenez isn't yet up to speed and understandably hasn't been the same player he was before the injury.

If there are no injuries I'd imagine our team will be

Sa
Saiss
Coady
Kilman
Semedo
Marcal
Moutinho
Neves
Traore
Jimenez
Trincao
 

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Saw the game v spurs, incredible. Wonder if WW will be this seasons Brighton from last season. I would like us to go with same side as v Villa. Oyenka and Baptiste to add energy when we start flagging. Jensen needs game time to get up to speed, but he often needs a lot of games to reach his optimum. Would like to see Wissa get time as well. Difficult choice for the midfield.
 

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1 change for me, Onyeka for Baptiste. Onyeka was fantastic first 2 games, and results with him in the side speak for themselves. Wolves are a very energetic side from what I saw when I watched them play vs United and Spurs, we need someone quick and tenacious like Frank in there.
 
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