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I agree this maybe the chink in his armour. But to be fair he's been let down badly by the DOF's lack of signings. Don't want to single out any individuals but we lack quality in a few positions. Like people said last season if we don't go up we'll lose a few of our best players and have to start all over again.
This is a fair point to be honest, in seasons gone past we have planned several transfer windows in advance. We had Toney lined up to replace Watkins but we never replaced Benrahma, and I have no idea who would be a replacement for Rico or Ivan. No one can deny the success of the DoFs but sometimes the strength/success can become a weakness. I know roughly how we work as a club but the most disappointing thing in Jan was the comment from Phil G when he said we had a couple lined up but we couldn’t accept the price....obviously I’m not in the know but if we are talking 1-2 million of difference sometimes it is worth the gamble....after all if we did go up then every price would increase for us! Anyway only time will tell!
 

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...obviously I’m not in the know but if we are talking 1-2 million of difference sometimes it is worth the gamble....after all if we did go up then every price would increase for us! Anyway only time will tell!
...if its someone else's (albeit who has a gambling background) money!
 

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Thomas Frank is, sometimes, criticized for not taking tactical action sooner, and he does appear to be remarkably consistent in his use of late substitutions. Unless injuries occur, they are rarely executed before the 70th minute, regardless of the matches' outcome. Here is a hypothesis: maybe it is a data-driven strategy from the club about the most significant impact of tactical changes? I just took a glance at 10 of his games in Brøndby in 2015/2016. There he substituted with more variation (in 40 min., 50 min, generally 60 min. and 70 min).
 

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Sorry, not having this "we NEVER react to what the opposition are doing by changing our tactics/using subs" narrative.

What about 2nd half at home to the RaRas at the end of last year, after they dominated first half? Going down to 10 men away at Watford? Last 30 minutes away to Reading? 2nd half of Stoke at home? etc. etc...........

Fair enough, sometimes what he does/doesn't do hasn't worked, but which Manager gets things right 100% of the time?
TF has got plenty in the credit column as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Queue the rose tinted glasses mob but how many chances does he get at it?

I would give him until the end of the season and have a shake up when we fail in the playoffs as usual - god knows who will come in but TF is obvisiously limited and not taking us to the next level
 

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This is a fair point to be honest, in seasons gone past we have planned several transfer windows in advance. We had Toney lined up to replace Watkins but we never replaced Benrahma, and I have no idea who would be a replacement for Rico or Ivan. No one can deny the success of the DoFs but sometimes the strength/success can become a weakness. I know roughly how we work as a club but the most disappointing thing in Jan was the comment from Phil G when he said we had a couple lined up but we couldn’t accept the price....obviously I’m not in the know but if we are talking 1-2 million of difference sometimes it is worth the gamble....after all if we did go up then every price would increase for us! Anyway only time will tell!
You summed it up when you said I am not in the know.
 

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Queue the rose tinted glasses mob but how many chances does he get at it?

I would give him until the end of the season and have a shake up when we fail in the playoffs as usual - god knows who will come in but TF is obvisiously limited and not taking us to the next level
If we don't make it this season then I think its fair to say there will be a shake up of players. With regards to TF who knows, but it's easy to throw the bath water out as if we need to find someone to blame. He of course may not want to continue. But lastly who would you replace him with? I don't think for one minute he will be pushed being our most successful manager since the 1930s, wouldn't make sense to me.
 

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Queue the rose tinted glasses mob but how many chances does he get at it?

I would give him until the end of the season and have a shake up when we fail in the playoffs as usual - god knows who will come in but TF is obvisiously limited and not taking us to the next level
Mob? Mob! Surely it's a brigade.
 

