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Correct, we don't have enough fans to fill the ground and the remaining tickets get sold to to other people

There are non ST brentford fans saying they cant get tickets ?
It has to be looked in to.

I'd rather a long term Bee with a membership get more games, than someone who's become a member in the last 6-12 months.
Those newer members should have to wait longer. Or when it is freed up to them in black of sales
 

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Getting rid of away fans in home seats has to be the priority, neutral/day trippers are potential new fans, so need to be managed differently.

Neutrals / day trippers should not able to get tickets for man u, chelsea, man c, liverpool, any London club, watford.
 

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I imagine that it’s the same situation at every other ground in the Prem. Away fans aren’t wanted but what we will have to accept is that there will be causal fans who will be there for the football and sadly that will include the players and big names on the away team. Mobile phones will be taken out. It’s the way the modern game has gone and it’s hard for the old school fans to accept.

The club is milking it we know that, but every club is doing the same. They need to tweak the system and make it easier for genuine bees fans to get tickets. No way should a member with 0 points have access before one with 200+ points.

We had to find 5-7k more fans, they will be casual and hopefully they turn into bees.

@Indian Bee i get the frustration but trust me @Banana and @hobbsy are doing a good job on this especially seeing as it’s their own time.

We won’t stop touts it happens at every game. What we have to do is make life tough for them and report seat numbers etc. Sadly its stuff that comes with the territory of being in the top league in this country. I guess the best thing is to try and move your seats.

The club won’t change their stance much as it’s easy money. Plus they will milk it as this may be our only time at the top. Doesn’t make it right but we knew it would happen.
 

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Getting rid of away fans in home seats has to be the priority, neutral/day trippers are potential new fans, so need to be managed differently.
I agree although I think the point @rebus was making about the club courting day trippers is part of the system that enables away fans in the home end so freely.
 
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while hearing @nanas point that there need to be more getting involved (with BIAS) than simply complaining about things, it would be great to know if there are currently (BIAS) plans to sit with the club to jointly plan and agree how the Membership scheme will operate next season.

I have sympathy with the club for what they have had to do this year, as it has been a pilot to unearth what level of interest there really is out there. No one could surely have predicted 18,000 memberships being sold.

But next year is a different thing. Memberships will have to be resold, and surely the scheme needs to be completely reviewed and redesigned to work in the interests of both older and newer members alike. Have heard 2 important ideas on here this morning. (1) Have a Member tier which rewards the multiple attender - ie pay more up front but with big discounts on each ticket - and guaranteed min number of ticket. (2) there needs to be more planning for how members with young families get more ST.
 

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Getting rid of away fans in home seats has to be the priority, neutral/day trippers are potential new fans, so need to be managed differently.
I think the issue is that whilst playing EPL games it's hard to distinguish a "neutral/day tripper" from an away fan, more so when against teams like Man United / players like Ronaldo.

Simple solution is none of them get to come to them games. Build your interest elsewhere, like every other fan has
 
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Not read all the comments but let me state I am 100% all for what the club are doing to encourage new fans. We need new fans. They are our future as What I don’t want is for people around me as was the case last night getting up and filming when United scored their second goal and smiling. I don’t think it was unreasonable for me last night to ask them what they are doing especially in the home end. I can’t fathom how any Brentford fan would get up and start recording/ taking pics of the opposition players celebrating their goals.

Any game that is ‘A’ listed you should have a minimum number of TAPs.
 

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while hearing @nanas point that there need to be more getting involved (with BIAS) than simply complaining about things, it would be great to know if there are currently (BIAS) plans to sit with the club to jointly plan and agree how the Membership scheme will operate next season.
The club "consult" rather than "jointly plan". However if every single Bees fan was a member of BIAS then they'd have a lot more clout when it comes to having their feedback heard at the consultations.
 

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while hearing @nanas point that there need to be more getting involved (with BIAS) than simply complaining about things, it would be great to know if there are currently (BIAS) plans to sit with the club to jointly plan and agree how the Membership scheme will operate next season.

