Thomas Frank - Signs to June 2023

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Have a look on the Swansea board. They’re all complaining that they’ve played the same first 11 for weeks, who are now run into the ground and their options off the bench look v limited. We’re not alone. Reading board is similar if not even worse. Once we have a few back from injuries we will be fine... CN back Wednesday I pray
 

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The teams around us now need to worry about 'Brough, Cardiff, Barnsley and other teams that are big physical and top at the dark arts. I don't know if those teams are lucky with injuries, or that bigger robust players don't pick up injuries as frequently as the slight, speedy trickier ones.

TF will need all his nous. Unless we pick up more injuries I think we will be one of the stronger teams towards the end. Let's hope the key players are raring to go and the less experienced have that experience when the time comes.
 

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Have a look on the Swansea board. They’re all complaining that they’ve played the same first 11 for weeks, who are now run into the ground and their options off the bench look v limited. We’re not alone. Reading board is similar if not even worse. Once we have a few back from injuries we will be fine... CN back Wednesday I pray
Living up on the Lancashire Riviera,I know a lot of Everton fans . An equivalent of the GPG is an excellent site called ToffeeWeb,not just opinions but lots of interesting articles about the history of the Club,interviews with past players etc.Well worth a look for genuine footy fans.
Eight days ago,after losing to Fulham at home,their forum was full of their version of our Usual Suspects...Ancelloti was useless, no grasp of tactics ,formations, substitutions...players were clueless and spineless...club had missed out on transfers(which they could not have afforded anyway)..no chance of qualifying for Europe..all the b***ocks spouted by ignorant know alls .Amazingly,after the win at Anfield, the tone has completely changed...now genius manager etc. To be fair ,as on here, the majority of posters are grounded and sensible. However ,it just goes to show that every lion has its fleas. BFC no different than any other club. I have every confidence that Mr Frank ,his staff and the players will put the recent disappointments behind them.
 

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its not all TF fault , we all knew we relied too heavily on Ivan , we dont have left back cover , we needed an extra midfielder too .Of the top teams ,Norwich have a big squad and still signed an international left back in Jan .Watford too have a huge squad , Swansea have loanees hanging out of their arses , Muff got players in ,only us and Reading didnt sign anyone .I know we tied to get players in , but the business model should of been tweaked , and its costing us now
Do you think TF had any say in Thompson going out on loan, maybe he trhought he wan't good enough and would rather play Pinnock there.
 

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Roeslev Rasmussen is a very good right back, and probably will eventually take over from Henrik. He has been out for a long time with injury, and like everyone else will require several games in order to get back up to speed. He has played in just one of the last three games .
Exactly, that is why I think bringing him in at the same time we had to play Forss and then not playing JDS and Reid were bad mistakes. If we are bringing in kids coming back from long term injuries at least put some experience around them and not leave them exposed behind the dreadfully out of form BM and even more especially when your only regular goal scorer is injured. It was the perfect storm.
 

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and then you have the other half of our fans who constantly berate him for not being in the refs ear and for being too gracious afterwards when he should be calling out the bad decisions and laying into the ref,

Can’t win really can he.
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Exactly, that is why I think bringing him in at the same time we had to play Forss and then not playing JDS and Reid were bad mistakes. If we are bringing in kids coming back from long term injuries at least put some experience around them and not leave them exposed behind the dreadfully out of form BM and even more especially when your only regular goal scorer is injured. It was the perfect storm.
Spot on, it was an awful decision.
 

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To which my reaction would be; 'so what?'

When I started supporting Brentford we were near the bottom of the 4th Division. We've spent only about 7 of the last 66 seasons outside of the 3rd or 4th tier. I always dreamed of us being in the second tier but never even bothered to think about the top flight because it seemed so utterly unlikely. Now, thanks to clever investment and some supremely smart people running the club we find ourselves in a position where the impossible has become possible. But we are punching way above our weight by pretty much every metric you can think of. A place in the Premier League would be wonderful but even the fact that we are able to have serious conversations about the prospect is utterly bonkers.

Comparisons are difficult because of all the material advantages TF enjoys over past incumbents but he is surely one of the very best managers/head coaches we have been fortunate enough to employ. Could anybody draw more from the current squad? Possibly there are some out there who could, but the risk is enormous - Alan Curbishley and the hubris of Charlton fans spring to mind straight away. Just so long as we remain competitive in the Championship we are still living the dream. Losing top spot at this level is probably the best mini crisis we have ever experienced. These are the very best times any Brentford supporter under the age of about 80 has known and while we can still hope for even more we have no right to expect or demand it.
Mainly I agree with the sentiment. I too am of the age where most of my memories are from Divs 3 and 4. and when most of our players did not even know where in the league we were . However I can not get my head round the thoughts of some who seem to think we should just think ourselves fortunate to be where we are. This is not the Brentford of those past days,this is the Brentford where the stated ambition is to get into Premier league and for whatever reason we have just dropped 9 points with some pretty inept displays. Fail to see what positives we can take from that. If we adopt the stance above it indicates lack of ambition as it is felt we should just be grateful to be where we are
 

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Exactly, that is why I think bringing him in at the same time we had to play Forss and then not playing JDS and Reid were bad mistakes. If we are bringing in kids coming back from long term injuries at least put some experience around them and not leave them exposed behind the dreadfully out of form BM and even more especially when your only regular goal scorer is injured. It was the perfect storm.
Difficult to disagree, however, perhaps we had to, Henrik caring a knock?
 

