Todd Kane of QPR - 7 Match Ban

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Rugby seems to be able to ban players for months and not games. Why can’t football?!!

Tony Clubb: Wigan Warriors forward banned for eight games for making racist comment

 

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Rugby seems to be able to ban players for months and not games. Why can’t football?!!

Tony Clubb: Wigan Warriors forward banned for eight games for making racist comment


And to illustrate this point you post a story where a rugby player was banned for games not months ?! 🤔
 

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Perhaps because if the referee has to be go off for any reason, the 4th official will have to replace him, so has to know? (Guess)
Seen as no action was taken, what is the 4th official going to do when he comes on?
 

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Seen as no action was taken, what is the 4th official going to do when he comes on?
Be aware of exactly what is reported to have gone on and act accordingly if there is some sort of repetition.

Having something down on paper also makes it less likely for there to be confusion afterwards at any subsequent enquiry. (Another guess)

Either way, I don't quite see why the referee having his 4th official make a written note is such a problem.
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Be aware of exactly what is reported to have gone on and act accordingly if there is some sort of repetition.
So if he hears something from Kane he's going to say "Ah, you did it twice now - so I will make my judgement to include an event that you were not spoken to about before and that I hear second hand from another player and if I didn't have that written down then I would approach this offence that I have witnessed myself differently". OK. Got it.

Anyway, I was hoping to avoid guesses, I suppose there's nothing on google.
 

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So if he hears something from Kane he's going to say "Ah, you did it twice now - so I will make my judgement to include an event that you were not spoken to about before and that I hear second hand from another player and if I didn't have that written down then I would approach this offence that I have witnessed myself differently". OK. Got it.

Anyway, I was hoping to avoid guesses, I suppose there's nothing on google.
Why you appear to think it a problem is anyones guess.
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Rugby seems to be able to ban players for months and not games. Why can’t football?!!

Tony Clubb: Wigan Warriors forward banned for eight games for making racist comment


Ironically a player I remember watching at Griffin Park playing for the London Broncos
 

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So if he hears something from Kane he's going to say "Ah, you did it twice now - so I will make my judgement to include an event that you were not spoken to about before and that I hear second hand from another player and if I didn't have that written down then I would approach this offence that I have witnessed myself differently". OK. Got it.

Anyway, I was hoping to avoid guesses, I suppose there's nothing on google.

I think you are over complicating this. Sergi tells the ref. The ref makes a note. The ref also tells the fourth, who also makes a note. So when it comes to an investigation, the 4th can confirm that the ref noted the incident at the stated time and not at some future time or date, as that would weaken the veracity of the claim. Good protocol. To "change" the facts would then require collusion.
 

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You can argue about how necessary it really is with matches being filmed these days, but one of the 4th official's jobs has always been to keep a full backup record of the game, with times - goals, cards, subs etc - all the stuff that goes into the ref's match report. He can see most of this from pitchside, but would need the ref to tell him about additional incidents such as the one in this game.
 

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I think you are over complicating this. Sergi tells the ref. The ref makes a note. The ref also tells the fourth, who also makes a note. So when it comes to an investigation, the 4th can confirm that the ref noted the incident at the stated time and not at some future time or date, as that would weaken the veracity of the claim. Good protocol. To "change" the facts would then require collusion.
Why does that require a visit to the sidelines when the ref and 4th official are in communication via audio?
 

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You can argue about how necessary it really is with matches being filmed these days, but one of the 4th official's jobs has always been to keep a full backup record of the game, with times - goals, cards, subs etc - all the stuff that goes into the ref's match report. He can see most of this from pitchside, but would need the ref to tell him about additional incidents such as the one in this game.
Yes indeed, and you don't see the ref heading over to the sidelines every time a player is booked with the ref giving the 4th official chapter and verse.
 

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Why does that require a visit to the sidelines when the ref and 4th official are in communication via audio?
I see Banana's holistic detective agency is on the case again.

Maybe his audio device was faulty? Maybe there's a protocol that racial abuse has to also be reported verbally? More importantly, why are you so fixated on this point? I assume there's a reason, the answer can't just be "I'm pedantic"
 

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It is possible that with racism and abuse etc being in the spotlight these days, the authorities have introduced a stronger protocol for such incidents, including stricter record keeping, than for other run-of-the-mill occurrences like yellow cards and substitutions etc.

Perhaps they experienced an evidential problem at a previous investigation, where the ref's recall/account was challenged?

Either that or it's a conspiracy.

My money's on a new UK variant of Q-Anon, likely to do with Bill and Melinda Gates divorce.