I have sympathy with the club for what they have had to do this year, as it has been a pilot to unearth what level of interest there really is out there. No one could surely have predicted 18,000 memberships being sold.

But next year is a different thing. Memberships will have to be resold, and surely the scheme needs to be completely reviewed and redesigned to work in the interests of both older and newer members alike. Have heard 2 important ideas on here this morning. (1) Have a Member tier which rewards the multiple attender - ie pay more up front but with big discounts on each ticket - and guaranteed min number of ticket. (2) there needs to be more planning for how members with young families get more ST.
They are not going to sit and jointly plan with BIAS as they’ve made up their minds already.

BIAS’ role is to push back where possible when the full proposals are revealed. Sign up today for free and be part of the resistance. Numbers count. We need you.

 
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I imagine that it’s the same situation at every other ground in the Prem. Away fans aren’t wanted but what we will have to accept is that there will be causal fans who will be there for the football and sadly that will include the players and big names on the away team. Mobile phones will be taken out. It’s the way the modern game has gone and it’s hard for the old school fans to accept.

The club is milking it we know that, but every club is doing the same. They need to tweak the system and make it easier for genuine bees fans to get tickets. No way should a member with 0 points have access before one with 200+ points.

We had to find 5-7k more fans, they will be casual and hopefully they turn into bees.

@Indian Bee i get the frustration but trust me @Banana and @hobbsy are doing a good job on this especially seeing as it’s their own time.

We won’t stop touts it happens at every game. What we have to do is make life tough for them and report seat numbers etc. Sadly its stuff that comes with the territory of being in the top league in this country. I guess the best thing is to try and move your seats.

The club won’t change their stance much as it’s easy money. Plus they will milk it as this may be our only time at the top. Doesn’t make it right but we knew it would happen.

Yes sorry about that rant last night - appreciate all the efforts @Banana and @hobbsy do.
 
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Yeh, having been at a United home game in the Stretford end at Old Trafford recently with Utd mates, they were singing a song about the Busby babes (United Calypso).

Was gonna start a thread about how we can start to put together some more original chants of our own, but that's for another day. United fans were class yesterday so fair play.

As for the away fans in the home end, its a fkin depressing reality and I don't see a solution. Unfortunately we don't have that many fans and at this point i'm glad our stadium isn't any bigger. I've only been to a couple of Bees home games this season as i'm currently living overseas, but i'd be more than happy to confront away fans in the home end if they were making a scene/filming celebrations etc. Maybe that's what it's gonna take? I don't envy the East stand regulars at the moment tho.
United fans hand round song sheets
It doesn’t feel right to me. Like Southampton fans and their mobile phone nonsense
 

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They are not going to sit and jointly plan with BIAS as they’ve made up their minds already.

BIAS’ role is to push back where possible when the full proposals are revealed. Sign up today for free and be part of the resistance. Numbers count. We need you.

What a f***ing mess. Got the chairman saying one thing, and the CEO/Fans engagement something or another saying the opposite.
 

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What a f***ing mess. Got the chairman saying one thing, and the CEO/Fans engagement something or another saying the opposite.
Same with transferring TAPs to family members. Not permitted but there was CC stating that you could.
 

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while hearing @nanas point that there need to be more getting involved (with BIAS) than simply complaining about things, it would be great to know if there are currently (BIAS) plans to sit with the club to jointly plan and agree how the Membership scheme will operate next season.

I have sympathy with the club for what they have had to do this year, as it has been a pilot to unearth what level of interest there really is out there. No one could surely have predicted 18,000 memberships being sold.

