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I think - I maybe wrong here - but Ivan might have done the same thing. Or bounced the ball off his head. Pontus would've sorted Austin out if he had been out there.
Morrison deserved that from Ivan after (unsuccessfully) trying to sledge him during a guest appearance on Quest after the 7-2 win against Wycombe. From what I remember he said Wycombe were the better team in the first half and air-brushed out his hat-trick by mentioning the 7 game goal drought IT was on before this win.
 

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Got it wrong. Awful team selection.

Needs to stop moaning at the officials and get this team sorted.
 

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Got it wrong. Awful team selection.

Needs to stop moaning at the officials and get this team sorted.

He was moaning at the officials in the first half simply because those idiots wore a dark colour that clashed with Coventry’s kit.
 

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He was moaning at the officials in the first half simply because those idiots wore a dark colour that clashed with Coventry’s kit.

Yes that was correct, still think they spend too much time in the 4th officials ear then getting onto our own miss firing players.

Sky kept mentioning his frustration.
 

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He was moaning at the officials in the first half simply because those idiots wore a dark colour that clashed with Coventry’s kit.

I mean what a stupid decision that was - being a bit colour blind it was a annoying me and i am sure at one point Janault was marking/covering the ref when he could have been closing down a cov player who had the ball.
 

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Yes that was correct, still think they spend too much time in the 4th officials ear then getting onto our own miss firing players.

Sky kept mentioning his frustration.

Yeah and some of it was directed at the players too which Sky also mentioned. I am happy with them being in the 4th officials ear as much as possible - we need any advantage we can get. I wish the players were in the refs ear more on the pitch too.
 

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So I have been critical of TF team selection and subs at times during this season but not since the turn of the year. But not today. The team he selected was good enough to beat Coventry. We are playing 9 games in February and that is a staggering amount of games. One needs to rotate but losing Toney was a massive blow. Put him in the team was it really a bad team selection? I honestly don't think so.

The worry for me was that when we conceded I just had no confidence we would get back into the game and TF touched on it in his post match interview. That is expected with a lack of experience in the team today. Thought also he gave a good post match interview.
 

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So I have been critical of TF team selection and subs at times during this season but not since the turn of the year. But not today. The team he selected was good enough to beat Coventry. We are playing 9 games in February and that is a staggering amount of games. One needs to rotate but losing Toney was a massive blow. Put him in the team was it really a bad team selection? I honestly don't think so.

The worry for me was that when we conceded I just had no confidence we would get back into the game and TF touched on it in his post match interview. That is expected with a lack of experience in the team today. Thought also he gave a good post match interview.
Agree with everything you say IB. Also think he personally looks out on his feet. Hardly surprising... no coach in England has overseen more games this season. Your post made me think - yet again- about the meaning of that. He’s had six months non-stop with, what, maybe two weekends off, in the most demanding league in Europe. I’m going to send him a nice bottle of red wine 🍷
 

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So I have been critical of TF team selection and subs at times during this season but not since the turn of the year. But not today. The team he selected was good enough to beat Coventry. We are playing 9 games in February and that is a staggering amount of games. One needs to rotate but losing Toney was a massive blow. Put him in the team was it really a bad team selection? I honestly don't think so.

The worry for me was that when we conceded I just had no confidence we would get back into the game and TF touched on it in his post match interview. That is expected with a lack of experience in the team today. Thought also he gave a good post match interview.

Good words.
My comment here (not sure if this is right place)

Does it get to a stage where you simply can’t do it with 1 or 2 29-32 year olds with a load of 18-22s. At some point - you just need old heads to win leagues.
 

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Agree with everything you say IB. Also think he personally looks out on his feet. Hardly surprising... no coach in England has overseen more games this season. Your post made me think - yet again- about the meaning of that. He’s had six months non-stop with, what, maybe two weekends off, in the most demanding league in Europe. I’m going to send him a nice bottle of red wine 🍷

Exactly has he really had a decent break since early June 2020? Hope you send him some Argentine Malbec. I suspect tonight he may need something stronger like I am having. I've opened up some Ciroc. Working wonders.
 

