Things other fans say about Brentford FC

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Problem is, and this is greatly to our benefit, clubs will not respond very well to the setbacks our philosophy will naturally have. It's a factor people havent woken up to. Theres a huge human element to what weve done and thats the risk no one is willing to take
There are few clubs in the league who’d not have been inking their manager a P45 for the run that Smith had in the new year of his first season and at the beginning of the season before last, or Frank’s first ten games.
 

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Spot on.

I work with a QPR fan. He tells me they are “about a year or so behind Brentford” with their systems and planning.

I try not to laugh.
No, I think you should laugh. Laugh like a drain. In his face. All day long.
 

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Because past achievements are an indicator of current and/or future situations. Go ask some former top division clubs like Bradford Park Avenue....or Coventry......or Wimbledon...

If we go up and these "massive clubs" don't, who will be laughing then?
I'm always curious about this "big club" history stuff.....
Never quite sure what the qualifying period is??
i.e. Should we be able to claim we're a "big club" because we were one of England's top teams in the 1930s?
When does the claim to "bigness" start and run out??
 

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I'm always curious about this "big club" history stuff.....
Never quite sure what the qualifying period is??
i.e. Should we be able to claim we're a "big club" because we were one of England's top teams in the 1930s?
When does the claim to "bigness" start and run out??
Exactly mate. Preston North End and Huddersfield were champions back in the day. Now, massive clubs? Only Arsenal have been always in the to flight, as far as I remember: all other clubs have been, at one time or another, mixing it with the so-called diddy teams. What matters is now.
 

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Because past achievements are an indicator of current and/or future situations. Go ask some former top division clubs like Bradford Park Avenue....or Coventry......or Wimbledon...

If we go up and these "massive clubs" don't, who will be laughing then?
Not sure about Park Avenue. They must’ve left the league 50 years ago, and I don’t know if they were ever the biggest team in Bradford, let alone anywhere else!
 

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Not sure about Park Avenue. They must’ve left the league 50 years ago, and I don’t know if they were ever the biggest team in Bradford, let alone anywhere else!
Hi, I meant that years ago they were in the top division for a while, so would've been considered a "big club" back then, presumably. Over a hundred years ago ��
 

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Not sure about Park Avenue. They must’ve left the league 50 years ago, and I don’t know if they were ever the biggest team in Bradford, let alone anywhere else!
Definitely the biggest team in Bradford.

:fishing:
 

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Exactly mate. Preston North End and Huddersfield were champions back in the day. Now, massive clubs? Only Arsenal have been always in the to flight, as far as I remember: all other clubs have been, at one time or another, mixing it with the so-called diddy teams. What matters is now.

Arsenal have in fact been relegated once in 1913 when they finished bottom of the league. They were called Woolwich Arsenal back then. They were promoted back to the old First division after the First World War in quite a controversy and have been there ever since
 

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Arsenal have in fact been relegated once in 1913 when they finished bottom of the league. They were called Woolwich Arsenal back then. They were promoted back to the old First division after the First World War in quite a controversy and have been there ever since
What was the controversary
 

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What was the controversary
After the war, Division One was increased from 20 to 22 teams. In previous expansions (from 16 to 18 to 20), the bottom 2 first division teams in the previous season were reprieved from relegation (so 2 up, 0 down). On this occasion, Spurs (who had finished bottom of Div 1 in 1915) were relegated, and Arsenal (who had only finished 6th in Division 2) were promoted instead.

Understandably, Spurs were not best pleased.
 

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Arsenal have in fact been relegated once in 1913 when they finished bottom of the league. They were called Woolwich Arsenal back then. They were promoted back to the old First division after the First World War in quite a controversy and have been there ever since
You're right. Thanks for the clarification 👍
 

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Hi, I meant that years ago they were in the top division for a while, so would've been considered a "big club" back then, presumably. Over a hundred years ago ��
Bradford Park Avenue's first manager was a 'Fred Halliday' who later went on to manage Brentford. A few years ago according to Wikipedia he was inducted into the Brentford Hall of Fame! What this adds to the debate I do not know but I thought it interesting.
 

