The Ashes 2021/22

Holysmit

Well-known member
Joined
22 Feb 2001
Messages
13,118
Reaction score
2,315
Location
West London
I've always said Buttler is a sh*t wicket keeper and not a test player.
 
OP
Untouchable

Untouchable

Once called a bastard by a Judge
Joined
5 May 2014
Messages
8,181
Reaction score
15,775
Should have been a 5 year ban.
At least. Personally I’d go further and ban for life any pro who cheats and undermines the integrity of the game. Although I doubt many would take a line as hard as the one I do.
 

Inappropriate Smilies Bee

Well-known member
Joined
16 Apr 2003
Messages
16,130
Reaction score
2,855
Location
SE13
Hopefully wake up to 8 (eight) BBC wicket notifications tomorrow morning and their two new bowlers are rubbish.
 

Inappropriate Smilies Bee

Well-known member
Joined
16 Apr 2003
Messages
16,130
Reaction score
2,855
Location
SE13
At least. Personally I’d go further and ban for life any pro who cheats and undermines the integrity of the game. Although I doubt many would take a line as hard as the one I do.
If their bowlers swing it more than our bowlers it will be extremely suspicious.
 

Gazza Bee

Active member
Joined
27 Jan 2001
Messages
9,484
Reaction score
1,946
Location
City: Sunbury State: Surrey
Not a good start - first chance was not even a half chance but the last one was a dolly and any club wicketkeeper should be taking those. Probably looking at another 400+ score and scoreboard pressure - need early wickets and to limit below 350 really.
 

whyteleafebee76

Active member
Joined
17 Mar 2011
Messages
8,475
Reaction score
1,198
Location
Selsdon
I thought we got it tactically spot on initially, tight bowling slow the scoring, nick a wicket and then utilise the conditions under the lights.

However, when the lights started to take effect we seemed to change tactic and went for a spell of short pitched bowling. Surely that was the time to continue probing on or around off stump trying to get them to nick off.

I gave up by the last hour.
 

IslandBee

Now Off-Island Bee
Joined
29 Sep 2009
Messages
7,976
Reaction score
2,276
Location
Hampshire
I thought we got it tactically spot on initially, tight bowling slow the scoring, nick a wicket and then utilise the conditions under the lights.

However, when the lights started to take effect we seemed to change tactic and went for a spell of short pitched bowling. Surely that was the time to continue probing on or around off stump trying to get them to nick off.

I gave up by the last hour.

I have zero faith in Silverwood and his acolytes tbh. Comparing his situation with football, can you imagine someone with hardly any international experience as a player and only one year's experience as a manager/coach of a prem team being made England football manger?
 

GP200

Voice of the mysterons...
Joined
22 Apr 2003
Messages
68,181
Reaction score
2,138
Location
3d Jazz Mart-Motorcity.......
I have zero faith in Silverwood and his acolytes tbh. Comparing his situation with football, can you imagine someone with hardly any international experience as a player and only one year's experience as a manager/coach of a prem team being made England football manger?
...........Sam Allardyce...............
 

IslandBee

Now Off-Island Bee
Joined
29 Sep 2009
Messages
7,976
Reaction score
2,276
Location
Hampshire
...........Sam Allardyce...............

Long career as manager in the Prem, including taking Bolton into Europe.
 

whyteleafebee76

Active member
Joined
17 Mar 2011
Messages
8,475
Reaction score
1,198
Location
Selsdon
I have zero faith in Silverwood and his acolytes tbh. Comparing his situation with football, can you imagine someone with hardly any international experience as a player and only one year's experience as a manager/coach of a prem team being made England football manger?

I agree regarding Silverwood but we did have two bowlers with 1000 test wickets between them on the pitch they should have been saying how we should be bowling.
 

Indian Bee

Well-known member
Joined
10 Feb 2001
Messages
11,841
Reaction score
6,968
Location
Manhattan
I agree regarding Silverwood but we did have two bowlers with 1000 test wickets between them on the pitch they should have been saying how we should be bowling.

The one area where I was a bit confused is that Root bowling in the final session. The bowlers were picked explicitly for the day/ night conditions so why was Root bowling?
 

whyteleafebee76

Active member
Joined
17 Mar 2011
Messages
8,475
Reaction score
1,198
Location
Selsdon
The one area where I was a bit confused is that Root bowling in the final session. The bowlers were picked explicitly for the day/ night conditions so why was Root bowling?

Yes I was going to rant about that as well. 5 seamers should have been rotating all through that last session.
 

Inappropriate Smilies Bee

Well-known member
Joined
16 Apr 2003
Messages
16,130
Reaction score
2,855
Location
SE13
The one area where I was a bit confused is that Root bowling in the final session. The bowlers were picked explicitly for the day/ night conditions so why was Root bowling?
I think it was to get through the 80 overs quicker & get more overs with the new ball later on.
 

Judio1999

Moderator
Joined
11 Apr 2011
Messages
12,291
Reaction score
1,461
A Brilliant Catch and
An Awful Shot

That was the only 2 wickets.....
 

bees1984

Active member
Joined
22 Jun 2015
Messages
1,264
Reaction score
470
The one area where I was a bit confused is that Root bowling in the final session. The bowlers were picked explicitly for the day/ night conditions so why was Root bowling?
So they could get through the overs quicker and get the new ball to bowl under the lights
 

IslandBee

Now Off-Island Bee
Joined
29 Sep 2009
Messages
7,976
Reaction score
2,276
Location
Hampshire
I agree regarding Silverwood but we did have two bowlers with 1000 test wickets between them on the pitch they should have been saying how we should be bowling.

