Thomas Frank - Signs to June 2023

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I have one issue that irks me. Thomas can only use what is available and errors and failure to take chances arise because some of our players aren't quite up there. However Thomas can control the tempo we play at. IMO it's too slow coming out from the back. I get the point that you should try and dominate the ball but IMO you also have to take risks going forward. Fortune favours the brave. Today we saw another wasted first half with slow tempo. I'm sure at half time Thomas told the team to move the ball quicker but this seems to be a pattern.We also kill our own tempo when we take an easy option and pass backwards instead of looking to take a player on or take a forward pass.
 

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I have one issue that irks me. Thomas can only use what is available and errors and failure to take chances arise because some of our players aren't quite up there. However Thomas can control the tempo we play at. IMO it's too slow coming out from the back. I get the point that you should try and dominate the ball but IMO you also have to take risks going forward. Fortune favours the brave. Today we saw another wasted first half with slow tempo. I'm sure at half time Thomas told the team to move the ball quicker but this seems to be a pattern.We also kill our own tempo when we take an easy option and pass backwards instead of looking to take a player on or take a forward pass.
Thomas is always banging on about tempo. I'm sure that's the last thing he says when they go out on the pitch, but it's all about confidence in playing the ball out from the back and having the options to move the ball quickly. If no-one's in space to receive the ball, you can't move it quickly. Simple as. Millwall closed the space off very effectively. We didn't help ourselves with our lack of movement in the attacking third and our poor control at times but you can't just flick a switch and say 'full speed ahead'. We were able to move it quicker v Preston because there was loads of space in midfield. Norgaard was able to walk through and Fosu was finding holes in front of their defence. Rowett saw that and closed it all off perfectly. We unfortunately didn't have the nous or the ability to pull them apart. We needed someone to beat a man and commit their defenders but no-one seem capable. The one time we caused chaos in their defence was when Pontus went flying up the pitch into their pen area and we nearly scored from that. Sadly that was the one time that happened all match.
 

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Thomas is always banging on about tempo. I'm sure that's the last thing he says when they go out on the pitch, but it's all about confidence in playing the ball out from the back and having the options to move the ball quickly. If no-one's in space to receive the ball, you can't move it quickly. Simple as. Millwall closed the space off very effectively. We didn't help ourselves with our lack of movement in the attacking third and our poor control at times but you can't just flick a switch and say 'full speed ahead'. We were able to move it quicker v Preston because there was loads of space in midfield. Norgaard was able to walk through and Fosu was finding holes in front of their defence. Rowett saw that and closed it all off perfectly. We unfortunately didn't have the nous or the ability to pull them apart. We needed someone to beat a man and commit their defenders but no-one seem capable. The one time we caused chaos in their defence was when Pontus went flying up the pitch into their pen area and we nearly scored from that. Sadly that was the one time that happened all match.
I take the point re players not showing for forward passes. OK you can retain possession by knocking the ball sideways but that simply allows the oppo to get their shape and bank up. You wont get any more space. I would encourage players to hit balls behind the oppo and run onto them. OK we might not win the ball but it creates pressure and knock downs. The alternative is the dull carousel which we saw yesterday.You need to mix it up IMO.
 

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I have one issue that irks me. Thomas can only use what is available and errors and failure to take chances arise because some of our players aren't quite up there. However Thomas can control the tempo we play at. IMO it's too slow coming out from the back. I get the point that you should try and dominate the ball but IMO you also have to take risks going forward. Fortune favours the brave. Today we saw another wasted first half with slow tempo. I'm sure at half time Thomas told the team to move the ball quicker but this seems to be a pattern.We also kill our own tempo when we take an easy option and pass backwards instead of looking to take a player on or take a forward pass.
Yep. We’re playing a similar system now to Inter Milan (and other past Conte teams) but the difference in the tempo we play compared to them is night and day. So often we have a chance to break quickly but someone - yesterday often Fosu - slows down and turns back allowing their midfield to get back.
 

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I take the point re players not showing for forward passes. OK you can retain possession by knocking the ball sideways but that simply allows the oppo to get their shape and bank up. You wont get any more space. I would encourage players to hit balls behind the oppo and run onto them. OK we might not win the ball but it creates pressure and knock downs. The alternative is the dull carousel which we saw yesterday.You need to mix it up IMO.
You make a good point. Last season we had Ollie running onto the ball and attacking the goal with it. He scored a few doing that. But Ollie had the pace, being a former winger. Similarly, it was always exciting when Benrahma got the ball on the half way line cos you just knew he was going to try an attack with it. He’d often try to beat his marker before passing, thus breaking the defensive line. We haven’t got DaSilva available at the moment and he would be our man this season to run at them, nor Henry who would do the same down the line.
 

