The Odious Martin Samuel

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Went looking through their results since January in the hope of finding some crumbs of comfort away from home. Not many, but they did manage 0-0 draws away to Notts F and Swansea. I remember they also beat Leeds at home earlier in the season at home & kept a clean sheet. I cannot see 0-0 in this game in a million years! The odds are not in our favour, but I disagree the pressure's on them. However, pressure may be on if it gets to the hour mark and they haven't scored. QPR's best chance is for WBA to go a bit gung ho and leave themselves open - QPR are good at scoring in open games. Sadly, they are more than likely to let some in!

What will be will be. Let's get ahead and watch what happens.
Exactly. Expect nothing and accept whatever hand we're dealt. I'm convinced we'll murder Barnsley. If we don't, we don't deserve it anyway. Can't for the life of me think why you might disagree with me that it's WBA under pressure though. Put it this way, I'll be more relaxed watching things tomorrow than my WBA mate (******) will be and far more relaxed than I was for the Stoke game. Uless both games are 1-1 with 10 minutes to go of course. lol But that is an impossibility as we're going to win 4-0. :sorted:
 

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There perhaps was a different sort of pressure for the Stoke game, but especially after the restart we knew we couldn't afford to drop any points if we wanted auto's, whereas even recently we were 5 points behind, meaning WBA had the cushion of being able to draw and lose a game, hence why we went on the 8 games straight wins.
 

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I don't read that as anti-Brentford at all. The point he is making is that points per game averages to determine season outcomes at the three quarter stage do not account for the fact that the pressure ramps up in the last few matches...and as we have seen (and will hopefully see again tomorrow with QPR) produces unlikely outcomes. We just happened to be the example that demonstrated his point. Agree he is a dick though :)

It's a bit of a nonsense argument though as our form after the restart is what put us in that position in the first place.

Noone ever said PPG PREDICTED the end of the season anyway, it just... Ends the season.

Championship after the Sheff Wed game (all played the same so PPG would result in the same table):

1 Leeds 71
2 WBA 70

3 Fulham 67
4 Brentford 60
5 Forest 60
6 Preston 56

And today:

1 Leeds 90
2 WBA 82

3 Brentford 81
4 Fulham 80
5 Forest 70
6 Cardiff 70

The unlikely bit was in winning 8 in a row to put us in that position, not losing to Stoke.
 

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The guy is a bit of an enigma to me. Back when he wrote for The Times I used to enjoy his reporting and missed it when he moved elsewhere. But then, as one who gives the Mail a wide berth, I only read about his Brentford/Moneyball comments after hearing about it from the GPG and I was disappointed that he should say what he did about us. I suppose that is the pressure you have as a writer of opinion pieces, to say things that will stir up debate.

That annoyed me but I have to admit that when he appears on Sunday Supplement I still usually find him entertaining and tend to agree with most of the things he has to say.

If West Brom choke again tomorrow or we go up in the play-offs it would be nice to think he'll give us due credit at some point. Certainly the journalists on last Sunday's edition of SS all spoke well of us and seemed keen that we go up along with Leeds and WBA.

I agree. He wrote a BRILLIANT analysis of Cole's transfer to Chelsea when Cole claimed he almost drove his car off the road.

What respected journalist would leave The Times for The Daily Mail? And again, what respected SPORTS journalist would take the same path? It's also noteworthy that The Athletic didn't come calling either....

Easy life sitting at home churning out crap for money at the Mail.
 

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There perhaps was a different sort of pressure for the Stoke game, but especially after the restart we knew we couldn't afford to drop any points if we wanted auto's, whereas even recently we were 5 points behind, meaning WBA had the cushion of being able to draw and lose a game, hence why we went on the 8 games straight wins.

We have had pressure from game 1 of the restart. Some of those 8 games that we won could have easily ended up as a draw or a defeat. The margins are small, but it could be argued in some of those games we got the rub of the green. Against Stoke it could be argued we did not get the rub of the green. If the Pinnock incident had ended up with a penalty given, that was converted, the game could have been so different, but football is like that. We were not top of our game, but I also think we were a little unlucky, fine margins. However, one game does not make us a bad team overnight. We can still achieve the goal, with a little bit of luck.
 

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I agree. He wrote a BRILLIANT analysis of Cole's transfer to Chelsea when Cole claimed he almost drove his car off the road.

What respected journalist would leave The Times for The Daily Mail? And again, what respected SPORTS journalist would take the same path? It's also noteworthy that The Athletic didn't come calling either....