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Got it wrong. Awful team selection.

Needs to stop moaning at the officials and get this team sorted.
Out of interest mate. What would of been your team selection today?
Fosu that clearly had a knock against the raras. JDS who was poor on Wednesday or HD who obviously needed a day off.
Who would of you played?
 

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Out of interest mate. What would of been your team selection today?
Fosu that clearly had a knock against the raras. JDS who was poor on Wednesday or HD who obviously needed a day off.
Who would of you played?

Yeah exactly I looked at the team that was picked and given form, knocks and injuries don't think there was a stronger side he could have picked.
 

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Out of interest mate. What would of been your team selection today?
Fosu that clearly had a knock against the raras. JDS who was poor on Wednesday or HD who obviously needed a day off.
Who would of you played?

I would have started the three you mention. Fosu is either fit to play or theres no point him being on the bench, he was deemed fit enough to change the game so why not start him.

I understand the need to rotate but after 2 losses we should play our best side. Mads R had a torrid time at RB, Bryan is prob our worst performing player atm and Ghoddos is too hot and cold with small glimpses of brilliance in and amongst large periods of mediocrity.

To see those three on the bench when we had lost Toney it was no wonder Coventry fancied their chances and had a real go.

:sueme:
 

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I would have started the three you mention. Fosu is either fit to play or theres no point him being on the bench, he was deemed fit enough to change the game so why not start him.

I understand the need to rotate but after 2 losses we should play our best side. Mads R had a torrid time at RB, Bryan is prob our worst performing player atm and Ghoddos is too hot and cold with small glimpses of brilliance in and amongst large periods of mediocrity.

To see those three on the bench when we had lost Toney it was no wonder Coventry fancied their chances and had a real go.

:sueme:
Yeah and if all 3 are firing i would start them as well but they are obviously not otherwise we would of beat that crap from up the road on Wednesday.
Im sure even an idiot like our manager franks knows that but like 99% of the squad they were not fully fit.
Joking aside, we all know what our strongest starting team is but we have to trust mr Frank and the coaching staff to know who is the most fittest to play.
Yeah it didn't work today.
 

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I believe JDS and Henrik are carrying injuries. If they start every game they will end up like Rico, doing more serious damage.

Aside from perhaps starting Fosu, I can’t see what other team selection would have changed the outcome today?
 

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There undoubtedly were too many changes to make that our strongest team today but unfortunately TF didn't have much room for manoeuvre. Next weeks team will undoubtedly be stronger and I'm sure the result will reflect this.
 

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There undoubtedly were too many changes to make that our strongest team today but unfortunately TF didn't have much room for manoeuvre. Next weeks team will undoubtedly be stronger and I'm sure the result will reflect this.
Well at least Sheffield Wednesday are not going to have any idea about how we are going to set up on Wednesday
 

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IMHO Thomas is certainly at the most challenging point in his time at Brentford, if not in his career.

Yesterday the team's 'body language' was extremely worrying.

Many leaders out injured. Unlikely to see any back for the next three / four games.

x Factor players not firing or carrying injury.

xG data is showing adverse trends. xG For since Boro and xG Against since Luton.

Back in 2018 -19 the data was in Thomas's favour. Now it is not.

Couldn't ask for an easier game than Wednesday on Wednesday. Win, and all is good. Lose and........
 

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IMHO Thomas is certainly at the most challenging point in his time at Brentford, if not in his career.

Yesterday the team's 'body language' was extremely worrying.

Many leaders out injured. Unlikely to see any back for the next three / four games.

x Factor players not firing or carrying injury.

xG data is showing adverse trends. xG For since Boro and xG Against since Luton.

Back in 2018 -19 the data was in Thomas's favour. Now it is not.