But next year is a different thing. Memberships will have to be resold, and surely the scheme needs to be completely reviewed and redesigned to work in the interests of both older and newer members alike. Have heard 2 important ideas on here this morning. (1) Have a Member tier which rewards the multiple attender - ie pay more up front but with big discounts on each ticket - and guaranteed min number of ticket. (2) there needs to be more planning for how members with young families get more ST.
No sympathy at all. They sold memberships with the guarantee of seeing atleast one EPL game, and have continued to sell them past Christmas (albeit without the guarantee).
Knowing the popularity of the EPL, knowing how populated London is, knowing how many man u, Liverpool etc fans live within traveling distance to our ground and never see their own team before, knowing how small the away allocation is compared to most grounds and how a lot of clubs avid supporters will be chancers.
They just accepted the fact they'd take the money and "deal with it" (read: turn blind eye) later
 

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What a f***ing mess. Got the chairman saying one thing, and the CEO/Fans engagement something or another saying the opposite.

It's always the way...they do what they want, unless there's enough push back to force them to change their minds.

Cliff Crown does bring a lot to the table on a financial side etc, but it's clear he doesn't live in the same world as a lot of fans. I don't think he can relate to the fans much.

On a fan consultation note I do have questions on the 'no new ST's sold for next year', and I hope that isn't final! I suspect that will be an issue that will have to be discussed with the club if it does go ahead. (Surely there would at least be dropouts from March 2020, when they were last sold, until now...or are the club just hoping to have fewer ST's overall so they can sell more individual match tickets).
 

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Same with transferring TAPs to family members. Not permitted but there was CC stating that you could.
People on the phones in the ticket office have stated that too btw
 

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The away fans allocation is the smallest in the league and being a new ground all away supporters will want to tick it off this season. Maybe increase the away allocation and hope that next season the away support won't make such efforts to get in the ground although I suspect it may always be a problem with the likes of Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea.
Probably wont have much of an impact as a high percentage of clubs give away tickets to corporate away fans. Have you noticed how its always the lower tier that makes the most atmosphere.
 

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I quite liked the set up at St Mary's (from a home fan perspective) - rowdy and loud fans either side of the away fans. Created a really loud and hostile atmosphere. I wonder if we could put away fans somewhere closer to our louder fans next season...
 

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It's always the way...they do what they want, unless there's enough push back to force them to change their minds.

Cliff Crown does bring a lot to the table on a financial side etc, but it's clear he doesn't live in the same world as a lot of fans. I don't think he can relate to the fans much.

On a fan consultation note I do have questions on the 'no new ST's sold for next year', and I hope that isn't final! I suspect that will be an issue that will have to be discussed with the club if it does go ahead. (Surely there would at least be dropouts from March 2020, when they were last sold, until now...or are the club just hoping to have fewer ST's overall so they can sell more individual match tickets).
Nail on the head judging by what I was told last night.
"we put a hold on any more sales as we were keen to offer as many fans as possible the chance to come to games so we needed to have a good number of match by match tickets for sale to Members" "We are expecting a high percentage of season ticket renewals for next season so if there are any season tickets on sale, the number will be quite low"

So although loyal enough to be guaranteed a seat (& pretty much the same seat) for every high interest home game, apparently can't get a ST as want to offer as many fans as possible the chance?
Make of it what you will, but if people above x taps are guaranteed seats, the only reason you can't just let them have a ST is because they'd rather charge the day ticket price.
 

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....BIAS is a pressure group....really?
BIAS are a very strong campaigning group and have achieved a lot through dialog with the club.

Sometimes you do need to apply pressure to get your message across, especially if you earn a degree of trust and respect.

Having said that BIAS are also amazing at applying pressure when all else fails (No to Woking, ABeeC campaign, Lionel Road planning application).

Admiteldy imho BIAS should/ could and must do more to publicise their activity... As the website does not reflect thier efforts

Its free to join and the more members, the louder its voice.
 

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I quite liked the set up at St Mary's (from a home fan perspective) - rowdy and loud fans either side of the away fans. Created a really loud and hostile atmosphere. I wonder if we could put away fans somewhere closer to our louder fans next season...
Issue is you don't wanna put them in the corners near West. People have grown attached to those seats with their season tickets this season, I'd imagine, and you're gonna end up annoying a different set of home fans instead. Plus it'd be harder to separate home and away fans as they come into the ground as they like to do, while the current corner is much easier split off.