We need to keep digging, that's for sure.
 

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Dont quite a lot of jobs have these seemingly pointless or unnecessary procedures for one reason or another, whether we agree with them or not
 

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I see Banana's holistic detective agency is on the case again.

Maybe his audio device was faulty? Maybe there's a protocol that racial abuse has to also be reported verbally? More importantly, why are you so fixated on this point? I assume there's a reason, the answer can't just be "I'm pedantic"
I am genuinely interested or, as it is otherwise known, pedantic
 

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Dont quite a lot of jobs have these seemingly pointless or unnecessary procedures for one reason or another, whether we agree with them or not
"Seemingly" being the operative word.

I remember chatting to a senior (head?) steward at a game and the subject of bottle tops came up (yeah, it was that interesting a conversation lol).

I had assumed that catering staff always removed the top from a plastic bottle of coke or water etc when you bought it to stop it then being used as a missile - not so, apparently.

Rather it's that if an empty bottle gets dropped onto the ground, but it has no top on it, it will likely crumple should someone stand on it. Whereas if it has the top on it won't, meaning someone could roll their ankle and fall over. And should this happen on a crowded staircase after the match, with a large crowd rushing to leave, this could have a serious knock-on effect. Literally.

I assume the ref and 4th official had their own reason for making a note over the Kane incident, otherwise why would they bother?
 

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Anyway, I was hoping to avoid guesses, I suppose there's nothing on google.

From a quick Google:


“I went to see (fourth official) Jon Moss and the TV commentator said I was asking Jon what he had seen. Actually, me going to see Jon was because the protocol says you speak to the fourth official, make them aware of the incident and they go and tell the managers."

"Referees are under instructions to send off any player who they have heard making an offensive remark that involves race, ethnic origin, religious beliefs, colour, nationality, gender, sexual orientation or disability. If not, the instructions for referees include:

  • making a full note of what has been alleged in the next break of play and informing the managers.
  • inviting the player who had made the allegation into the referees’ room, accompanied by a club representative, to take a statement directly after the match.
  • holding a separate meeting with the accused player, accompanied by a club official, and recording what he or she says about the incident.
  • submitting an “extraordinary incident” report to the FA for the matter to be referred to the disciplinary department."

Of course, this doesn't answer as to why it's protocol 😁 . I would guess nathanbee is right - as an incident like this would likely become a criminal matter - double confirming what was allegedly said is important.
 

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From a quick Google:


“I went to see (fourth official) Jon Moss and the TV commentator said I was asking Jon what he had seen. Actually, me going to see Jon was because the protocol says you speak to the fourth official, make them aware of the incident and they go and tell the managers."

"Referees are under instructions to send off any player who they have heard making an offensive remark that involves race, ethnic origin, religious beliefs, colour, nationality, gender, sexual orientation or disability. If not, the instructions for referees include:

  • making a full note of what has been alleged in the next break of play and informing the managers.
  • inviting the player who had made the allegation into the referees’ room, accompanied by a club representative, to take a statement directly after the match.
  • holding a separate meeting with the accused player, accompanied by a club official, and recording what he or she says about the incident.
  • submitting an “extraordinary incident” report to the FA for the matter to be referred to the disciplinary department.
Brilliant. Thanks.

Not sure I saw the 4th official go and speak with the managers however - but that may have been "off camera"
 

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Brilliant. Thanks.

Not sure I saw the 4th official go and speak with the managers however - but that may have been "off camera"

Further in the article it says:

"Swarbrick’s role was to ascertain exactly what had happened and make sure everything was logged correctly in case the matter went further.", but a paragraph later he says he did this over the audio comms on that occasion. I assume they have just tightened up this procedure to remove any doubt.
 

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QPR are tossers for even typing that sh*t.

They should’ve just accepted the charge and moved on.

Now, people will either be pissed off at them or just as pissed off at us……

Stupid idiots.
 

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QPR are tossers for even typing that sh*t.

They should’ve just accepted the charge and moved on.

Now, people will either be pissed off at them or just as pissed off at us……

Stupid idiots.

indeed.. Particularly when we've just had a social media blackout in protest at abusive messages online. I would suggest Sergi shut down his twitter feed for a bit....
 

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Interesting that the FA chose to ignore Dickie backing up his team mate.

Collusion delusion confusion.
 

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It's a result. I'm not enjoying daCosta's declasse bilge being brought into it either. Why should it be tolerated?
 

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Horrible club, looks like the players are a mirror of their vermin supporters.
 

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Thought the outcome of this might have made the BBC Sport pages by now.........
 
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