Easy life sitting at home churning out crap for money at the Mail.

You agree! Supporting QPR not enough for you?
 

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In life we all have far more personal power over our choices than we often know.

Sometimes we all forget this, including me, but we have the free choice to be either offended by what someone says about anything, or we have the free choice to ignore what they say.

No one can offend you, unless you choose to be offended. You can either soak up their negativity like a sponge, or remain positive by letting their comments disappear into the dust.

In the case of this or any other journalist, let them say anything negative they like about Brentford.

I know we have a brilliant club and team. It’s the journalist’s problem that he doesn’t know this, not mine.
 

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He should respect what we did before that. It's pretty much Oakland As baseball. You don't see teams winning 8 straight games very often if at all. Egregious man. I do find some football writers are out of touch
 

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Martin Samuel is one of those journalists who thinks he’s the celebrity..... Sunday Supplement is such a self indulgent programme for journalists like him.
 

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Martin Samuel said:
Imagine if Thomas Frank of Brentford had spectacularly outwitted Scott Parker in this week’s Championship play-off final. We would never have heard the last of the intellectual sophistication at the heart of such a victory.

Instead, it was Parker’s Fulham who controlled the game and cognoscente’s choice Brentford who were again disappointing when it mattered.

It is now predicted their best players will be sold but, having seen their extended collapse under pressure at the end of the season, it could be argued buyer beware.

From here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...senal-job-cuts-look-terrible-new-reality.html
 

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He’s just a sad journalist who can’t get over the “sacking” of Warburton. Ignore list.
 

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It's a bit of a nonsense argument though as our form after the restart is what put us in that position in the first place.

Noone ever said PPG PREDICTED the end of the season anyway, it just... Ends the season.

Championship after the Sheff Wed game (all played the same so PPG would result in the same table):

1 Leeds 71
2 WBA 70

3 Fulham 67
4 Brentford 60
5 Forest 60
6 Preston 56

And today:

1 Leeds 90
2 WBA 82

3 Brentford 81
4 Fulham 80
5 Forest 70
6 Cardiff 70

The unlikely bit was in winning 8 in a row to put us in that position, not losing to Stoke.

Two of the 4 teams in the play off spots at restart didn’t last the distance. We were level with one and only 4 points above the other and had taken 0 points from 9 against them. Finishing where we did and not only securing a play off spot but being within a game of automatic promotion and within a game of play off promotion is pretty impressive, even if 4 of the last 5 games disappointed.
 

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I can only come to the conclusion that someone with connections to BFC was caught horizontal jogging with his wife
 

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Has he said anything that isn't true

yes "buyer beware" is disrespectful and complete nonsense. He should be mentioning the achievement of finishing 3rd, finding players they can sell at top price vi a process of excellent development on a budget that is lower end of the divisions, with no parachute payments unlike all the other play off teams or breach FFP. We have a continuous evolving business blueprint that sees incremental improvements season on season, all of which should be applauded. He should ask the question why other EFL clubs couldn't do the same, not knock the success.
 

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yes "buyer beware" is disrespectful and complete nonsense. He should be mentioning the achievement of finishing 3rd, finding players they can sell at top price vi a process of excellent development on a budget that is lower end of the divisions, with no parachute payments unlike all the other play off teams or breach FFP. We have a continuous evolving business blueprint that sees incremental improvements season on season, all of which should be applauded. He should ask the question why other EFL clubs couldn't do the same, not knock the success.

Sorry but I’m sick to the back teeth of all that. It’s all they go on about on Sky when we’re on, our amazing model and our various innovations and over achievements. I’m not saying it isn’t true but it’s a bit embarrassing when we then just don’t turn up and it’s not surprising there is a bit of a backlash. I’d much rather we were talked about like any other club.
 

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Sorry but I’m sick to the back teeth of all that. It’s all they go on about on Sky when we’re on, our amazing model and our various innovations and over achievements. I’m not saying it isn’t true but it’s a bit embarrassing when we then just don’t turn up and it’s not surprising there is a bit of a backlash. I’d much rather we were talked about like any other club.

What like breaching FFP, going bust, changing managers every 6 months and buying known ageing has beens? Yep much better, cant wait to be linked with Sam Allardyce and Matt Smith.
 

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Bees sign for a system.

Do other clubs? They might sign a good player but then don't play him to his strengths. You have to know what you are getting and what you are going to do with him; not sure all clubs do.
 

