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Not sure I have got time to read anything else on top of Netflix, Amazon, my Xbox and my Grisham books in my queue,
 

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I signed up a couple of months ago and have been disappointed with it. There is lots of interesting content but, naively, I thought a dedicated football site would have the time and space to go beyond the big clubs that dominate all the usual news stories and cover all levels of the game, including Leagues 1 and 2 and non league, in real depth.

Instead coverage is massively weighted towards the clubs that have assigned correspondents, which essentially means those in the PL and a handful of some of the larger clubs in the Championship. There is little or no coverage beyond that. So you get streams of stories on Derby, Fulham and Sheffield Wednesday, all of whom have dedicated reporters, but nothing at all on, say, Stoke, Middlesbrough or Huddersfield. If you want detailed coverage of specific clubs it's great, but it's not really a general site for balanced news coverage.
I'll agree the coverage of Brentford in Championship (and almost every team outside the ones you mention) is pretty poor. But I sort of expected that going in; their business model seems to be emulating the local partisan coverage that you used to have from local media before that all dried up in many areas, but again that was never a huge tradition for Brentford. They are worth it if you have multiple "homes", but probably not if you just want Brentford and e.g. England national team.
 

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I was with a journo pal on the weekend discussing the Athletic. He was describing it as the story behind the story, so exploring the inner workings of issues etc. Rather than breaking transfers / gossip, it apparently delves into the detail. Interestingly it’s apparently a terrible business model as losing substantial money.
But for the cost of less than a pint a month I reckon I’ll give it a try.
Interestingly, the news a month or so ago was the New York Times was looking to make a big move to acquire them... Losing money is hardly an obstacle these days for doubling in value 😂
 

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A good interview with Toney this morning. I went for the £29.99 Bees offer for the season.
 

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Oh dear, not a great start. I wish him well but some fact checks please!

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I had a trial of The Athletic but it just seems to be football hipsters turning out self-indulgent articles “Jurgen Klopp - how rejection at his 12th birthday party made him the manager he is today”, “Scrabble and Cheese - the secret behind Canvey Islands rise”, etc. etc.

Their writers never seem to be over the age of 25 either. Before The Athletic I think they could only be seen on uni campuses writing football Wordpress blogs as part of their Media Studies degrees.

Even if some of the articles are worth reading, sometimes you just want news rather than them firing hundreds of opinion and profile pieces at you every day. I like a wide range of sports so had golf, F1, NASCAR, NBA, Cricket, NFL, etc. on my feed and it was overwhelming how much they churn out, much of it without substance.
 

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Even if some of the articles are worth reading, sometimes you just want news rather than them firing hundreds of opinion and profile pieces at you every day.

To be fair though, there are tons of other news sites that do that. Their USP is that they get underneath and try to give deeper interviews, investigation and insight.
 

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To be fair though, there are tons of other news sites that do that. Their USP is that they get underneath and try to give deeper interviews, investigation and insight.

That’s a fair point, I just think if I’m paying I want it all in one place and can’t be arsed switching between apps and websites. The Guardian gives a good balance, but limited on the sports and teams they cover.
 

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Oliver Kay isn't straight out of uni he was chief football correspondant for the times for 10 years
 

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Oliver Kay isn't straight out of uni he was chief football correspondant for the times for 10 years
I know they pulled in some big names when they launched, but the majority are young from what I saw.
 

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They hired the best writers from other publications, and are now expanding that with younger journalists led by those experienced ones. It could be for cost cutting (hardly unreasonable) but I am in favour of giving young talent a platform to shine.

Hipster football news is a fantastic way to describe them! That is what they are. My advice is only read what interests you, they do churn out a lot so just click on the stuff that you find interesting. I wouldn't use it for 'news' though, you can get that anywhere. The deeper articles is what makes it worth it.
 

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In the comments the author of the story says he should have a transfer update tmr
 

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The article suggested that 'Josh Dasilva is slowly working his way back to full fitness', which we know on here to not be true. (He's working on not being on crutches).

But yes, for a first piece it's fine, he only joined on Monday. I'd expect deeper stuff to come out over the next few months.
Well, he is but very slowly...
 

