Yes..very informative..thanksReally good effort here from Dave Twydell. Well worth a watch.
I'd be up for that when the time is right. Can we do cabs though? Walking seems a bit excessive. Or is that bit for charity?It’s good. Tough to do really.
Clifden and not “Clifton” though
Beesotted we’re going to do a heritage walk via the pubs Brentford used (with Fullers too) but, sadly, it never got off the ground because of C-19.
One of the Ait, The Griffin, The Plough, The Globe, The Plough, The Lord Nelson (as The Duke of York is no more), The Griffin and finally back to One Over the Ait!
Did a mock up of a leaflet to take with you too.....never mind.![]()
Can be done another time, could be interestingIt’s good. Tough to do really.
Clifden and not “Clifton” though
Beesotted we’re going to do a heritage walk via the pubs Brentford used (with Fullers too) but, sadly, it never got off the ground because of C-19.
The Griffin, The Plough, The Globe, The Plough, The Lord Nelson (as The Duke of York is no more) and finally, The Griffin!!
Did a mock up of a leaflet to take with you too.....never mind.![]()
There is loads of stuff on you tube that you can buy elsewhere.Er....."released"? It's on the internet on YouTube![]()
Very little exists in the newspapers re the two Clubs noted above.Is there any records to Brentford Celtic & St.Pauls FC ?
What levels they played at , colours etc
Dave is the don at former football ground and his knowledge of other league clubs is impeccable. Try and pick up “Grounds For A Change” book he wrote. It’s superb.Really good video of our previous grounds.
Well done Dave it was certainly worth all the effort.
Super piece of work.
My only (petty) quibble is that for those who aren't very familiar with all the locations, it might have benefited from a map of the overall Brentford/Ealing/Kew area, so you could follow from each ground to the next as the club made its various peregrinations (to use a 19th century word).
But it certainly didn't spoil it for me, since I know all those places very well, without having known the exact Bees connection.
I know that.They were all done on this thread.....
Denied FC, charting the history of clubs trying and failing to get elected to the Football League pre-1987, is also a great read.Dave is the don at former football ground and his knowledge of other league clubs is impeccable. Try and pick up “Grounds For A Change” book he wrote. It’s superb.
@rebus Are you agreeing with where Benn's Field was located? I believe it was behind The Plough Inn (as in your 100Yrs of GP book) and NOT up towards the station at Northfields. The film is suggesting it's towards Bramley Gardens but, looking at the field boundaries, the ground wouldn't get two pitches marked out on it. However, the field boundaries show that the field (No.226 as shown in your book), behind the Plough and stretching from Little Ealing Lane right up to the railway embankments, is the one Brenford FC used. The newspaper match reports nearly always mention those cheap-skate supporters standing on the railway embankment and not paying their money to enter the enclosed areas!Dave is the don at former football ground and his knowledge of other league clubs is impeccable. Try and pick up “Grounds For A Change” book he wrote. It’s superb.
Similar for me. A very nostalgic virtual stroll.A very enjoyable and interesting watch.
I feel it in my blood as I've spent my life in those areas.
I went to Primary School beside The Plough, we would play in the park at Bramley Road after school.
Went to Secondary on The Ryde, lived in Boston Manor. I still walk my dog around St. Paul's
Rec whilst the Mrs shops in Morrisons.
Well done!!
In general, he has an excellent knowledge. The thing is, we'll probably never know for sure the exact locations.@rebus Are you agreeing with where Benn's Field was located? I believe it was behind The Plough Inn (as in your 100Yrs of GP book) and NOT up towards the station at Northfields. The film is suggesting it's towards Bramley Gardens but, looking at the field boundaries, the ground wouldn't get two pitches marked out on it. However, the field boundaries show that the field (No.226 as shown in your book), behind the Plough and stretching from Little Ealing Lane right up to the railway embankments, is the one Brenford FC used. The newspaper match reports nearly always mention those cheap-skate supporters standing on the railway embankment and not paying their money to enter the enclosed areas!
The walk from the Plough Inn to the ground is said to have been 200 yards, pass the pleasure grounds and bowling green. The walkway alongside the Plough is 200 yards to that field (No.226). Also, the embankment is accessed by two pathways. One from "Northfield Lane" and the other from Ealing Road. So giving easy access to those wishing to view the game without paying for it!!