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Thomas Frank is, sometimes, criticized for not taking tactical action sooner, and he does appear to be remarkably consistent in his use of late substitutions. Unless injuries occur, they are rarely executed before the 70th minute, regardless of the matches' outcome. Here is a hypothesis: maybe it is a data-driven strategy from the club about the most significant impact of tactical changes? I just took a glance at 10 of his games in Brøndby in 2015/2016. There he substituted with more variation (in 40 min., 50 min, generally 60 min. and 70 min).
This is a fair point to be honest, in seasons gone past we have planned several transfer windows in advance. We had Toney lined up to replace Watkins but we never replaced Benrahma, and I have no idea who would be a replacement for Rico or Ivan. No one can deny the success of the DoFs but sometimes the strength/success can become a weakness. I know roughly how we work as a club but the most disappointing thing in Jan was the comment from Phil G when he said we had a couple lined up but we couldn’t accept the price....obviously I’m not in the know but if we are talking 1-2 million of difference sometimes it is worth the gamble....after all if we did go up then every price would increase for us! Anyway only time will tell!
The rules have changed. Firstly, we no longer have free movement of labour cos we’re no longer in the EU, so we can no longer sign bargains that in the past have adjusted the odds in our favour. This does not suit our business model. Secondly, the ‘expansion of substitutes’ rule changes have caught us out. We don’t really have the squad size to change tactics half way through a game. Our business model and our tactics are a bit exposed at the mom. No wonder Frank looks tired!
 

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No Fosu is jus not consistent, he is the best this season out of Mbeumo and Canos but just not reliable game in, game out.
Imo Fosu, Canos, Mbeumo, and add Jensen to the list are incredibly week when faced with a challenge.Bryan is like a brick sh*thouse in build, but they all just surrender the ball way too easily. Bryan has done this so many times and its frankly embarrassing. If the fans can see how easily we surrender the ball then surely TF should be addressing the situation.
 

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I think I remember TF outlining something like the aim being for the players on the pitch to figure out solutions to the changes in tactics and formations/players of the other lot. Easier said than done if that is the case. England's rugby team can't do it either.

Another difficulty maybe, the no dickheads policy. Are we a bit too nice, lacking a bit of devilment and that winning mentality even after the confidence of an incredible 21 game unbeaten run? I don't know, only asking.
 

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I am starting to wonder if we do not go up. Will it be his last season? Obviously he’s done fantastic and we are in a strong position in the table - but you don’t want to get into a habit of being always “close” and not achieving the desired goal.

this is not a Thomas out post. Just a general question.
It's a fair question and I believe that if we don't do it this year, he will be off sooner rather than later. I wouldn't be surprised if all parties would think it needs a fresh face and approach. I think TF is a fantastic coach and generally top fella, but he has one or two very obvious blind spots, and as we know making the right subs at the right time is one of them. Last night's "performance " if you like from TF in the second half was very very poor. Reacted too late with the wrong decisions. Why is he not more proactive during the game??
 

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So if I have got this right
- Our Manager is drinking in the last chance
- He is naive
- He is tactically inept
- A couple of mill would have brought in a 2/3 world beaters other clubs would be happy to release
- Our business model is buggered
- We should allow dickheads
No wonder we are fighting relegation - oh no wait a minute!
 

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I think Derby's resolve in the second half shocked the team. If TF expected Derby to be as lifeless as they were in the second half he was missing a trick. I don't want to accuse him of the same attitude as Marcus Gayle's cringeworthy, "We just need to score a couple more goals to improve the aggregate,".. Rooney, for all the BS, is a serious sportsman, who sees his future in football. No. I'm not blaming Frank.
 

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It's a fair question and I believe that if we don't do it this year, he will be off sooner rather than later. I wouldn't be surprised if all parties would think it needs a fresh face and approach. I think TF is a fantastic coach and generally top fella, but he has one or two very obvious blind spots, and as we know making the right subs at the right time is one of them. Last night's "performance " if you like from TF in the second half was very very poor. Reacted too late with the wrong decisions. Why is he not more proactive during the game??
Not sure on that one . Thomas is so, so , so close, we can all smell the PL. and changing the coach imo will take it back a couple of seasons, and that is assuming that the new coach would get us up. The owner is not the type that thinks f*** this get rid of him, I reckon Matthew has the patience to carry on, and he does not seem to panic like a lot of us on here. Lets face it we are almost there. Thomas agrees with the model,we just need the bottle for that final push, and for all we know it could be this season.
 

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Would changing the head coach materially affect the way we play? IMHO, the only effect would be on tactical decisions in-game, everything else is determined by the others within the organisation structure.
 

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Thomas Frank is, sometimes, criticized for not taking tactical action sooner, and he does appear to be remarkably consistent in his use of late substitutions. Unless injuries occur, they are rarely executed before the 70th minute, regardless of the matches' outcome. Here is a hypothesis: maybe it is a data-driven strategy from the club about the most significant impact of tactical changes? I just took a glance at 10 of his games in Brøndby in 2015/2016. There he substituted with more variation (in 40 min., 50 min, generally 60 min. and 70 min).
I think that there is something in this.