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Decent preview of Brentford in the Grauniad too. So much publicity all of a sudden!
I think this was the most interesting section:

Trending topics​

“Toney should be in the England squad”

“Which manager will Frank have a set-to with?”

“Who will inflict the heaviest defeat”

”Should Varney be fired”

”The coffee was horrible. I’m never going again”

Obviously been taking their cues from the GPG 🎣
 

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Speaks well about us in a preview of our game on the Kelly & Wrighty show:

 

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He’s not going to slag us off. He needs player interviews.
No but considering that he is an Arsenal fan and is brand new he comes as well informed and firmly in our corner.
 

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His output since joining has been plentiful and pretty well researched, I'd say. I still haven't learned anything I didn't already know, but maybe that will come.
That sums up my view perfectly, Edmundo. Compared to anything else out there, I’ve been pleasantly surprised, so actually coughed up for a year’s subscription. As you say, once he builds trust, hopefully more will come.
 
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I would have liked to have seen a Brentford name get it, but clearly you have give people jobs based on their quality as individual journalists, not because they're a known Brentford journo. This is going out around the entire world.

Jay's articles have been really good so far, and he came across really well on TouchyGooners podcast when talking about tonight's game. He's not really said/put a foot wrong so he's clearly done his homework and as he gets to know the club even more behind the scenes over the coming season I think we'll all be really happy that he's covering us.

At this point his articles will be about getting the world to know Brentford, but fans will know the most at the moment. As he gets more behind the scenes stuff as the season goes on, he will surprise us.

He did also seem to take pride in talking about the sensory room we have to other people which is a nice touch.
 

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...and if you get your internet from BT and haven't been a subscriber before, you can have the first year FREE.
 

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I have been sent free trials by mates a couple of times but find The Athletic very dull and too wordy. Some of the journalists are from fanzine backgrounds and others like Phil Hay are such blinkered fans (of Leeds in his case) that there is a lack of objectivity. It is a difficult market to crack.
 
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I have been sent free trials by mates a couple of times but find The Athletic very dull and too wordy. Some of the journalists are from fanzine backgrounds and others like Phil Hay are such blinkered fans (of Leeds in his case) that there is a lack of objectivity. It is a difficult market to crack.
Did they not raid most national and local news agencies of their talent when starting out?
 

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Bees fans being crazy optimists in the latest Athletic article...............
 

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You've only got a few days, but if you're thinking of subscribing to BT Sport, they're offering a free 12 months subscription to "The Athletic":
BT Sport Monthly Pass | Contract Free BT Sport | BT

From what I can see, there is no minimum subscription term to BT Sport, so you may be able to cancel it after one month but retain The Atlantic?
 

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You've only got a few days, but if you're thinking of subscribing to BT Sport, they're offering a free 12 months subscription to "The Athletic":
BT Sport Monthly Pass | Contract Free BT Sport | BT

From what I can see, there is no minimum subscription term to BT Sport, so you may be able to cancel it after one month but retain The Atlantic?

Hope so cuz that's what I'm planning on doing ;)
 

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New podcast up
was literally just about to post this, about to give it a listen.
I was a little unsure whether to sign up but I did, and been impressed overall, found myself finding other topics across football world to read about too, not just Brentford. Definitely worth the subscription.
 

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Was a good listen you won't find out anything you don't already know but good to hear a feature length podcast on the bees hosted by non bees fans !
 

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You don’t need to sign up to the Athletic to listen to the podcasts!
 

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I find it difficult listening to this guy. He’s enthusiastic but new to Brentford and therefore under-researched.

He lacks the depth of knowledge, for example, to answer some of the key questions in the podcast. And what he does say is only about 90% accurate.

Still, great to have such dedicated coverage in the press.
 

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I find it difficult listening to this guy. He’s enthusiastic but new to Brentford and therefore under-researched.

He lacks the depth of knowledge, for example, to answer some of the key questions in the podcast. And what he does say is only about 90% accurate.

Still, great to have such dedicated coverage in the press.
He is full time though, so will be up to speed pretty quick.
 
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