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Agree with that. He looked rusty on Sat, as did Forss.
It's a tricky situation. Several regulars look jaded.
A case could be made for giving starts to the likes of Bidstrup, Zamburek and maybe Gilbert on Weds.
Tired, experienced players or rusty inexperienced ones?
I'd favour fresh legs with an experienced bench, we"ll need our most experienced team v Stoke more IMO
Risky!
 

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The answers to your questions have been well documented over the last few years.
The answers to your questions have been well documented over the last few years.
Thanks for your reply. Well Matthew Benham is obviously the controller of the business model, which has been there for a good few years now, as you say. I think Warburton was the last person to object!
 

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I am a big supporter of TF but I see our match on Wednesday as a litmus test of him and our whole coaching team. It should be remembered that Thomas is the management face but this is a team behind him. It would appear that we struggle to have a plan B or to consider the opposition with an approach of this is how we play and we do it very well. The best coaches often set up there teams considering the opposition and many even change their set up during the match now is the time for our management mettle to be show. Come on Thomas we are behind you !
 

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Thanks for your reply. Well Matthew Benham is obviously the controller of the business model, which has been there for a good few years now, as you say. I think Warburton was the last person to object!
I believe Matthew Benham positively encourages critical discussion and new ideas, with consensus agreement on improvements, and is willing to assess the risks of changes and exceptions. Hissy fits are discouraged, though.
 

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I’m fairly sure Norwich’s loss of form coincided with Buendia’s injury. As soon as he returned they were back winning
Readings did as my whinging reading mate told me after we stonked them, however they ha e got all their players back and still can’t win.
 

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To be fair, they were on a very decent run until we beat them the other week.
When they were missing Swift and Meite. Injuries will cause every team problems for spells.
 

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"Clever" use of the injury updates during the Sheff Weds pre match press conference......??

Took pressure off the team by stating a need to go "back to basics" rhetoric, and managing/lowering expectations to an extent that a fair few of us would have been 'happy' with a point last night. And were overjoyed with 3!!!!! 😀

Good work TF.
 

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"Clever" use of the injury updates during the Sheff Weds pre match press conference......??

Took pressure off the team by stating a need to go "back to basics" rhetoric, and managing/lowering expectations to an extent that a fair few of us would have been 'happy' with a point last night. And were overjoyed with 3!!!!! 😀

Good work TF.
I thought it was quite cathartic...👍
 

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"Clever" use of the injury updates during the Sheff Weds pre match press conference......??

Took pressure off the team by stating a need to go "back to basics" rhetoric, and managing/lowering expectations to an extent that a fair few of us would have been 'happy' with a point last night. And were overjoyed with 3!!!!! 😀

Good work TF.
It was impressive in what it left unsaid while cataloguing a huge list of injuries.
 

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IMHO Thomas is certainly at the most challenging point in his time at Brentford, if not in his career.

Yesterday the team's 'body language' was extremely worrying.

Many leaders out injured. Unlikely to see any back for the next three / four games.

x Factor players not firing or carrying injury.

xG data is showing adverse trends. xG For since Boro and xG Against since Luton.

Back in 2018 -19 the data was in Thomas's favour. Now it is not.

Couldn't ask for an easier game than Wednesday on Wednesday. Win, and all is good. Lose and........
Congratulations to Thomas. Challenge met and a great 3 - 0 win and all is good

"Clever" use of the injury updates during the Sheff Weds pre match press conference......??

Took pressure off the team by stating a need to go "back to basics" rhetoric, and managing/lowering expectations to an extent that a fair few of us would have been 'happy' with a point last night. And were overjoyed with 3!!!!! 😀

Good work TF.
Yes, indeed very good. In the build up left with the feeling of who were the last standing men who could play. No mention of Marcondes.

Top, top job Mr Frank. I tip my 🎩
 

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His next press conference "The squad has the squits. We will be playing our top top B team".
 

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Congratulations to Thomas. Challenge met and a great 3 - 0 win and all is good



Yes, indeed very good. In the build up left with the feeling of who were the last standing men who could play. No mention of Marcondes.

Top, top job Mr Frank. I tip my 🎩
And Thomas moves on another level. May I tip my 🎩 twice
 

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3 defeats in 28 is a fair record for any manager.
Not only that but loved his post match interview. He admitted we were bad in the first half. I like that from a manager being honest with fans. This is so important and earns lots more respect. TF is also growing in his role and as a manager in my eyes getting better and better. We are fortunate to have him and in my view the best manager we have had since I started as started supporting Brentford in the early 1980s.
 

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Did we react to Derby’s changes 2nd half....or did we just let that happen?