The only way you're going to recreate it is by convincing a chunk of the West Stand to move to either side of the away fans, which I doubt many would be interested in.
 

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Nail on the head judging by what I was told last night.
"we put a hold on any more sales as we were keen to offer as many fans as possible the chance to come to games so we needed to have a good number of match by match tickets for sale to Members" "We are expecting a high percentage of season ticket renewals for next season so if there are any season tickets on sale, the number will be quite low"

So although loyal enough to be guaranteed a seat (& pretty much the same seat) for every high interest home game, apparently can't get a ST as want to offer as many fans as possible the chance?
Make of it what you will, but if people above x taps are guaranteed seats, the only reason you can't just let them have a ST is because they'd rather charge the day ticket price.

Yes that rings true unfortunately! There is no benefit of me/others not being able to buy a season ticket in terms of it widening the fanbase, as I am taking up a place every game regardless! So there's no reason for me not to be a season ticket holder. However I will be paying the club an extra couple of hundred pounds doing so as a Member...

I get there's a balance, and wasn't expecting loads to go on sale. But a blanket 'no new ST's next year' seems pretty arbitrary and harsh on those it will cost a lot more to attend as a result. Hopefully at least some are made available.
 

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Issue is you don't wanna put them in the corners near West. People have grown attached to those seats with their season tickets this season, I'd imagine, and you're gonna end up annoying a different set of home fans instead. Plus it'd be harder to separate home and away fans as they come into the ground as they like to do, while the current corner is much easier split off.

The only way you're going to recreate it is by convincing a chunk of the West Stand to move to either side of the away fans, which I doubt many would be interested in.
If you sold Season Tickets in the block adjacent to the away fans to 'established members' with TAPS then a few West Standers would probably move across, just to vet a Season Ticket. Maybe some of thier mates would move across.
 

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If you sold Season Tickets in the block adjacent to the away fans to 'established members' with TAPS then a few West Standers would probably move across, just to vet a Season Ticket. Maybe some of thier mates would move across.
Looking for volunteers for the Eastern Front...
 

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BIAS are a very strong campaigning group and have achieved a lot through dialog with the club.

Sometimes you do need to apply pressure to get your message across, especially if you earn a degree of trust and respect.

Having said that BIAS are also amazing at applying pressure when all else fails (No to Woking, ABeeC campaign, Lionel Road planning application).

Admiteldy imho BIAS should/ could and must do more to publicise their activity... As the website does not reflect thier efforts

Its free to join and the more members, the louder its voice.
....fair enough....just don't believe they can influence BFCs profiteering plan.
 

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If you sold Season Tickets in the block adjacent to the away fans to 'established members' with TAPS then a few West Standers would probably move across, just to vet a Season Ticket. Maybe some of thier mates would move across.
Fair, you're right. You'd probably draw a few across who'd rather sit than stand as well (or maybe just want to move after this season for whatever reason.)

Hopefully the club will be allowing seat changes for people currently in the East Stand. I was told before the start of this season it was a flat no-go for the whole season (I'm West, but I'd asked in case my seat was horrendous, which thankfully it wasn't.) Unsure if that continues to be their position for the remainder of the season though, I didn't ask again.
 

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....fair enough....just don't believe they can influence BFCs profiteering plan.
We can and will. We also need you on board. Around 1,300 have already. If we can get 4,000 they will find it absolutely impossible to ignore us. You can give BIAS that mandate.

 

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We can and will. We also need you on board. Around 1,300 have already. If we can get 4,000 they will find it absolutely impossible to ignore us. You can give BIAS that mandate.

....fair do's...count me and my son in...we'll sign up....it's his and those of his ilks legacy that really matters..the club must hear this....cheers.
 