We also know from many sources that Benham has told the club 'don't protect a lead' but go for another goal. The issue I have is that you can still make some tactical changes to react to a change of shape- move to a double pivot with two 6s and a more advanced 8, for example- and still press forward and not sit back and defend. Making changes as a reaction doesn't have to equate to protecting a lead.
 

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So if I have got this right
- Our Manager is drinking in the last chance
- He is naive
- He is tactically inept
- A couple of mill would have brought in a 2/3 world beaters other clubs would be happy to release
- Our business model is buggered
- We should allow dickheads
No wonder we are fighting relegation - oh no wait a minute!
You left out it's all Mbeumo's fault, but otherwise summed it up perfectly. Good work.
 

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Queue the rose tinted glasses mob but how many chances does he get at it?

I would give him until the end of the season and have a shake up when we fail in the playoffs as usual - god knows who will come in but TF is obvisiously limited and not taking us to the next level
So sack our best ever manager and bring in f*** knows? Sounds like a solid plan to me.
 

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The rules have changed. Firstly, we no longer have free movement of labour cos we’re no longer in the EU, so we can no longer sign bargains that in the past have adjusted the odds in our favour. This does not suit our business model. Secondly, the ‘expansion of substitutes’ rule changes have caught us out. We don’t really have the squad size to change tactics half way through a game. Our business model and our tactics are a bit exposed at the mom. No wonder Frank looks tired!
Do Barnsley have a bigger squad?
 

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Not sure on that one . Thomas is so, so , so close, we can all smell the PL. and changing the coach imo will take it back a couple of seasons, and that is assuming that the new coach would get us up. The owner is not the type that thinks f*** this get rid of him, I reckon Matthew has the patience to carry on, and he does not seem to panic like a lot of us on here. Lets face it we are almost there. Thomas agrees with the model,we just need the bottle for that final push, and for all we know it could be this season.
I don't think we're disagreeging are we, despite your doubt? I know TF buys into the model, we all do. But I'm not sure, if he were to leave, that making a change after TF had been with us for 4 or 5 years is exactly panicking? He may well stick. I just wouldn't be surprised to see a change before Christmas if we don't make it this year. And I'm certainly not the only one who feels our substitutions in games are predictable and not always very effective.
 

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So sack our best ever manager and bring in f*** knows? Sounds like a solid plan to me.
To say he’s our best ever manager is a far fetch imho. Our success is mainly down to the whole set up within the club and Frank just happens to be the ‘head coach’ I wouldn’t be fussed if Frank went tbh. Frank is like marmite I’m getting fed up to an extent of his delusion & repetitive vocabulary In interviews. Also game management I find quite poor a lot of the time. How he said “We know that next time we play this game we win 2-1, but today we didn’t and we need to move on” I don’t really agree with that seriously was riding our luck yesterday in the second half we went so negative & flat. You will be extremely lucky to come away with a win especially away with that showing in the second half. I was not surprised in the slightest when derby equalised & that is pretty poor. Also that f*** knows would most likely be Kevin O’Connor which may be a blessing
 

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All comes down to (realistic) expectations and relative success regarding longevity.

Farke's the longest serving because he delivers on the model whilst implementing a successful playing style on a very small budget.

Think a coach has probably 3 seasons max in this lg to achieve success (promo) as groundhog day ensues and it all goes a bit stale.
 

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We are all looking for a reason for the recent issues (injuries, lack of signings, TF tactical failings, curses etc etc) but come decision time - if we get promoted or not - Benham will be heavily influenced by the cold hard data.

As we all know, our owner's approach has undoubtedly worked in the long run but with inevitable bumps along the way. So if this summer he backs TF or he gives him the boot I'll be comfortable with the call made.
 

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So sack our best ever manager and bring in f*** knows? Sounds like a solid plan to me.
I doubt that would ever be the case. I am 99% certain that the club has a continuity plan in place, with a constant shortlist of prospective candidates that they have been watching for the last few years.
 

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I am starting to wonder if we do not go up. Will it be his last season? Obviously he’s done fantastic and we are in a strong position in the table - but you don’t want to get into a habit of being always “close” and not achieving the desired goal.

this is not a Thomas out post. Just a general question.
We are competing against two clubs who enjoyed parachute payments when constructing their squads. They are consequently larger and packed with quality. We would do well to consider that fact before condemning either the players or the manager. I wonder whether we should manage our players game time now to cater for another tilt at the playoffs even though that may expose us to the dreaded Barnsley press.
 