I hope they are encouraged to have such an input.
 

whyteleafebee76

Active member
Joined
17 Mar 2011
Messages
8,475
Reaction score
1,198
Location
Selsdon
So they could get through the overs quicker and get the new ball to bowl under the lights

So why did Root not bowl 10-11 overs before the tea break, get through the overs then and maximise the more favourable conditions under the lights with the seamers.
 

bees1984

Active member
Joined
22 Jun 2015
Messages
1,264
Reaction score
470
So why did Root not bowl 10-11 overs before the tea break, get through the overs then and maximise the more favourable conditions under the lights with the seamers.
Agreed. Maybe he regrets that decision now but was probably hoping the seamers would be better placed to take wickets with a slightly newer ball earlier and then bowl his overs once it has really died?
 

whyteleafebee76

Active member
Joined
17 Mar 2011
Messages
8,475
Reaction score
1,198
Location
Selsdon
Agreed. Maybe he regrets that decision now but was probably hoping the seamers would be better placed to take wickets with a slightly newer ball earlier and then bowl his overs once it has really died?

Possibly. Just feels that we are muddled in our thinking, from selection to tactics.
 

bees1984

Active member
Joined
22 Jun 2015
Messages
1,264
Reaction score
470
Possibly. Just feels that we are muddled in our thinking, from selection to tactics.
I think the initial tactics have been OK but Australia have had some luck and we have dropped a few catches at important times....Buttler the perfect example today. If those chances were taken then we may be talking differently about the tactics. As it is some of it does raise an eyebrow
 

RAF_Patto

Active member
Joined
16 Jun 2020
Messages
2,429
Reaction score
3,310
Location
Lincoln
I think this will Root's last tour as captain, some of the decisions made have been very questionable and with everyone left scratching their heads.

I love the guy, he's a great batsmen, but unfortunately I feel him and the management team aren't up to the job of getting England back to their best. It could be another decade before we get to the top again.
 

Les Beeavinu

Administrator
Joined
5 Aug 2002
Messages
60,248
Reaction score
9,107
Location
Sandhurst
Awkward isn't it, I'd put Buttler in every England team that takes the field but that drop was sh*t.
 

Indian Bee

Well-known member
Joined
10 Feb 2001
Messages
11,841
Reaction score
6,968
Location
Manhattan
So why did Root not bowl 10-11 overs before the tea break, get through the overs then and maximise the more favourable conditions under the lights with the seamers.

Exactly. They selected this team to utilise the night conditions. Seamers should only have been bowling in the final session, rather than 'waste' overs until the new ball.

I do find England very rigid in their selection for the last year. We don't always agree but even @super J agreed with me that it was bonkers to 'rest' Anderson for the 2nd test in India to 'manage' his workload for the day/ night test in the 3rd test after going 1-0 up. That pitched turned out to be spin friendly that even Root got 5-8. They have picked whom they wanted for Adelaide long time ago and that meant no 'spinner'. What really baffles me is that England all year in test matches have been picking the wrong side and managing players workload for the 'ashes' and then inexplicably' rest players like Anderson and Broad for the first test 'in the ashes'. Really finding it hard to work out.

England can still turn this around but need to be flexibly and pick players for each test as it comes. Leach shouldn't have played the first test but should have played in this test. Let's see how Lyon gets on later on.

A big first session on day 2 ahead.
 
OP
Untouchable

Untouchable

Once called a bastard by a Judge
Joined
5 May 2014
Messages
8,181
Reaction score
15,775
Never seen a drop from a keeper like that. It was actually in his gloves!
The good news is that it now replaces the Neal Maupay miss at Cardiff as the biggest sporting balls up ever.
 

Holysmit

Well-known member
Joined
22 Feb 2001
Messages
13,118
Reaction score
2,315
Location
West London
Awkward isn't it, I'd put Buttler in every England team that takes the field but that drop was sh*t.
I would pick him in every white ball side.

But not even consider him for tests. His keeping is poor and hes not scored enough runs to justify selection.
 

whyteleafebee76

Active member
Joined
17 Mar 2011
Messages
8,475
Reaction score
1,198
Location
Selsdon
I would like to have heard from a former keeper as to what happened. Technique at fault, or the gloves themselves. Could he not feel the ball properly?
More a lapse of concentration in my opinion. The gloves seem to work fine for 125 others that passed the edge previously.
 
OP
Untouchable

Untouchable

Once called a bastard by a Judge
Joined
5 May 2014
Messages
8,181
Reaction score
15,775
Jimmy gets Smith for 93.

Another cheat bites the dust.
 

Indian Bee

Well-known member
Joined
10 Feb 2001
Messages
11,841
Reaction score
6,968
Location
Manhattan
I can see Aussies batting for 10-12 overs after tea (if not bowled out) and will expect to have 20-22 overs tonight at England.
 

davido_i

Active member
Joined
5 Dec 2003
Messages
1,722
Reaction score
301
Location
Prague
Carey now gone, Aussie 390/7.....
You'd hope not too long until we are batting....against the pink ball.....under lights.....gulp!!
 

Inappropriate Smilies Bee

Well-known member
Joined
16 Apr 2003
Messages
16,130
Reaction score
2,855
Location
SE13
I would like to have heard from a former keeper as to what happened. Technique at fault, or the gloves themselves. Could he not feel the ball properly?
Matt Prior said in the studio to Sir Alastair Cook that he had just been saying “Don’t get lazy” to Buttler as he could see his concentration levels were dropping - he could tell by watching his footwork apparently.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top Bottom