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I think the acid test will be season ticket prices for next season. They’re very reasonable this season obviously down to covid, carrying forward season tickets etc etc …. If they rise by 30% (more in line with other London clubs) it will be obvious that they don’t have the long-standing fans interests at heart.
but we get to save £50 not buying a new home shirt ;) football should be more affordable ;)
 

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Top man. We need everyone on the GPG signed up. There are battles ahead.
....so you and others on here know....it pains me to criticise my club....but this short term plan of cashing in is punishing some... especially our young supporters....BFC will lose them.
 

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Sorry I have never left a game more fuming as tonight. I don't care about the result - we didn't deserve to lose and should and would have won if we had taken our chances in the first half.

What is unforgivable is some (actually quite a number) ****s in the East Stand taking our their phones and filming when they scored their second goal. I lost it and told them where to go.

The ticketing policy is all f***ed up when the East Stand tonight was full of tourists and United fans. This is supposed to be the home end and I don't like retards in front of me celebrating and filming when United scored. Not so much the first goal but the second goal. If I offended anyone around me by my language I will not apologise.

Let's sell Brentford home tickets to Brentford fans. No free for all and ensure each home game has a min number of taps.
What nonsense all this is. If you couldn't get a Bees ticket for an away and got the chance of one in the home sections who wouldn't take it?
 

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Top man. We need everyone on the GPG signed up. There are battles ahead.

I‘m in. Not sure why I wasn’t before…. But having just seen about CC saying there’s no new ST’s next season, I’m a bit cross… especially on behalf of my eldest son who was desperate to get one.
 

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Wow, this one has grown since last night! I think that so much depends on the behaviour of the people in the seats. As an example, I am unable to go to the Wolves game on Saturday, but a good pal of mine is a Wolves fan, so i have upgraded my ST via the club (I am 'senior', he is visibly not), and he will go in my place. He is a sensible bloke, knows the drill, will applaud politely when we score, and should the unthinkable happen and Wolves get one, he will sit on his hands and look suitably dejected.

The problem seems to be that the away fans in home seats behave like d*ckheads. Certainly, something needs to be done about tickets just being randomly pushed out to all and sundry.
 

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....fair enough....just don't believe they can influence BFCs profiteering plan.
“Profiteering” or increasing our income to a level where we have a sporting chance of competing with the 19 other clubs in the league who have significantly larger income streams than we do?
 

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What nonsense all this is. If you couldn't get a Bees ticket for an away and got the chance of one in the home sections who wouldn't take it?
....were you at Southampton in the FA Cup all those years ago...it was carnage in the home ends....and if you think West ham and Leeds will sit on their hands later this season....have another think eh.
 

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Wow, this one has grown since last night! I think that so much depends on the behaviour of the people in the seats. As an example, I am unable to go to the Wolves game on Saturday, but a good pal of mine is a Wolves fan, so i have upgraded my ST via the club (I am 'senior', he is visibly not), and he will go in my place. He is a sensible bloke, knows the drill, will applaud politely when we score, and should the unthinkable happen and Wolves get one, he will sit on his hands and look suitably dejected.

The problem seems to be that the away fans in home seats behave like d*ckheads. Certainly, something needs to be done about tickets just being randomly pushed out to all and sundry.
They behave like dickheads because we are Brentford and they are who they are.
They could not give a toss about our club or respect us as fans.

I hope your mate enjoys Saturday.
I also hope he applauds politely more than a few times too.
 

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“Profiteering” or increasing our income to a level where we have a sporting chance of competing with the 19 other clubs in the league who have significantly larger income streams than we do?
...I know how business works...it values custom...it doesn't abuse it.
 

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I can see and have seen how it can cause but if a well behaved opposition fan can only get a ticket in a home section I don't believe it's a big problem. When away tickets are limited what choice do you have. My mates son got West Ham tickets for the away game and had a great time just had to smirk rather than go mental when we got the winner
 

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