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My worry is that Thomas Frank fails to deliver, and there will be almost no choice other than to let him go at the end of the season, or have a significant review after the first quarter of next season.

Failure to deliver is based on so many factors, but ultimately, it's failure and the club needs to see a return on investment.

We have become infinitely more competitive in respect of the squad, but we are still operating at a loss, and it is being funded by the player sales. I would think that the club would like our operating losses funded by Premier League money, not by player sales, so we can move into building bigger playing budgets to be even more competitive.
 

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I don't think we're disagreeging are we, despite your doubt? I know TF buys into the model, we all do. But I'm not sure, if he were to leave, that making a change after TF had been with us for 4 or 5 years is exactly panicking? He may well stick. I just wouldn't be surprised to see a change before Christmas if we don't make it this year. And I'm certainly not the only one who feels our substitutions in games are predictable and not always very effective.
No not disagreeing with you on subs or anything tactically, it all about opinions, some may think Thomas can’t take us forward. I happen to think that he can on the basis that we are almost there.
 

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To say he’s our best ever manager is a far fetch imho. Our success is mainly down to the whole set up within the club and Frank just happens to be the ‘head coach’ I wouldn’t be fussed if Frank went tbh. Frank is like marmite I’m getting fed up to an extent of his delusion & repetitive vocabulary In interviews. Also game management I find quite poor a lot of the time. How he said “We know that next time we play this game we win 2-1, but today we didn’t and we need to move on” I don’t really agree with that seriously was riding our luck yesterday in the second half we went so negative & flat. You will be extremely lucky to come away with a win especially away with that showing in the second half. I was not surprised in the slightest when derby equalised & that is pretty poor. Also that f*** knows would most likely be Kevin O’Connor which may be a blessing
He's led us to our highest standing in modern times, so certainly the most succesful. Let's see how the rest of the season pans out before we reach for the pitchforks.
 

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To say he’s our best ever manager is a far fetch imho. Our success is mainly down to the whole set up within the club and Frank just happens to be the ‘head coach’ I wouldn’t be fussed if Frank went tbh. Frank is like marmite I’m getting fed up to an extent of his delusion & repetitive vocabulary In interviews. Also game management I find quite poor a lot of the time. How he said “We know that next time we play this game we win 2-1, but today we didn’t and we need to move on” I don’t really agree with that seriously was riding our luck yesterday in the second half we went so negative & flat. You will be extremely lucky to come away with a win especially away with that showing in the second half. I was not surprised in the slightest when derby equalised & that is pretty poor. Also that f*** knows would most likely be Kevin O’Connor which may be a blessing

By that logic, any failure to get promoted must be also down to " the whole set up"....
 

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In Frank's defence, he's just seen us batter Derby in the first 45.
Why would he change it ?

I suppose he trusted that team to pick up the slack.
Also the whole point of playing Pontus and Reid was presumably to avoid situations where the team lose the plot and panic and provide better organisation and a calming influence/presence on the pitch. We've talked as a club consistently about giving the players the means and reigns to change things on the pitch themselves. He can't have been happy with the contribution of his senior players yesterday, particularly in that first 20 mins of the second half.
 

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I doubt that would ever be the case. I am 99% certain that the club has a continuity plan in place, with a constant shortlist of prospective candidates that they have been watching for the last few years.
For sure, but lets give TF our full support in the meantime. The hysterical over reaction on here to drawing away is doing my head in.
 

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Frank is like marmite I’m getting fed up to an extent of his delusion & repetitive vocabulary In interviews.
Thomas, like all managers, has to give 4 interviews on week on the same subject for months and months on end.

If you go and listen to any manager you will have the same criticism, and for good reason - you get asked the same questions 4 times a week on the same topic.

Thomas's interviews are actually quite entertaining on the "Football Manager Repetitive Interview Stakes" table. Go and listen to Rooney's pre-match interview for this fixture if you really want boring.
 

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In Frank's defence, he's just seen us batter Derby in the first 45.
Why would he change it ?

I suppose he trusted that team to pick up the slack.
Rooney made 3 subs and changed tactics ,maybe Thomas missed that and decided to carry on as if it was the first half again
 

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