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You make a good point. Last season we had Ollie running onto the ball and attacking the goal with it. He scored a few doing that. But Ollie had the pace, being a former winger. Similarly, it was always exciting when Benrahma got the ball on the half way line cos you just knew he was going to try an attack with it. He’d often try to beat his marker before passing, thus breaking the defensive line. We haven’t got DaSilva available at the moment and he would be our man this season to run at them, nor Henry who would do the same down the line.
Agree we are missing Josh but Forss has enough pace down the middle but he got sweet FA in service.Apparently we have pace out wide but we aren't using it.
 

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Agree we are missing Josh but Forss has enough pace down the middle but he got sweet FA in service.Apparently we have pace out wide but we aren't using it.
Yes we are missing JDS , yes we have pace out wide but yesterday Millwall pushed our wide players back with their wing back pushing up.. There was not many time when we had pace out wide, to me we played to many ball up through the middle, this played into Millwalls plans

Against Cardiff we have to keep the ball down on the grass away fro Flint and play to pace out wide
Bournemouth pace against Cook could work and we will need to reduce the amount of ball and time on the ball that Lerma and Billings have
 

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I've made my point about our style and the need to mix it up.The best team l have ever seen was the Brazilian team which won the world cup in 1970. They went at it in a direct style to get their noses in front hitting balls beyond the last line of defence and taking men on when they broke. After that they switched to dominating the ball and hit you on the break. As time ticked on they managed games out with the style of play we start with.
OK we haven't got a mid of Clodoaldo Gerson ( what a player he was)Rivellino or a strike force of Pele Tostao and Jairzinho but the principle is the same.if you dont mix it we become what we are -predictable and dull. Teams know what we are about. If we mix it up they will at least have something to think about.
 

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Yes we are missing JDS , yes we have pace out wide but yesterday Millwall pushed our wide players back with their wing back pushing up.. There was not many time when we had pace out wide, to me we played to many ball up through the middle, this played into Millwalls plans

Against Cardiff we have to keep the ball down on the grass away fro Flint and play to pace out wide
Bournemouth pace against Cook could work and we will need to reduce the amount of ball and time on the ball that Lerma and Billings have
A good way to deal with wing backs who push up is to hit the ball behind them and use the pace of your own wide players to chase down the ball or if you are a wide attacker receiving the ball with room to turn just knock the ball beyond the defender and have a sprint with them. Dont be submissive. Put the pressure on them and move the play up the pitch.We waste wide possession by rolling it back all the time.
 

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A good way to deal with wing backs who push up is to hit the ball behind them and use the pace of your own wide players to chase down the ball or if you are a wide attacker receiving the ball with room to turn just knock the ball beyond the defender and have a sprint with them. Dont be submissive. Put the pressure on them and move the play up the pitch.We waste wide possession by rolling it back all the time.
Might have been able to do that with 433 rather than the restrictive 352.
 

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Might have been able to do that with 433 rather than the restrictive 352.
IMO you can do it with either. It's all in the mind. I wonder whether our system has made us too robotic and has restricted the thinking of the players.Jensen is the only one who thinks outside the box and he gets abuse on this forum.
 

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The only way he leaves this season is with an amicable mutual agreement i reckon. Think the club would be happy to give him atleast one more go provided thomas is willing and feels we have the squad to push on
 

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The only way he leaves this season is with an amicable mutual agreement i reckon. Think the club would be happy to give him atleast one more go provided thomas is willing and feels we have the squad to push on
Agree, but I have a feeling he will move on, could be wrong.
 

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Agree, but I have a feeling he will move on, could be wrong.
So have l if we don’t go up must be frustrating having to improve players every season and see them move on although that is the job description.I notice the same critics of Dean Smith ( now managing a massive top half PL team ) are doing the same to Thomas.
 

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To be fair the fans of the following teams wish their manager had got them into our current position
Reading
Cardiff
Millwall
QPR
Middlesboro
Stoke
Bristol City
Luton
Blackburn
Notts Forest
Preston
Birmingham
Huddersfield
Coventry
Derby
Rotherham
Sheff Wed
Wycombe
 

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Agree, but I have a feeling he will move on, could be wrong.
I take your point , a lot will depend on the Board , Ramus and Matthew Bentham.I can see him going to them saying I ve done my best but. It will be up to them to decide to give him more time. I can’t make up my mind which way it will go if we don’t get promoted
 

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The only way he leaves this season is with an amicable mutual agreement i reckon. Think the club would be happy to give him atleast one more go provided thomas is willing and feels we have the squad to push on
Not 100% behind that, 95% for me that he stays. He’s learning all the time

Where are Brentford, you can’t argue it’s a great ride we are on
 

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He will stay. He's on mission. Although l don't like the carousel being overdone, l'm mindful that he is our most successful manager since 1946. Can't really argue with that.He is key to our over achievement.
 