This field is also the one next to the field, used later, named as the Cross Road's Ground. The former home of Brentford Celtic FC.
Any views on this? I'm just being a bit picky!
Here's a map of the area circa 1894.
View attachment 23122
- red star - Plough Inn
- red arrow - just over 200 yards distance
- red rectangles - two pitches (approx size)
- red circle - Bramley Gardens (as now)
- red pentagon - Shotter's Field
- red decagon - Cross Road's Ground
A map overlay is here: Explore georeferenced maps - Map images - National Library of Scotland
(to access the overlay, click off the box then in the bottom left is the "opacity" slider. Move that around, you'll see the new and the old.
I guess the green and yellow seats at LR are a nod for the Brentford Celtic connection. Nice touch.Brentford Celtic FC are less well known. Little is written about them in the newspapers of the period. No mention of when or where they were founded. Another Brentford junior club who played local park football. No leagues are mentioned. This Club amalgamated with Brentford FC in the summer of 1898. They too played at the Cross Road's Ground Little Ealing. The merger allowed Brentford FC to put out four XI's!! Firsts, reserves, "B" and a "C" XI. No player of note seemed to make it into the First XI. Most playing for the B & C XI's.
I believe I have found a flaw in your hypothesis. The OS symbol for a cutting and embankment are quite similar and easily mistaken, especially on a low-resolution map. However the area circled in green is a cutting, NOT an embankment. You can see this quite clearly from viewing the video below.@rebus Are you agreeing with where Benn's Field was located? I believe it was behind The Plough Inn (as in your 100Yrs of GP book) and NOT up towards the station at Northfields. The film is suggesting it's towards Bramley Gardens but, looking at the field boundaries, the ground wouldn't get two pitches marked out on it. However, the field boundaries show that the field (No.226 as shown in your book), behind the Plough and stretching from Little Ealing Lane right up to the railway embankments, is the one Brenford FC used. The newspaper match reports nearly always mention those cheap-skate supporters standing on the railway embankment and not paying their money to enter the enclosed areas!
Not sure if you've seen this page before Bill, but it lists the following Benns as landlords of the PloughAlthough I know the history,proud to actually hear rather than read about my great grandad Charles Benn the owner of The Plough and Benn’s field.Great watch all of it thanks for putting it up here will show it to my Bees mad grandson Jack.
Interesting I will check out the names on the family tree that was produced by my late father 8 years ago that goes way before thenNot sure if you've seen this page before Bill, but it lists the following Benns as landlords of the Plough
1890/William James Benn/../../../Post Office Directory
1894/William James Benn/../../../Post Office Directory
1896/William James Benn/../../../Kelly's Directory *
1899/Mrs Julia A Benn/../../../Post Office Directory
1907/Mrs Julia Ann Benn/../../../Kelly's Directory *
1914/Edwin & Miss Rosetta Benn/../../../Post Office Directory
1926/Edward & Miss Rosetta Benn/../../../Post Office Directory
1933/Edward Benn & Miss Rosetta Benn/../../../Kelly's Directory *
1937/E & R Benn/../../../Post Office Directory
Also no Charles Benn however.
James W | Benn | Head | Married | Male | 36 | 1855 | Licensed Victualler | Ealing, Middlesex, England |
Julia | Benn | Wife | Married | Female | 31 | 1860 | - | London, Middlesex, England |
Frederick | Benn | Son | Single | Male | 7 | 1884 | Scholar | Ealing, Middlesex, England |
Rosetta | Benn | Daughter | - | Female | 6 | 1885 | Scholar | Ealing, Middlesex, England |
Maud | Benn | Daughter | - | Female | 5 | 1886 | Scholar | Ealing, Middlesex, England |
Victoria | Benn | Daughter | - | Female | 4 | 1887 | Scholar | Ealing, Middlesex, England |
Teddie | Benn | Son | - | Male | 1 | 1890 | - | Ealing, Middlesex, England |
- | Cobbler | - | Single | Female | 16 | 1875 | General Servant | Brentford, Middlesex, England |
Charles | Avery | - | Widower | Male | 60 | 1831 | Potman | Temple Bar |
I am not sure that they owned it throughout the period in question. They certainly owner large amounts of land north of the railway as orchards. They may have purchased that land south of the railway later in order to develop it.It’s known that parts of it were owned by the Steel family (Market gardeners).