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After the war, Division One was increased from 20 to 22 teams. In previous expansions (from 16 to 18 to 20), the bottom 2 first division teams in the previous season were reprieved from relegation (so 2 up, 0 down). On this occasion, Spurs (who had finished bottom of Div 1 in 1915) were relegated, and Arsenal (who had only finished 6th in Division 2) were promoted instead.

Understandably, Spurs were not best pleased.
Its what you pay for then i suppose...like the old re-election vote if you finished bottom of the league.
 

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i dont give a sh*t about Arsenal and Spurs from 100 years ago ! Keep it now , keep it Bees !
 
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https://www.not606.com/threads/hull-city-v-brentford.381541/page-9

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Brentford are a different class, we surely can’t be that bad against teams in the relegation fight with us!
They aren’t really that good. They’re ok, but they’re no WBA.
Not sure why that made me chuckle.

West Brom won 1-0 at Hull in November.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNRIEYQI805muUS2mfMctrhcpodnYg%3A1581009146263&source=hp&ei=-kg8XuzSDYqkUqHHhig&q=west+brom+hull+city&oq=west+brom+hull&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0j0i20i263j0l4j0i22i30l4.541.5704..8821...1.0..0.137.1324.10j4......0....1..gws-wiz.......35i39j0i131i67j0i10i67j0i67j0i131.DiBPHaoy4_c#sie=m;/g/11flzlc27h;2;/m/0355pl;dt;fp;1;;

The stats suggest it was quite a close game. I'm confused. :scratch:
 

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Not sure about Park Avenue. They must’ve left the league 50 years ago, and I don’t know if they were ever the biggest team in Bradford, let alone anywhere else!
Bradford Park Avenue finished ninth in the First Division in the 1914–15 season.
 

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Balanced out the next page over with:

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They aren’t really that good. They’re ok, but they’re no WBA.

They are, they're only six points off the top of the league and man for man, I'd take their team over West Brom's.

Every one of their starting XI would walk into our team
 

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Bbc brentford and sky sports brentford. Proper media takeover
 

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Bbc brentford and sky sports brentford. Proper media takeover
....think they might have got a whiff that they'll be seeing a lot more of us next year....some would say they are preparing.
 

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Problem is, and this is greatly to our benefit, clubs will not respond very well to the setbacks our philosophy will naturally have. It's a factor people havent woken up to. Theres a huge human element to what weve done and thats the risk no one is willing to take
True.

Taking risks means you have to accept failure. We have sen manager for, players go, great signing and a few wrong ones but it had been a step by step process.

These other teams will bin everybody after 4 defeats and don’t have along term strategy.
 

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Middlesbrough lads kept calling us a “canny” side ready to go up
 

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Darren Bent in the Times today:

"Brentford
Position 5th Points 53 GD 27 Form WWDLWW
Their attacking trio really excite me and they are why Brentford will sneak promotion via the play-offs to crown their proposed move to their new stadium next season. Ollie Watkins is joint-top scorer (with Mitrovic) in the league and he complements Saïd Benrahma and Bryan Mbeumo. Watkins is technically good and physically strong but what has impressed me is that he naturally takes up positions to score — the mark of a good forward. He was impressive last season when he caught the eye of Crystal Palace. Mbeumo, the 20-year-old Frenchman, has adapted remarkably quickly, with 12 goals and five assists.
Average position of remaining opponents 13th
Prediction 4th — play-off winners
"

He has West Brom to win and Fulham 2nd (but also Bristol City 6th!)
 

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He's ex Fulham so like Danny Murphy was always going to predict them to finish second.
 

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I was sent this by a Leeds fan, not sure where he got it from though:

What fresh hell is this?

Watching this run of form go from a blip, to a stumble, to a full-blown crisis has aged me 20 years. Starting from that nonsense game at home to Cardiff when we threw away a 3-0 lead, we've won two out of our last 11 games. The most recent was the 3-2 win against Millwall when we dug ourselves out of a hole. And the other was the freakish 5-4 at Birmingham that featured suicidal defending on both sides. You have to go back exactly two months to 10th December for our last vaguely normal victory (2-0 at home to Hull).