Couldn't ask for an easier game than Wednesday on Wednesday. Win, and all is good. Lose and........
What a nutty post.
Try to see the big picture:
2 fantastic forwards scoring more than 50 goals SOLD
Hangover from last seasons play offs - INEVITABLE
Captain and defensive leader - OUT FOR MOST OF THIS SEASON
Last year's Player of the Year & Defensive kingpin - OUT FOR MOST OF THIS SEASON
A new stadium with additional costs - & NO INCOME
NO REINFORCEMENTS IN JANUARY - No money, no value

He has achieved
Staying in the Championship
Having a decent season
Having a Cup run
Being financially solvent post Covid
Developing and blooding the B team investment

He may still achieve direct promotion or the play offs

That is why yours is a nutty post and so typical of the TF haters who have had to be quiet for so long. In my view he is as safe as houses and no amount of short term XG will change that.
 

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He's been working his socks off nonstop for months for our entertainment. Football supporters can criticise or applaud him . That's the nature of the job . While he is at Brentford I will support him as that's my job. COYBs.
 

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What a nutty post.
Try to see the big picture:
2 fantastic forwards scoring more than 50 goals SOLD
Hangover from last seasons play offs - INEVITABLE
Captain and defensive leader - OUT FOR MOST OF THIS SEASON
Last year's Player of the Year & Defensive kingpin - OUT FOR MOST OF THIS SEASON
A new stadium with additional costs - & NO INCOME
NO REINFORCEMENTS IN JANUARY - No money, no value

He has achieved
Staying in the Championship
Having a decent season
Having a Cup run
Being financially solvent post Covid
Developing and blooding the B team investment

He may still achieve direct promotion or the play offs

That is why yours is a nutty post and so typical of the TF haters who have had to be quiet for so long. In my view he is as safe as houses and no amount of short term XG will change that.
Wow LOL. No one has even mentioned about hating TF or wanting him out on here....you really need to think about your posts before posting stuff like that ;). It’s a football forum about expressing views on what’s currently happening ? Unbelievable Jeff !!!!
 

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That is why yours is a nutty post and so typical of the TF haters who have had to be quiet for so long. In my view he is as safe as houses and no amount of short term XG will change that.

I respect your opinion that I have posted a 'Nutty Post'

Re read my post and you will see many points you make, I have covered too. In the posts, this one and look at my timeline, I do not say sack the Head Coach. I am not a TF hater. I am not in the TF out camp.

Based on data, in my humble. yet nutty opinion, Thomas faces his biggest challenge at Brentford. To suggest otherwise would be to look at current situation with 'rose coloured glasses'.

To achieve automatics from where we stand today would make Thomas the greatest 'Manager' in my 45 years supporting the club. Despite our position, I think automatics is a very big ask under current circumstance.

If we are a Championship team come June this year would I remove Thomas. Absolutely not.

If data trends continue as they are, it would be interesting how the club views the impact of the injury gods, tools available and the data on the Head Coaches position. I would guess they would stick with Thomas too.

On that note, I lay down my keyboard and off to see my Psychiatrist.
 

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Wow LOL. No one has even mentioned about hating TF or wanting him out on here....you really need to think about your posts before posting stuff like that ;). It’s a football forum about expressing views on what’s currently happening ? Unbelievable Jeff !!!!

I rest my case for the defence
 

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Wow LOL. No one has even mentioned about hating TF or wanting him out on here....you really need to think about your posts before posting stuff like that ;). It’s a football forum about expressing views on what’s currently happening ? Unbelievable Jeff !!!!
As you say it’s about views, these are mine. What are you getting worked up about anyway ? I never accused you of wanting. TF out. My opinion is that there are people on here who are implacable TF haters.
 

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Hate is a bit strong really. I don't see how you can dislike him, he's doing a pretty good job with what he's given to work with. I doubt anyone could do better ?
 

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What a nutty post.
Try to see the big picture:
2 fantastic forwards scoring more than 50 goals SOLD
Hangover from last seasons play offs - INEVITABLE
Captain and defensive leader - OUT FOR MOST OF THIS SEASON
Last year's Player of the Year & Defensive kingpin - OUT FOR MOST OF THIS SEASON
A new stadium with additional costs - & NO INCOME
NO REINFORCEMENTS IN JANUARY - No money, no value

He has achieved
Staying in the Championship
Having a decent season
Having a Cup run
Being financially solvent post Covid
Developing and blooding the B team investment

He may still achieve direct promotion or the play offs

That is why yours is a nutty post and so typical of the TF haters who have had to be quiet for so long. In my view he is as safe as houses and no amount of short term XG will change that.
This post has given me a real fillip. Some obvious facts which point out how much the club and specifically TF has done while trying to manage through trying times. He looks fatigued. I get that emotions are running high, but I don't hear many TF haters. The criticism can seem harsh and not thought through, but I don't think there are many (any?) haters. He is my favourite Brentford manager in my time, and there have been quite a few I have liked.
 