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I reckon he will walk if we don't go up - quite a few players will leave and I can't see him hanging around to start another cycle - might be good for all concerned honestly.
 

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I think he will walk if we don’t go up, looks tired and like he needs a break to recharge them batteries. We have a big 10 days coming up and I wish I could plug him in for a power boost in a nice way.
 

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Speaking as somebody who has worked during the whole thing, I am not surprised he’s feeling it.
Most things have been massively disrupted and much tougher than normal. Mentally and physically.
 

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I reckon he will walk if we don't go up - quite a few players will leave and I can't see him hanging around to start another cycle - might be good for all concerned honestly
Unless he gets a really good offer I doubt he will. He loves it here and really enjoys the project it seems. I do think we're over-egging the number of players who'll leave and also underestimating our ability to replace them
 

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Well I imagine we will be spending quite a few bob of the incoming money from Toney / Henry / Da Silva but the Brentford way as we know is the buy young and develop - can't see the team being promotion ready for a few seasons if this trio leaves if we fail this time around
 

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Whether or not we achieve promotion I feel Thomas will still be with us next season. A decent break to recharge the batteries and I am sure he will be raring to go again.

He is not perfect, but then very few managers are, in today’s world with most clubs you are only as good as your last game. No doubt he will look back upon the season and consider whether decisions he made could have been better however even if we are still in the Championship next season I consider that he has done a damn good job.

He knows the way we operate and that each season there will be a turnaround of players but I think he believes in the system and will want to prove that he can deliver us to the top league
 

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Well I imagine we will be spending quite a few bob of the incoming money from Toney / Henry / Da Silva but the Brentford way as we know is the buy young and develop - can't see the team being promotion ready for a few seasons if this trio leaves if we fail this time around
When were those three sold. I missed that.
 

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Unless he gets a really good offer I doubt he will. He loves it here and really enjoys the project it seems. I do think we're over-egging the number of players who'll leave and also underestimating our ability to replace them
I also hope his family are happy and settled here, that makes it easier for the guy.That will have a bearing on how he proceeds
 

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Now that TF has openly criticised the proposed ESL, i wonder if a few of our more “stubborn” fans are suddenly in favour of it?
 

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Not on this issue....I've never seen football fans so united. I've never seen Twitter so united!
 

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I reckon he will walk if we don't go up - quite a few players will leave and I can't see him hanging around to start another cycle - might be good for all concerned honestly.
Completely disagree with your assumption. The only way he will go is if MB asks him too. A big question for me is who would you get in to replace him? He is a pretty successful manager/ coach to have achieved playoffs these last two seasons. Most of us would sooner be at the top , than fighting relegation. Your comments about players leaving for me is our biggest drawback. Always a case of one step forward two steps back.
 

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Completely disagree with your assumption. The only way he will go is if MB asks him too. A big question for me is who would you get in to replace him? He is a pretty successful manager/ coach to have achieved playoffs these last two seasons. Most of us would sooner be at the top , than fighting relegation. Your comments about players leaving for me is our biggest drawback. Always a case of one step forward two steps back.
TF will walk if he wants to. Has nothing to do with MB.

These last few seasons have been full on. Especially the last two (including this one). Everyone is probably running on empty. TF has done phenomenally well.

If he walks and says, “I’m done. I need a break.”, then I’ll doff my cap to him and say, “thanks, it’s been fun!”
 

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I thought he was still in contract, and would have thought he would honour it.
 

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I remember what martin allen said about his departure and think it may be relatable to frank. Both seem like quite full on kind of guys who not only invest their footballing knowledge but like to develop people as human beings. Thomas has been dealing with alot of mostly young men trying to push them on and off the pitch, it must get quite intense and i would understand if he was abit "frazzled"
 

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TF will walk if he wants to. Has nothing to do with MB.

These last few seasons have been full on. Especially the last two (including this one). Everyone is probably running on empty. TF has done phenomenally well.

If he walks and says, “I’m done. I need a break.”, then I’ll doff my cap to him and say, “thanks, it’s been fun!”
..............what type of cap please?????...........
 

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..............what type of cap please?????...........
I don’t know?! Maybe One like Robin Hood used to wear. With a feather in it. 😎
 

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Do not want TF to walk, sack him now before it's too late. He's achieved nothing since he was appointed.
😂

Just taken us to our best position and best finish in the second tier since 1947.

sh*t happens. We are up against Clubs with huge budgets and parachute payments. Hard to compete.

We got close, twice. It’s now up to the POs once again.

ps he won’t get the sack.
 

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