We travel to Brentford on Tuesday night. Only those cursed with psychotic optimistic are looking forward to this one. At a push you could say it's a great game in which to start the resurgence. However, the more realistic view is that this fixture comes at a terrible time. We haven't won at Griffin Park since 1950, five years before Marcelo Bielsa was born. Our recent record in London is the stuff of nightmares and, while we've hit every hurdle in recent weeks, the Bees have played some of the best football of the season. In fact, they're top of the form table while we're in the bottom three. Ollie Watkins is the league's top scorer with 20 goals but it's the threat of wide forwards Said Benrahma and Bryan Mbeumo that provides the most cause for concern. If we lose and other results go against us, we could be 5th by Wednesday night. An unnecessary reminder that we had an 11-point gap to third to one point...

In terms of good news, Kalvin Phillips will return on Tuesday night having served his suspension. Aside from being our most important player, he is the type of talisman capable of reigniting hope, especially among the fans, since he's a local lad. It's probably too much to ask of Kalvin to provide a refresh all on his own, but his presence in midfield may settle the nerves of his team-mates. God, I hope so.
 

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I was sent this by a Leeds fan, not sure where he got it from though:

What fresh hell is this?

Watching this run of form go from a blip, to a stumble, to a full-blown crisis has aged me 20 years. Starting from that nonsense game at home to Cardiff when we threw away a 3-0 lead, we've won two out of our last 11 games. The most recent was the 3-2 win against Millwall when we dug ourselves out of a hole. And the other was the freakish 5-4 at Birmingham that featured suicidal defending on both sides. You have to go back exactly two months to 10th December for our last vaguely normal victory (2-0 at home to Hull).

We travel to Brentford on Tuesday night. Only those cursed with psychotic optimistic are looking forward to this one. At a push you could say it's a great game in which to start the resurgence. However, the more realistic view is that this fixture comes at a terrible time. We haven't won at Griffin Park since 1950, five years before Marcelo Bielsa was born. Our recent record in London is the stuff of nightmares and, while we've hit every hurdle in recent weeks, the Bees have played some of the best football of the season. In fact, they're top of the form table while we're in the bottom three. Ollie Watkins is the league's top scorer with 20 goals but it's the threat of wide forwards Said Benrahma and Bryan Mbeumo that provides the most cause for concern. If we lose and other results go against us, we could be 5th by Wednesday night. An unnecessary reminder that we had an 11-point gap to third to one point...

In terms of good news, Kalvin Phillips will return on Tuesday night having served his suspension. Aside from being our most important player, he is the type of talisman capable of reigniting hope, especially among the fans, since he's a local lad. It's probably too much to ask of Kalvin to provide a refresh all on his own, but his presence in midfield may settle the nerves of his team-mates. God, I hope so.
Pretty much what TF was saying in his PC, that the Leeds fans are getting in a state about.
 

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Leeds fans, like Forest, like to obsess over one thing and not let go. Its been Pontus and now its this... Forest are still going on about xG and our philosophy on it, and Leeds will carry on focussing on that TF comment if they get anything from the game. It IS a good time to play them, you always want to play a team on poor form and a bit low on confidence, but that doesn't mean a lot unless we make it count. Here's hoping...
 

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The funny thing is that early in the season we had precisely the same issue as Leeds with regard to underperforming on xG and have since reverted to mean. I suspect that if Benham, Ankersen and Giles were running Leeds they’d be completely supportive of Bielsa’s approach and quite confident that over the remaining games they’d get the set of results needed to finish top 2. The difference is perhaps that through experience most Bees fans get that however frustrating a run of bad results might be, if the underlying performances are decent, the points will come. Leeds fans are largely finding this very hard to do.

The problem is that once you get to the 2-3 game knockout contest of the play offs, the long term predictive/diagnostic value of xG is irrelevant and it becomes all about simply getting the results on the day. And like us, Leeds have a very poor play off record.
 

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The funny thing is that early in the season we had precisely the same issue as Leeds with regard to underperforming on xG and have since reverted to mean.
Interesting post AB. If you like xG, there's a good write up on tonight's game on Infogol: https://www.infogol.net/en/blog/previews/championship-best-bets-tuesday-s-tips-1022020

"This is a meeting the two best teams in the league, according to xG... Brentford when playing at Grififn Park average 1.94 xGF per game while allowing only 0.77 xGA per game, while Leeds' levels have dropped compared to the start of the season, especially defensively, as they have allowed an average of 1.55 xGA per game in their last seven."
 

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