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He's a really nice genuine bloke..he looks knackered...away from his family...It must be hard for him...I hope it all goes well from now on...He deserves our support...I've been watching for over 60 years...we are doing so well considering the budget and size of club..Well done to him and all the staff...especially Matthew...Onwards and Upwards..No more moaning...
 

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Yes that was correct, still think they spend too much time in the 4th officials ear then getting onto our own miss firing players.

Sky kept mentioning his frustration.

and then you have the other half of our fans who constantly berate him for not being in the refs ear and for being too gracious afterwards when he should be calling out the bad decisions and laying into the ref,

Can’t win really can he.
 

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I think we can safely say this is a massive test for TF - I don’t know anyone of sound mind who thinks he isn’t up to it though.

We have - according to the statistics - deservedly lost three games in a row for the first time in a very, very long time.

Does TF stick with what has served us so well but is no longer working with the set of players we have available?

If we weren’t playing such an awful team on Wednesday I’d be tempted to go back to five at the back to try and stop this run in the same way we did in 2018
 

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I believe JDS and Henrik are carrying injuries. If they start every game they will end up like Rico, doing more serious damage.

Aside from perhaps starting Fosu, I can’t see what other team selection would have changed the outcome today?

Roeslev had a torrid time. We needed Dalsgaard the player and captain, Reid the leader and JDS the best player out there. Add to that playing the dreadfully misfiring BM when your best player IT is injured was like leading a shambolic lamb to the slaughter.

I understand players get tired but this was a game when we needed to put out the strongest possible 11, we had to get something out of this and prevent this from turning into a bit of a mini collapse.

I would rather we got the points, kept on track and psychologically got the rest of the division thinking we are back and fearing us again and then worry about Wednesday when the day comes.

it was a bad judgement by TF and his team, they underestimated Coventry and put a team out with no leaders and too many players not up to the fight like BM who is a shadow of last seasons player and shouldn’t be near the first 11.

He has made mistakes in the past and will make them again I suspect.

Rico is another very unfortunate blow,

Are other top teams getting these injuries or do they have bigger squads.
 

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its not all TF fault , we all knew we relied too heavily on Ivan , we dont have left back cover , we needed an extra midfielder too .Of the top teams ,Norwich have a big squad and still signed an international left back in Jan .Watford too have a huge squad , Swansea have loanees hanging out of their arses , Muff got players in ,only us and Reading didnt sign anyone .I know we tied to get players in , but the business model should of been tweaked , and its costing us now
 

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As you say it’s about views, these are mine. What are you getting worked up about anyway ? I never accused you of wanting. TF out. My opinion is that there are people on here who are implacable TF haters.
He may be getting a bit upset because you said his post was nutty, it's an opinions site.
 

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We loaned out HD and DT without any replacements imo we don't have a squad depth to do that.
 

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You cannot use sample sizes that small and get a clear outlook on the bigger picture.

The xG data changed dramatically against Boro.... Until then, there had been only one game in the previous 22 where we'd been on the wrong side of the xG spread (xG-For vs. xG-Against), funnily enough vs. QPR.

Both the Boro and Reading results camouflaged the fact that we'd been 'outscored' on xG. In the first 27 goals of the season we averaged 1.7 xG-For; exactly double the xG-Against. In the last four games, our xG-For has more than halved... to 0.78 For.

Earlier in the season, our clean sheets saved us when we had off days in front of goal, but in the last three we've conceded 6 (should only have been 4 on xG), just as the goals have dried up.

