The return of fans to stadiums, Pt II

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Without wanting this to go the same way as the last thread with general Covid bickering, can someone explain to me where, if anywhere, we are with this?

I scour the news etc. for the latest updates but am still utterly confused.

From what I can gather, three games have been identified as pilots for large scale events prior to the potential further lifting of restrictions on 17 May.

  • 18 April - FA Cup Semi-Final - Wembley - 4,000 people (outdoor seated)
  • 25 April - Carabao Cup Final, Wembley - 8,000 people (outdoor, seated)
  • 15 May - FA Cup Final, Wembley, London - 21,000 people (outdoor, seated)

All of these (I think) will require some sort of Covid certification/passport as a condition of entry.

After 17 May, venues will be allowed either 10,000 fans of 25% capacity (whichever is lower) - so 4,300 at Lionel Road. Yet this announcement was made prior to the one about 21,000 fans being allowed into the Cup Final. If that works out, are we to assume that similar numbers will be allowed into the first group games for the Euros, which fall before the next key date of 21 June.

The question then is what happens after 21 June (bearing in mind the Euros straddle this date). The Govt seems to have stepped back from the initially poorly worded "all social restrictions" lifted to something like "life as close to normal as possible".

Presumably, if all goes well with the trials fans will be allowed into LR, and other grounds, next season with Covid certificates. But there is no real indication yet - perhaps understandably - at what capacity meaning the club has to plan for numerous different scenarios?
 

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I scour the news etc. for the latest updates but am still utterly confused.
It's the difference between tactical leaks to the preferred press; speculation by the media; statements by ministers; government policy; scheduled government reviews; and the clinical and ethical experts, as well as businesses and their representative organisations, that contribute to those reviews.

I wouldn't bother trying to unpick them.
 

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Without wanting this to go the same way as the last thread with general Covid bickering, can someone explain to me where, if anywhere, we are with this?
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Varney went into this at the BU AGM.

Essentially the current assumptions are:
  • full stadiums from the very start next season
  • max 4,000 at any play-off semi-final
  • and re the play-off final, not certain yet, but probably similar to the FA Cup semi-final (i.e. 4,000)
 

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Can't see full capacity at LR come 1st game of next season
I would concur. Too soon after the Euros which are being restricted to 25% capacity (and that is after intervention to keep the games at Wembley and hence in England)
 
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Varney went into this at the BU AGM.

Essentially the current assumptions are:
  • full stadiums from the very start next season
  • max 4,000 at any play-off semi-final
  • and re the play-off final, not certain yet, but probably similar to the FA Cup semi-final (i.e. 4,000)
Re the play-off final that seems odd given that it’s after 17 May at which point 10,000 fans will be allowed to attend.

Particularly given there will have been 21,000 at the FA Cup final a few weeks before.
 

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Re the play-off final that seems odd given that it’s after 17 May at which point 10,000 fans will be allowed to attend.
It may be 10,000 in that case.
Particularly given there will have been 21,000 at the FA Cup final a few weeks before.
The 21,000 at the FA Cup Final is a "test event". What sort of tests they are performing I don't know, but it may be some days or weeks before the results of those tests are available and therefore not sufficient time to apply the results to the Play Off Final.
 
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We could easily get all ST holders in though I would think.
That would obviously mean the ground being more than half full. You would think if it’s going to be more than half full it may as well be full.

I would expect 30%-50% capacity for the start of the season meaning ST holders get something between every other or two out of every three games.

All dependent on progress over the next few months and how the trials and Euros go, of course.
 

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So if you been fortunate to have had both covid jabs do you get first to get in lionel road to watch a live game. Sorry youngsters
 

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Wasn’t sure where to put this and didn’t want to make a new thread for it.

I know there won’t be news on fan attendance yet, but has there been any further indication as to when we’ll know the date of the playoff final ?

need to organise something on that weekend on Sunday 30th - can change it to the 29th but need to lock in the date soon! Surely they know which league will be on which day by now ?!

We’re bookies favourite to make the playoff final so realistic to factor this in!
 

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Wasn’t sure where to put this and didn’t want to make a new thread for it.

I know there won’t be news on fan attendance yet, but has there been any further indication as to when we’ll know the date of the playoff final ?

need to organise something on that weekend on Sunday 30th - can change it to the 29th but need to lock in the date soon! Surely they know which league will be on which day by now ?!

We’re bookies favourite to make the playoff final so realistic to factor this in!
Haha very good point, my jab #2 is scheduled for the afternoon of Sunday 30th ... I’m *assuming* that the Championship play off final will be on the Saturday, in order to release players for their international squads sooner rather than later
 

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There’s still a bit of work to be done round the stadium at present. As of last week, Kew Bridge underpass not ready. Neither was the other bridge from Stadium into capital interchange way.
 

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Varney went into this at the BU AGM.

Essentially the current assumptions are:
  • full stadiums from the very start next season
  • max 4,000 at any play-off semi-final
  • and re the play-off final, not certain yet, but probably similar to the FA Cup semi-final (i.e. 4,000)
Gosh hope you are right about the start of next season. They are talking about social distancing for months yet, if not years. Thats probably very pessimistic, but I can see it being months away before full stadiums. I said earlier start of 2022/23, which I still think is the most likely for full attendances. I would much rather you are right though.
 

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Gosh hope you are right about the start of next season. They are talking about social distancing for months yet, if not years. Thats probably very pessimistic, but I can see it being months away before full stadiums. I said earlier start of 2022/23, which I still think is the most likely for full attendances. I would much rather you are right though.
eh ? all restrictions are being lifted on June 21 aren't they ?
 