I feel TF is so slow to react sometimes. 1st half was great but there was always going to be a reaction 2nd half from Derby. Surely you see that happening, you see the subs, you see the change of shape, you see their first goal go in and you make changes to shore it up?

Not having that tonight from Thomas.
 

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Did we react to Derby’s changes 2nd half....or did we just let that happen?

I feel TF is so slow to react sometimes. 1st half was great but there was always going to be a reaction 2nd half from Derby. Surely you see that happening, you see the subs, you see the change of shape, you see their first goal go in and you make changes to shore it up?

Not having that tonight from Thomas.
He has this odd habit of leaving it until the 65th or 70th minute for subs. It’s like a form
Of OCD he can’t not do it. No matter what the situation.
 

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Did we react to Derby’s changes 2nd half....or did we just let that happen?

I feel TF is so slow to react sometimes. 1st half was great but there was always going to be a reaction 2nd half from Derby. Surely you see that happening, you see the subs, you see the change of shape, you see their first goal go in and you make changes to shore it up?

Not having that tonight from Thomas.
Best manager we've ever had but you're dead right and he needs to sort it if we are going to go up.
 

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I am starting to wonder if we do not go up. Will it be his last season? Obviously he’s done fantastic and we are in a strong position in the table - but you don’t want to get into a habit of being always “close” and not achieving the desired goal.

this is not a Thomas out post. Just a general question.
 

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I am starting to wonder if we do not go up. Will it be his last season? Obviously he’s done fantastic and we are in a strong position in the table - but you don’t want to get into a habit of being always “close” and not achieving the desired goal.

this is not a Thomas out post. Just a general question.
A fair one too. I would give him another shot, but it's not like our budget is rock bottom anymore
 

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Best manager we've ever had but you're dead right and he needs to sort it if we are going to go up.
I think it’s exactly the sort of thing holding us back.

We’ve let so many points go from winning positions - Swansea home and away, Norwich home, Blackburn home, QPR away, tonight. That’s a lot of points and I’ve probably missed some.

I know we’ve come from behind to win games which is great, but there seems to be a real problem seeing games out....still.
 

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I am starting to wonder if we do not go up. Will it be his last season? Obviously he’s done fantastic and we are in a strong position in the table - but you don’t want to get into a habit of being always “close” and not achieving the desired goal.

this is not a Thomas out post. Just a general question.
I wonder if he’d have the energy to ‘go again’ for another season if say we got dumped out the play offs again this year.
 
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Frank is very good at setting up a system for the team to play in, an environment where they can play to their optimum best.

However he is pretty bad at managing games, he doesn’t change the shape, tactics, just makes personnel changes and hopes that’ll do.

Our problem now is that none of Fosu, Canos or Mbeumo are good enough to start consistently. They work as a rotation in putting the extra numbers together we need for goals and assists, but you just can’t rely on any of them. So we find ourselves in a sort of Groundhog Day where we’re scurrying for control of games by making the same changes over and over.

Unless we get Dasilva and Henry back soon, we can’t keep relying on this same system that is consistently being exploited by opposition managers who are willing to play with their own shape and style.

Frank needs to step up because we’re getting shades of that play-off final where Parker completely out thought him
 

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Frank is very good at setting up a system for the team to play in, an environment where they can play to their optimum best.

However he is pretty bad at managing games, he doesn’t change the shape, tactics, just makes personnel changes and hopes that’ll do.

Our problem now is that none of Fosu, Canos or Mbeumo are good enough to start consistently. They work as a rotation in putting the extra numbers together we need for goals and assists, but you just can’t rely on any of them. So we find ourselves in a sort of Groundhog Day where we’re scurrying for control of games by making the same changes over and over.

Unless we get Dasilva and Henry back soon, we can’t keep relying on this same system that is consistently being exploited by opposition managers who are willing to play with their own shape and style.

Frank needs to step up because we’re getting shades of that play-off final where Parker completely out thought him
Agree to a point but please look at games started for Fosu his stats are very good so I think when you have seen these you will change your opinion 🤔
 

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ive said it all along since the very beginning.......i like him but hes not that good tactically and his subs are worrying........nothing much has changed unfortunately........if we dont go up i cant see him wanting to give it another go......even he would find it hard to go a 3rd time........lets hope he gets it right the 2nd time then ;)
 

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I bloody love the bloke, but I can’t defend that second half and the complete lack of any kind of reaction to Derby’s changes.
I agree this maybe the chink in his armour. But to be fair he's been let down badly by the DOF's lack of signings. Don't want to single out any individuals but we lack quality in a few positions. Like people said last season if we don't go up we'll lose a few of our best players and have to start all over again.
 

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Agree with all that has been said about substitutes above.

It was clear from 10 mins into the second half that changes were needed. By the time they were finally made we had ceded all the momentum to Derby and had no answer.

The second failing was tactical. Whatever Derby did at HT, we were 2-0 up. Derby were always going to have to come at us. We failed to keep the ball and make sure Derby were chasing us. We constantly gave them the ball abs invited them on to us.
 

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