The squad was already knackered from playing more games than anyone else, with a tight squad and key injuries, and my guess is that the comeback efforts agains Bristol, Boro and Reading just pushed us over the edge. We hit the wall. And we've got another seven games in the next 27 days! I hope Christian and Emiliano are getting close ;)
 

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its not all TF fault , we all knew we relied too heavily on Ivan , we dont have left back cover , we needed an extra midfielder too .Of the top teams ,Norwich have a big squad and still signed an international left back in Jan .Watford too have a huge squad , Swansea have loanees hanging out of their arses , Muff got players in ,only us and Reading didnt sign anyone .I know we tied to get players in , but the business model should of been tweaked , and its costing us now
I posted at half time during the game that Thomas Frank looked shattered, not just the players, which got me thinking. When I was working, I worried most when things were in the balance beyond my control. I question therefore, the extent of the powers Thomas Frank really has at his disposal. Is it Frank’s decision to loan out players, or some form of committee? Does Frank have the final say on whether to buy or loan a particular player? Are the stress figures the determinant for instance, of whether or not a player is automatically subbed?
 

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I felt the players let Thomas down on Saturday. When the first question on Sky was about Ivan Toney's absence you could tell he just wanted to yell 'yeah, no sh*t Sherlock!' at the guy, but instead he spent about half his allotted time bigging up Marcus Forss - who then proceeded to play like it wasn't his job to actually score. Total lack of b*llocks in some quarters and if I was Thomas I'd be sitting the squad down today and asking them if they actually wanted to go up, or not.

Reality is we have a paper-thin squad, and trying to nurse players with knocks by putting them on the bench and trusting others to step up against a poor side was not that stupid a plan. Didn't work out, but we're still hanging in there - maybe the management team figure it's more important to have players fit at the end of the season so we can actually finish the job, than play them through knocks and win every game in February.

Having said that, Rico getting injured is a kick in the teeth.
 

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Roeslev had a torrid time. We needed Dalsgaard the player and captain, Reid the leader and JDS the best player out there.

As I mentioned, Henrik and JDS are carrying injuries. If you start them, you risk doing serious damage (as per Rico) and then we really are in trouble.
 

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Roeslev had a torrid time. We needed Dalsgaard the player and captain, Reid the leader and JDS the best player out there. Add to that playing the dreadfully misfiring BM when your best player IT is injured was like leading a shambolic lamb to the slaughter.

I understand players get tired but this was a game when we needed to put out the strongest possible 11, we had to get something out of this and prevent this from turning into a bit of a mini collapse.

I would rather we got the points, kept on track and psychologically got the rest of the division thinking we are back and fearing us again and then worry about Wednesday when the day comes.

it was a bad judgement by TF and his team, they underestimated Coventry and put a team out with no leaders and too many players not up to the fight like BM who is a shadow of last seasons player and shouldn’t be near the first 11.

He has made mistakes in the past and will make them again I suspect.

Rico is another very unfortunate blow,

Are other top teams getting these injuries or do they have bigger squads.
Roeslev Rasmussen is a very good right back, and probably will eventually take over from Henrik. He has been out for a long time with injury, and like everyone else will require several games in order to get back up to speed. He has played in just one of the last three games .
 

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I posted at half time during the game that Thomas Frank looked shattered, not just the players, which got me thinking. When I was working, I worried most when things were in the balance beyond my control. I question therefore, the extent of the powers Thomas Frank really has at his disposal. Is it Frank’s decision to loan out players, or some form of committee? Does Frank have the final say on whether to buy or loan a particular player? Are the stress figures the determinant for instance, of whether or not a player is automatically subbed?
The answers to your questions have been well documented over the last few years.
 

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Roeslev Rasmussen is a very good right back, and probably will eventually take over from Henrik. He has been out for a long time with injury, and like everyone else will require several games in order to get back up to speed. He has played in just one of the last three games .
Agree with that. He looked rusty on Sat, as did Forss.
It's a tricky situation. Several regulars look jaded.
A case could be made for giving starts to the likes of Bidstrup, Zamburek and maybe Gilbert on Weds.
Tired, experienced players or rusty inexperienced ones?
I'd favour fresh legs with an experienced bench, we"ll need our most experienced team v Stoke more IMO
 
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