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Gosh hope you are right about the start of next season. They are talking about social distancing for months yet, if not years. Thats probably very pessimistic, but I can see it being months away before full stadiums. I said earlier start of 2022/23, which I still think is the most likely for full attendances. I would much rather you are right though.
It’s not me that your hoping is right. It’s Jon Varney!
 

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eh ? all restrictions are being lifted on June 21 aren't they ?
Social distancing/masks may be required for some time.

Clubs are preparing for everything from 100% capacity including away fans to restricted access/social distancing.

Basically no one knows.
 

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eh ? all restrictions are being lifted on June 21 aren't they ?
Being semantic, 21st June is the earliest possible date for the change in restrictions which may or may not be all of them.
 
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eh ? all restrictions are being lifted on June 21 aren't they ?
They've changed the messaging on that to something like "as close to normality as possible". Hence why the Wembley Euros games after this date will remain at 22,500 rather than full.

I'm not sure we'll see away fans for a while yet, sadly.
 

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Can't see full capacity at LR come 1st game of next season
I guess there are a lot variables to consider before that decision is made. By it's very nature late spring/summer results in people spending more time outside and the evidence suggests being outside reduces virus numbers.

As a result I've always expected to have a fairly normal summer; the big test will be the end of August/September and on into the autumn/winter.

As people move indoors again in their everyday lives we'll need the vaccine to have been successful, my theory is full capacity by August appears very unlikely. They'll want a full autumn/early winter to assess things and see if numbers are increasing as people are spending more time indoors. I believe the earliest for full capacity stadiums will be Jan 2022.
 

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They've changed the messaging on that to something like "as close to normality as possible". Hence why the Wembley Euros games after this date will remain at 22,500 rather than full.

I'm not sure we'll see away fans for a while yet, sadly.
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They've changed the messaging on that to something like "as close to normality as possible". Hence why the Wembley Euros games after this date will remain at 22,500 rather than full.

I'm not sure we'll see away fans for a while yet, sadly.
It would be slightly bizarre to not allow away fans to a close by away game. For example, when we go back to offices, I may spend my days working 3 miles away from craven Cottage but not be allowed to visit in the evening.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if the amount of fans allowed back increases dramatically when everybody has a chance to be vaccinated.

If the government still has concerns it might be suggested that clubs can admit more with Covid passports.
 

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It would be slightly bizarre to not allow away fans to a close by away game. For example, when we go back to offices, I may spend my days working 3 miles away from craven Cottage but not be allowed to visit in the evening.
If the full capacity of home supporters isn't being allowed in, imo it would be even more bizarre to allow in some away supporters, rather than just open the away section to a few more socially-distanced home fans. This is esp so should a club have more ST Holders than the permitted stadium Covid-capacity.

Meanwhile, though clubs will know where people live, they're hardly going to be able to take into account where they work. I mean, how many Northern fans will suddenly find they're required to work in their London Head Office on the same day their team is playing in the capital? (Though maybe that should be for the "Weird Coincidences" thread).

And in your example, you might be more of a transmission risk (or more at risk yourself) if you use public transport to travel the 3 miles to Craven Cottage, than some fan who drives his car from outside London and parks nearer to the ground.
 

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It would be slightly bizarre to not allow away fans to a close by away game. For example, when we go back to offices, I may spend my days working 3 miles away from craven Cottage but not be allowed to visit in the evening.
I’m sure the police will stick their nose in as it would suit them not to have away fans.
 

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We've not had any events at LR yet with crowds of more than 2K. Is it wise to go straight to full capacity without some more testing. There were exiting issues at the Blackburn game with only a few in.
 

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We've not had any events at LR yet with crowds of more than 2K. Is it wise to go straight to full capacity without some more testing. There were exiting issues at the Blackburn game with only a few in.
What issues were there for Blackburn?
 

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The steps up to Lionel Road behind the North stand was causing a bottleneck.
A worse bottleneck than the one behind new Road at the end of each game or between Ealing road and the Beamer Road forecourt that occurred every other week when GP was anywhere close to full?
 

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Not really. It has to meet the same criteria as any existing stadiu, and vice versa.
You say that, but the Taylor Report made all seater stadia mandatory in the top two levels of English football on safety grounds.

Yet when BFC were promoted from League One, we were permitted to retain terracing at both ends, if only while LR was being built.
 

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I will be interested to see how they handle queuing for the station. Doesn’t look like enough space for Waterloo bound trains, even with the underpass; do they want hundreds of away fans queuing outside the main entrance for ages?
 

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I will be interested to see how they handle queuing for the station. Doesn’t look like enough space for Waterloo bound trains, even with the underpass; do they want hundreds of away fans queuing outside the main entrance for ages?
The planning app said that they would control access via the tunnel through a stewarded queue.

Which could be bypassed by going via the main entrance....perhaps.
 

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You say that, but the Taylor Report made all seater stadia mandatory in the top two levels of English football on safety grounds.

Yet when BFC were promoted from League One, we were permitted to retain terracing at both ends, if only while LR was being built.
Special dispensation from EFL. Normally allow 3 years, but because we had LRd on the horizon, got extended.
 

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So, how will they decide whose Season tickets are deferred again, and who will be allowed to go?
Or will there be a rotation system?
It’s going to get messy.
 

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So, how will they decide whose Season tickets are deferred again, and who will be allowed to go?
Or will there be a rotation system?
It’s going to get messy.
Not sure how this question on Season TIckets applies to post-season games. There is no "deferral", and those whose ST were deferred chose to have them deferred. They club didn't pick and choose which ones to defer.
 

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The planning app said that they would control access via the tunnel through a stewarded queue.

Which could be bypassed by going via the main entrance....perhaps.
Similar to Brighton away I guess? I know the space leading up to it is larger but in sense of stewards having to manage queues
 

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