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What like breaching FFP, going bust, changing managers every 6 months and buying known ageing has beens? Yep much better, cant wait to be linked with Sam Allardyce and Matt Smith.

As long as we didn’t appoint them who cares? The club is well run and will continue to be, I don’t feel the need to read about it ad infinitum until it gets on everybody’s tits.
 

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What like breaching FFP, going bust, changing managers every 6 months and buying known ageing has beens? Yep much better, cant wait to be linked with Sam Allardyce and Matt Smith.

You left out stadium deals and foreign owners who might have dubious backgrounds
 

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Has he said anything that isn't true
For a start, "spectacularly outwitted" is just total b***ocks, it finished 0-0 and took an individual moment of brilliance to separate the two teams. Sure, we weren't at our best, but both teams cancelled each other out for most of the game.

And "extended collapse"?? Yet more b***ocks. Against all odds we took the race for automatic promotion (which was a done deal according to most) down to the wire. We were never in the automatic spots at any point, so extended collapse just isn't accurate.

The guy has a weird hatred for us, and his rants contain these bizarre, coded implications. "Cognoscente's choice Brentford" and "intellectual sophistication" ... I mean, what is he actually implying?

A bitter, bitter man. "The Odious" is the correct prelude.
 

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As long as we didn’t appoint them who cares? The club is well run and will continue to be, I don’t feel the need to read about it ad infinitum until it gets on everybody’s tits.

I don't think it does get mentioned infinitum, in fact when listening and watching the reports on the promotion push in the Championship we hardly got a passing mention and when they did most of it was inaccurate. Its only the last two weeks there's been more, because they only had our games to report on.
 

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For a start, "spectacularly outwitted" is just total b***ocks, it finished 0-0 and took an individual moment of brilliance to separate the two teams. Sure, we weren't at our best, but both teams cancelled each other out for most of the game.

And "extended collapse"?? Yet more b***ocks. Against all odds we took the race for automatic promotion (which was a done deal according to most) down to the wire. We were never in the automatic spots at any point, so extended collapse just isn't accurate.

The guy has a weird hatred for us, and his rants contain these bizarre, coded implications. "Cognoscente's choice Brentford" and "intellectual sophistication" ... I mean, what is he actually implying?

A bitter, bitter man. "The Odious" is the correct prelude.

Spot on
 

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Best not to read the right wing, racist, tory rag they call the daily mail
 

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This man is very good at winding a lot of you up. That's his job, by the way.
 

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Problem is that we don't fall into the lazy football narrative. It takes some research and understanding of our different approach and years of inbred football law have meant if a club goes against the grain then the easiest thing if we have one slip up is to blame our approach. Journalists want us to fail as we break all conventional thinking and make them look daft when they roll out the usual clichés like we sold our forward so we will struggle for goals and be in relegation trouble.
 

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Journalists want us to fail as we break all conventional thinking and make them look daft when they roll out the usual clichés like we sold our forward so we will struggle for goals and be in relegation trouble.

I would say most of the new school of young journalists are right behind us and, if anything, talk us up too much. That's why dinosaurs like Samuel love it in when we fail.
 

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I think what winds up dinosaurs like him is that they can't to MB who systematically and completely ignores them.
 

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I doubt the Daily Mail sports writers have got over the 1936 Olympic Games yet. Has this slime ball submitted his report yet?
 

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why would anyone be bothered what that fat belter writes .

if hes slagging us off , we must be doing something right
 

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Has he said anything that isn't true

Fulham spent 100m of parachute payments on players and we spent about 8m. We finished above them In the league.

But let’s focus on Brentford collapsing and have a pop at the manager and slag of the players we are selling ignoring the fact our recruitment is the talk of the football world.

Everybody except Fulham fans and that fat **** wanted Brentford to win.
 

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I think what winds up dinosaurs like him is that they can't to MB who systematically and completely ignores them.

It’s so true. MB either keeps it to himself when he gets riled or genuinely couldn’t give a sh*t what the fat ***** says.

The fact that we are already punching several levels above our weight in the championship before we even consider competing with premier league money carries less weight with him than his oversized trousers.
 

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Football dinosaur whose breadth of knowledge and insight is a stretch beyond the top 6 in the PL.
 

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Who cares what he thinks? Clearly a moron who writes click bait pony.
 

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He can write what he wants.
I would never dream of reading an odious rag such as The Mail who employs such people as Martin Samuels.
I would not wipe my backside on such a paper.

Someone left a copy in the back of my cab for me one day. I gave it back. Then had to wash me hands.
Do the same with the Express.
 
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